Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

by **sunny** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:05 am

Reporter: Could you describe what happened to JonBenet? Karr: That would take several hours. Reporter: Could you be brief? Karr: There is no way I could be brief.

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:13 am

"....When asked how he could travel for so many years in Asia, and whether he was independently wealthy, Hurst responded, "We're asking the same questions..." It still seems too much for coincidence that the $118,000 ransom that the man ordered was the same amount that Mr. Ramsey had made in a bonus, I think it was. An odd amount to ask for, not a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand, but 118,000. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/17/06 8:17 am

by **Asta** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:13 am

I just listened to the "suspect" talk about writing letters to Patsy Ramsey in the months before her death. So....when John Ramsey said he didn't know John Karr, wasn't aware of him, didn't think he'd ever heard of him, well, wouldn't you think Patsy would've told her husband about Karr's letters? (There are too many Johns in this story. I am confusing myself.) Karr also said it would take many hours to discuss what happened on that night. Many hours? And he wasn't willing to give an abridged description to the reporter. Sex game gone awry -- I have to agree with that analysis of Wecht's.

by **sunny** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:18 am

From the article provided by Dreamsend: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>..file of police interviews passed to him at a Boulder press conference. Fortunately, its origin is no longer a mystery. Calhoun has, since obtaining the file, found out that the documents were supplied by a researcher at the University of Denver. The University, says Calhoun, threatened to fire the tenured faculty member if he continued with his investigation of the Ramsey case, and the file was passed along to reporters in Boulder.<hr></blockquote> From <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14379566/" target="top">MSNBC.com</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Colorado professor tipped off police A law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials. A University of Colorado spokesman, Barrie Hartman, said journalism professor Michael Tracey communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police. The university spokesman said he didn’t know what prompted Tracey to become suspicious of Karr. Tracey produced a documentary in 2004 called “Who Killed JonBenet?” A woman who answered the phone at a number under his name said he didn’t live there anymore; his office phone mailbox was full.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>She said Karr, who had traveled extensively across the world, may also be connected to a prior case in Santa Rosa County, Calif. She did not provide further details. Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the child pornography charges and arrest warrant against a John Mark Karr, though she cautioned that she didn’t know if he was the same person held Bangkok. State records show Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.<hr></blockquote> on edit: sorry, didn't catch the difference between U of Denver and U of Colorado on first reading. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 8/17/06 8:21 am

by **sunny** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:25 am

<a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=4468925">abclocal.go.com/kgo/story...id=4468925</a> Can someone take a screenshot of the above page? I don't know how. Seems references to Karr's Alabama alibi are disappearing from news stories- I'd like to have proof they existed. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Laura Karr also tells us she's devastated and embarrassed by these murder charges, but she does not believe that her husband did it. She says that during Christmas season of 1996 when JonBenet Ramsey was strangled and beaten to death in Colorado, they were living in Alabama at the time and she was with him the entire Christmas season.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In April of 2001, Karr was arrested at a school in Napa on five counts of possessing child pornography. He did serve some time in jail, but was released on his own recognizance in October and later failed to show up in court. He is wanted in Sonoma County and a warrant is still out for his arrest for failure to appear on those charges.<hr></blockquote> Seems they could have arrested him in 2001. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 8/17/06 8:29 am

by **Asta** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:34 am

"John Mark Karr, 41, will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told a news conference in Bangkok." <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=2323458">abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCe...id=2323458</a>

by **sunny** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:40 am

I heard Ann Hurst, as well. She first said he would be extradited to California before correcting herself.

by **Asta** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:49 am

John Ramsey state that he didn't know who Karr was? That sound bite has been played many times this morning. Then I find this: "The attorney said the Ramseys learned about the suspect a least a month before Patsy Ramsey's death on June 24 after a battle with ovarian cancer. "It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," Wood said. Karr was a teacher who once lived in Conyers, Ga., according to Wood. The attorney said the Ramseys gave police information about Karr before he was identified as a suspect in their daughter's slaying. " <a href="http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2006/08/16/ap2955009.html">www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2...55009.html</a> Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but I've always thought there was some kind of disconnect when it came to Mr. Ramsey. Why would he state he is not familiar with Karr's name, yet information is coming out to the contrary? What is the point? Methinks this story is gonna get really weird.

by **sunny** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:05 am

Reporter: How did you get her into the basement? Karr: No comment on that. He's confessing to the crime. Why can't he just say he broke into the house, and tell us how he got her to the basement? Could he have been let into the house by it's occupants? Is someone threatening his family? His best bet for their safety would be to come entirely, and publicly, clean. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 8/17/06 9:06 am

by **Asta** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:21 am

and this time, when you read it, think Sex Game. It gave me cold chills. <a href="http://www.trialrun.com/id4u/pop-ups/ramsey_note-all.html">www.trialrun.com/id4u/pop...e-all.html</a> It never occurred to me before that the note could be part of a game, a prop. But now it seems so obvious. The "no comment" comments of Karr's are most interesting. He's confessed to everything else, why stop now? How long do you think Karr has left to live? I don't think he'll make it back to the states.

by **Gouda** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:23 am

another link to ex-wife's confirmation of the alibi: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/jonbenet_ramsey_57">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060..._ramsey_57</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe her former husband was involved in the homicide. She said her ex-husband spent a lot of time studying the cases of Ramsey and Polly Klaas, who was abducted from her Petaluma, Calif., home and slain in 1993. Karr on Thursday refused to say what his connection was to the Ramsey family. An attorney for the Ramsey family said Wednesday that Karr once lived near the family in Conyers, Ga.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it." He told the AP he made "several efforts to communicate with Patricia before she passed away," referring to JonBenet's mother, who died in June, "and it is my understanding that she did read my letters."<hr></blockquote>

by **sunny** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:33 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>How long do you think Karr has left to live? I don't think he'll make it back to the states.<hr></blockquote> As I said, if he'll come clean, he has a much better chance. CNN anchor made a good point. (paraphrasing) "He did not say he killed her, he said he was there when she died."

by **professorpan** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:41 am

Going way out on a limb here. . . . I get the impression that this guy is fascinated by the JonBenet and Polly Klaas cases, and has immersed himself in them for years. He's probably a pedophile with violent tendencies. He may be guilty of the other crimes he's being investigated for. Here's what I think is possible: He gets himself involved with the investigators in Boulder via email. He sends them his ideas about the case. The cops sense that there is something wrong with the guy, so they start baiting him. He finds himself getting more and more engrossed, maybe fantasizing about being infamous, swarmed with reporters and flashing cameras and becoming an icon -- a la Bundy, Speck, or Manson. Which is why his wife and brother are astounded by the unfolding events. That's one possibility. The other has already been suggested -- that he's a patsy (pun intended). If he agreed to take the fall to cover up for a wider pedophile ring, he was likely promised a second-degree conviction by his handlers: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/index.html">www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/1...index.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>. . . the suspect asked police what charges he was facing. When they replied first-degree murder, he said: "No, it's second-degree -- it wasn't intentional."<hr></blockquote> Then, of course, it's possible that he is the real killer, and the Ramseys are innocent, and there is no wider crime. Possible, yes, but the way it's unfolding makes me very suspicious.

by **Dreams End** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:41 am

SO far, I saw him admit to being present when she died. Did he ever admit to killing her? Kinda different. He's not long for this world. I hope he lets some stuff slip out. My first assumption is that another writer, forgotten his name, who assumed that they "lent" jonBenet out at times might be correct. She was killed accidentally and then returned. He thought that meant only one parent would have to have knowledge of this but I doubt it. Bet her brother knows more than he's ever said but he may not "know what he knows."

by **professorpan** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:47 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>CNN anchor made a good point. (paraphrasing) "He did not say he killed her, he said he was there when she died."<hr></blockquote> True. Maybe that's why John Ramsey is being so cagey. He knows this guy could spill some major secrets. "It was a party. JonBenet was our toy." And to all those suggesting he might not make it alive -- watch the video on CNN's site. It's eerily similar to the footage of Oswald before he got popped.

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