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Re: Jenz

Postby slimmouse » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:41 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That is why I propose making the state of being a pedophile into a crime. We can and should sterilize both male and female members of this population as well.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> My quick rant on Pedophilia.<br><br> Anyone who has read Dave Mcgowans excellent series on Pedophilia, would realise quicker than you can spit, that all of this activity is encouraged, endorsed etc by those who rule us.<br><br> One only needs to go even half deep into the Mcmartin daycare scandal, and any of a thousand other such abominations to understand this.<br><br> And if final proof were needed, a guy can pick up any number of internet viruses, or detection mechanisms from your avge porn site, or being part of some kind of political activism which opposes the satanic murdering thugs we call our govnt.<br><br> "They" could blow this whole thing out of the water already, if "they" truly wished too.<br><br> Its fucking pathetic. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby jenz » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:11 am

No. its criminal acts which should be punished. predisposition to crime, should it ever be that its possible to predict this with any accuracy, should never be a crime. there is free will. those who commit these crimes against children - well I'm with St Matthew really, only we prob. don't have enough millstones. My Nevada scenario was intended as a jokey call their bluff idea - don't take this as a serious suggestion, we have to deal with the criminals we have here and now. and given the facility to monitor electronic communications which the security services in the USA have, there is no excuse. bang on about that at every opportunity. <p></p><i></i>
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Again, my sense,

Postby proldic » Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:20 am

which could very well be wrong, says that ARV is being sarcastic and trying to make a point here.<br><br>Or am I giving them too much credit?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Again, my sense,

Postby Dreams End » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:24 am

If it is possible to genetically determine wants, desires, attitudes and emotions, then we are nothing but machines...and this depresses me. I choose not tot think this is true...for my own sanity if nothing else. Therefore, tongue in cheek or not, programs to weed out "pedophiles" by genetic means are not feasible.<br><br>Like the drug war, the establishment has its own uses for the "war" on child sexual abuse. For example, the CIA et al have lots of dirty pictures of various politicians and businessmen. Video, I'm sure, with the young victim saying clearly into the camera: "No, for the last time, I'm only 14." Cut, print and write up whatever bill you need passed, for you now own a Congressman. I think that Franklin S and L exposed a bit of the network that does that sort of thing.<br><br>Also, who can object to registering "sex offenders" or biometric tracking? Naturally, they are simply tuning up these techniques on those society rather unanimously condemns (publicly anyway) but I'm sure those techniques will be utilized on others in the coming days. Great way to keep track of "terrorists." <br><br>This is completely independent of the current discussion about the "morality" of pedophilia, just an observation about how it works in society as a method of control .<br><br>In addition, a man trying to lure a young boy to his house for sexual purposes...that's bad. However, a network of child sex slaves....that is a whole other kettle of fish. The Finders, Boys Town, Larry King, the kidnappers of Johnny Gosch, traffickers in foreign children (so much easier to keep "off the books" don't you know). I still haven't seen much to prove there is an actual project Monarch which "programs" kids to be sex workers, but I'm not sure you need such "programming" for this network to operate. If you start them young enough, the combination of fear and survival instincts will do the rest. (I think of the Franklin Cover-up kids...they seem to be in touch with each other and to tell others what's going on, though only privately. This suggest they work consciously, though I think Noreen Gosch said that her contacts feel they have been programmed for something later. ). <br><br>That there is such a network is clear, though how extensive it is, I don't know. That's why the Finders case was one of those, as I looked into it myself, that really opened my eyes. Despite the fact that they went into the memory hole later, the Customs Agents saw memos about "procuring" children internationally, as well as a lot of photos which I simply took to be material for "catalogues" of the type Noreen Gosch said she was shown in Congressional hearings. <br><br>As for "elite" backing of pedophilia in movies and such. It's hard to know. We are not being honest if we suggest that young people, even fairly young children, do not have sexual feelings and experiences. I can recall sexual fantasies at age 4 and "playing doctor" by age 6 or 7. And be clear, playing doctor was a sexual experience, and I think a very natural and common one. <br><br>So, how do we acknowledge the sexuality of children, give them messages that keep them from being ashamed of their bodies and sexual feelings while at the same time keeping them safe from predators and even their own bad decisions? Well, NOT talking about sex is certainly not the way. My mom told me that she never got the "talk" from her parents and the first time she French kissed a guy, thought she could get pregnant. That's not dangerous, but the reverse is: "You won't get pregnant if....(insert myth here...my favorite is "drink Mountain Dew.") <br><br>So childhood sexuality is real. Childhood sexual abuse is real. Are we suggesting, despite these things, that our art forms should be "banned" from tackling these subjects? (I haven't seen the films listed in another thread, so I can't comment on those.) <br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Good points being made

Postby RollickHooper » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:59 am

My first thought too was that ARV was doing a Jonathan Swift, Modest Proposal kind of thing.<br>I don't think there is a pedophilia gene, but sexual abuse can be self-perpetuating, abused children growing up to become abusive adults--psychologists use the term "generativity" when discussing the phenomenon of personality traits and behaviors that get passed on from one generation to the next, that are NOT necessarily genetic.<br>I think a lot of behavior issues get mired in the nature vs nurture debate because somehow if you're born that way it can't be helped but if it's imprinted in early stages of development it can be modified. Early childhood trauma is most certainly hard-wired into the brain and Personality is extremely resistant to change.<br>That contributes nothing to this discussion, but I felt it needed to be said. <p></p><i></i>
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On the other hand

Postby RollickHooper » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:16 pm

If anyone in government suggests, for instance, a national DNA database for the express purpose of identifying those with a "genetic predisposition" to pedophilia, no, that would be way wrong. <p></p><i></i>
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genes

Postby jenz » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:12 pm

there is some liklihood that shizophrenia has a genetic predisposition. if so, it goes along with a predisposition to artistic qualities and resistance to some forms of cancer. treating people like GM crops is bad idea, of itself, as well as being diversion from the problem. <p></p><i></i>
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re: genes

Postby ARV » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:35 pm

It is already known that people's sexual preferences are a genetic and biological condition. I am not suggesting genetically modifying pedophiles, I am suggesting genetically eliminating them through isolating them from the community from the time of their birth. Within a few years, everyone may be genetically profiled. <br><br>How is it a diversion from the problem? We can prevent their attacks before they happen. They will never be a normal human being so why not prevent more from being made? <p></p><i></i>
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Thanks

Postby proldic » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:37 pm

for the clarification ARV <p></p><i></i>
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ow ow ow

Postby RollickHooper » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:42 pm

Hot coffee out my nose <p></p><i></i>
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sex or power?

Postby Sokolova » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:54 pm

I'm not sure pedophilia is about sex per se. I think - like rape - it is probably about power. <br><br>I think pedophiles would tend to be people (okay usually men) who feel intimidated by adult partners and seek out children as non-threatening alternatives, to provide an arena for acting out ideas of social dominance and power they can't ever do in the adult world.<br><br>Portraying them as motivated by lust or simple sexual desire is maybe to make them more monolithic - and less pitiful - than they really are?<br><br>Nabokov must probably take some responsibility for this. Humbert is in many ways a quite unrealistic example. Most pedes I have encountered (I spent a while sitting in on in on a counselling program a few years ago), shrink from powerful adult people, are infantilised in some way, display obvious inadequacies and a very childish level of sexual response. Hence the preponderance of them in government I guess!<br><br>Ellie<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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hey guys...this could be nothing...but

Postby nashvillebrook » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:10 pm

today i checked the stats on my site and there were lots of searches on child porn...so i clicked thru and they were hitting this:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://johnsoncity.blogspot.com/2005/07/i-saw-fucking-kid.html">johnsoncity.blogspot.com/...g-kid.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>which is the testimony from abu ghraib.<br><br>my thought: maybe what we are talking about here is a preemptive strike to distract discussion of this toward the sensational instead of looking at the way our military-mercenary forces as committing war crimes. <br><br>aren't there supposed to be more testimony coming out. rawstory had this last nite. <p></p><i></i>
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Nice one,

Postby Peachtree Pam » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:40 pm

Sokolova, I am still laughing.....<br><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nice one,

Postby Project Willow » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:17 pm

Does it really need to be stated that pedophilia is not genetically based? :rolleye<br><br>Anyway, this Chinese painter has captured the other theme of this thread (wish I could find his own web site).<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.lynnsart.net/images/zhigang2.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Tang Zhigang<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.xleditions.com/gallery/artists/zhigang_tang/page6.shtml">www.xleditions.com/gallery/artists/zhigang_tang/page6.shtml</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.artseoul.net/artnews/news02/e07worldcup_art.html">www.artseoul.net/artnews/news02/e07worldcup_art.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cinaoggi.it/upriverloft/pagineeng/artists/tangzhigangeng.htm">www.cinaoggi.it/upriverloft/pagineeng/artists/tangzhigangeng.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p>PW</p><i></i>
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Re: sex or power?

Postby elsiecow » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:54 am

<br>Sokolova is right about pedophilia, in my experience. <p></p><i></i>
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