Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

[chiggerbit]

Something to check out: When did the Ramseys live in Georgia? Only after the murder or before, also? The references to having lived in the same area are weird. JonBenet was only six when she died, and wouldn't have been more than three or four, would she, when she was started in the little miss pageants. So the timeframe of when the Ramseys lived in Georgia should fall in that period of her pageants, IF that's when he"fell in love with her". Gag. <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It's eerily similar to the footage of Oswald before he got popped.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Right down to the ever ubiquitous three-name patsy styled moniker. <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Something to check out: When did the Ramseys live in Georgia? Only after the murder or before, also?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Patsy grew up in Georgia, and I'm fairly certain (have to find the links) that she met and married John there, and they lived there for some time before moving to Boulder. Remember how John tried to arrange to fly to Atlanta the day of the murder? JonBenet is buried there.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>JonBenét Patricia Ramsey of Boulder died Thursday, Dec. 26, 1996, at home, the victim of a homicide. She was 6. She was born August. 6, 1990, in Atlanta, the daughter of John B. Ramsey and Patricia Paugh Ramsey. <br><br>She attended High Peaks Elementary School and was a member of St. John's Episcopal Church of Boulder. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>She moved from Atlanta to Boulder in 1991</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Survivors include her parents of Boulder; maternal grandparents, Don and Nedra Paugh of Atlanta; paternal step-grandparents, Richard and Irene Wills of Sun City, Fla.; two brothers, Burke Ramsey and John Andrew Ramsey, both of Boulder; and a sister, Melinda Ramsey of Atlanta. A sister, Beth Ramsey, died in 1992. <br><br>A funeral service will be held at 10 a.m. December 31, 1996 at the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta. Interment will follow in St. James Episcopal Cemetery in Marietta. <br>-- December 31, 1996 Obituary<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.karisable.com/jbr.htm">www.karisable.com/jbr.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 8/17/06 10:02 am<br></i>

[chiggerbit]

So we have the Ramseys in states of Georgia, Colorado, and Michigan. Not that it means anything, but what are the ritual abuse/mc hot spots? I seem to remember someone telling me Michigan was one of them. <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Couple more observations.<br><br>First, I don't think they lived in Georgia before this, but Patsy did...she was from there and her family still lived there. <br><br>Second, how did the Ramsey's know him in the first place? John didn't admit to knowing him but the police say they tipped him off about Karr.<br><br>Third, how did he get into their house? A lot of rich people have these new-fangled gizmos called "burglar alarms" and even if they don't, one would usually assume they do.<br><br>Fourth, the theory of the case would suggest he came in, got her, killed her or watched as she died, then came back a SECOND time and left the body there. She wasn't supposed to die...so what was the plan then? Kidnap her, play these sex games, then bring her back with garrote marks on her throat and assume she simply wouldn't talk? <br><br>Given how remote his connection is to them...he didn't live in the same state, he was allegedly in Alabama...why is this guy already confessing? <br><br>This theory can't withstand even the slightest scrutiny, so they will have to kill Mr. Karr (more likely, tell him that he needs to do himself in or people he loves will also be killed...whatever procedure it is they use to induce suicide). Or, some inmate will be induced to kill him as they've done with other such people. <br><br>I assume they will offer up a theory that somehow this guy followed pageants and fixated on her from afar...plotted and planned and then made his move. However, he must have known the Ramsey's, not just because of the fact that they tipped off the cops but also because of the ransom note, which asked for the exact amount John had just received as a bonus (what, YOU don't get 118,000 dollar bonuses? Peasants!)<br><br>In any event, all we need now is for a dogeared copy of "Catcher in the Rye" to make an appearance.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>First, I don't think they lived in Georgia before this, but Patsy did...she was from there and her family still lived there.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br>DE-<br><br>They did indeed live in Georgia. Go back up and read the obit of JonBenet I posted- she was born in Atlanta, and it say's they moved to Boulder from there in '91. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 8/17/06 10:32 am<br></i>

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WASHINGTON - John Mark Karr's correspondence with a professor who made documentaries on the JonBenet Ramsey case was key to his arrest in the decade-old slaying, a private investigator was quoted as saying.<br><br>Karr, 41, arrested Wednesday in Bangkok, began an exchange of hundreds of e-mails with University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey four years ago, revealing critical information about the 1996 killing of the 6-year-old beauty-pageant star, investigator Ollie Gray told the Rocky Mountain News.<br><br>'(The suspect) talked about being there, about doing this and doing that, and knowing this and knowing that,' Gray said. 'He had a whole bunch of things that didn't come out before. It wasn't part of what the media was allowed to get at before.'<br><br>Tracey produced three documentaries on the Boulder, Colorado, case and contended the girl's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, were unfairly viewed as suspects. He worked closely with Gray, who had been hired by the Ramsey family, alongside former Colorado Springs police detective Lou Smit.<br><br>Karr became interested in Tracey's documentary 'Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?' and started an e-mail correspondence with him, Gray said. He said Tracey eventually became disturbed by Karr's writings and was encouraged to continue corresponding with him.<br><br>Tracey declined to comment on his role in the Karr investigation but was quoted by the News as saying, 'I do believe he has the right to be presumed innocent. I got involved in this, for 10 years, because I believe that right was never extended to the Ramseys and that was wrong.'<br><br>Gray said he and his associates pressed the Boulder district attorney to look into Karr, but that authorities were reluctant until Gray was on the verge of going to Paris, where Karr was believed to have been, to confront Karr himself.<br><br>Prosecutors interviewed Tracey in June and 'then they got damn serious in a big hurry,' Gray said.<br><br>'Michael Tracey was instrumental in this investigation,' Susan Stine, a Ramsey family friend, told the Rocky Mountain News. 'He was instrumental in flushing this person (Karr) out in the sense of getting him to talk.' <p></p><i></i>

[Asta]

Boulder CO District Attorney is holding a press conference in about 6 minutes from now.<br><br>Could be interesting. Should we listen for inconsistencies? <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Second, how did the Ramsey's know him in the first place</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->? John didn't admit to knowing him but the police say they tipped him off about Karr.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>That's pretty much what I'm getting at. Karr says he fell in love with JonBenet. When specifically was that? How did he know about JonBenet at all? Unless the local Georgia papers covered a local kid "star" now living in Colorado. Hell, maybe that's what all these little miss pageants are all about--trolling these little girls in front of a bunch of pervert clients, for all I know. Anyway, somebody somewhere, maybe just the media, is throwing out the fact that the Karr lived in the same general neighborhood as the Ramseys, implying (?) that that's how he came to know of JonBenet, also explaining the Ramseys not knowing of him at that time. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Supposedly.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> And why would the ex-wife lie about Alabama, since she's so forthcoming now? <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Second, how did the Ramsey's know him in the first place?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Somebody is going to have to explain, eventually, how Karr knew the exact amount of Ramsey's bonus ($118,000.00) if he didn't know the family. <p></p><i></i>

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More on Michael Tracey, who seems to be the fisherman who reeled in Karr:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/11171999whitetoboardregents.htm">thewebsafe.tripod.com/111...egents.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>On November 17, 1999, Fleet and Priscilla White wrote a lengthy letter to the University of Colorado Board of Regents complaining that "that Mr. Tracey has (1) selfishly and irresponsibly used his position as a professional educator on the faculty of the University of Colorado to secure a commercially beneficial arrangement with the prime suspects in an ongoing murder investigation, (2) attempted to generate favorable public opinion for the Ramseys using biased, misleading and sensational television programs clumsily and unconvincingly disguised as academic work product, and (3) engaged in dishonest deceptive conduct in performing advocatory services for the Ramseys."<br><br>An excerpt from the letter:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It is now perfectly obvious to us that Mr. Tracey has (1) selfishly and irresponsibly used his position as a professional educator on the faculty of the University of Colorado to secure a commercially beneficial arrangement with the prime suspects in an ongoing murder investigation, (2) attempted to generate favorable public opinion for the Ramseys using biased, misleading and sensational television programs clumsily and unconvincingly disguised as academic work product, and (3) engaged in dishonest deceptive conduct in performing advocatory services for the Ramseys.<br><br>***<br><br>We doubt that Mr. Traceys conduct over the past nineteen months could possibly meet any reasonable standard for a professional educator or even a journalist. We believe that his actions have endangered the well being of the Boulder community and the rights of its citizens including our family. We also believe Mr. Tracey has used his commercial ventures in an attempt to influence and interfere with the official Investigation of JonBenet Ramseys murder and the recently completed grand jury investigation. His recent public statements give a clear message that he intends to continue these attempts even now when it appears that the State of Colorado has taken a greater interest in the investigation that is clearly focused on John and Patsy Ramsey.<br><br>We urge you to closely examine Mr. Traceys scholarly activities having to do with the Ramsey murder investigation and determine whether they are constant with the interests of the University, the Boulder community and the State of Colorado and its criminal justice system. We obviously feel that they are not. If you come to the same conclusion, we are hopeful that the University will take whatever steps necessary to prevent Mr. Traceys ongoing involvement in the Ramsey investigation including, if necessary, his dismissal. We would also recommend that the University make an unequivocal statement disclaiming any support or endorsement of Mr. Traceys television programs. Taking such measures would have nothing to do with limiting his academic freedom since Mr. Traceys involvement in the Ramsey investigation has nothing to do with academics. The University would simply be making it clear that it does not wish to be connected with the commercial exploitation of a childs murder. We request that you give consideration to this matter at your earliest opportunity. According to Mr. Traceys recent comments on television, the next broadcast of his program is December 18. <br><br>Please be assured that we will not remain silent in this matter. We have enormous incentive to prevent Mr. Tracey or anyone else from improperly influencing the investigation of JonBenets murder. We will certainly not tolerate people who unjustly impugn or defame our family.<br><br>We encourage you to call us if you have any questions or need any further information. We would welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter further with anyone that you wish. <br><br>We have enclosed videotape of Mr. Traceys most recent television program. <br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Fleet Russell White, Jr. And Priscilla Brown White<br><br>enclosed<br>10/28/99 A&E Investigative Reports<br>"The Case of Jon Benet"<br>"The Media vs. The Ramseys"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

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He was writing a book about the case to be released this month, which promised "access to a body of evidence no one else has seen."<br><br>The criticisms of his documentary and his work have been deleted from forumsforjustice.org (or else I just can't find them -- the titles of the posts appear in cached google searches, but not the posts themselves).<br><br>This little bit caught my eye:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thecampuspress.com/news/2006/04/jonbenet.php">www.thecampuspress.com/ne...nbenet.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Though he said he is eager to put the murder of JonBenet behind him, Tracey is currently focusing on the book and a possible ten-year anniversary special on Britain’s Independent Television (ITV). <br><br>“When [the crime] is solved it will be really strange. Really strange,” Tracey said.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Uh huh. Got that right. <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.konformist.com/jonbenet.htm" target="top">Konformist article</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> worth revisiting.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Yes, all this is irresponsible perhaps, but very illuminating. And perhaps as illuminating as an alleged claim in the Star that a large amount of kiddie porn had been downloaded on Access Graphics computers. The article also noted that AG did a lot of work in Amsterdam's red light district. Of course, in the tale of JonBenét, the tabloids have been the lone korporate media sources to proclaim shamelessly that the Ramseys are indeed the culprits. However, this report in particular is a blockbuster, as it hints at JonBenét being only part of a pattern. While the Star seemed to point the finger solely at Mr. Ramsey, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the fact remains Access Graphics is part of Lockheed Martin, and thus any child pornography on their computers indicates a major scandal.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1997/09/04-1.html">www.thedailycamera.com/ex.../04-1.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> The BoulderNews Ramsey Archive <br> Articles from the Daily Camera <br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Text of the ransom note<br>Associated Press<br>Thursday, September 4, 1997 <br><br>Text of the ransom note in the JonBenet Ramsey case, published by Vanity Fair magazine: <br><br>"Mr. Ramsey: <br><br>Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your business but not the country that it serves. At this time we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed, and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter. <br><br>You will withdraw $118,000 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. <br><br>The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter. <br><br>Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them. <br><br>Speaking to anyone about your situation such as police or F.B.I. will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in anyway marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she dies. <br><br>You can try to deceive us, but be warned we are familiar with law enforcement counter-measures and tactics. You stand a 99 percent chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100 percent chance of getting her back. <br><br>You and your family are under constant scrutiny, as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain, John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John. Use that good, southern common sense of yours. It's up to you now, John! Victory. S.B.T.C. <br> <br> <p></p><i></i>

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Possibly relevant -- it was alleged that Patsy Ramsey's bible was open to Psalms 118 according to this site:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/The%20Ransom%20Note">jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Seraph.net explains:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"The Lord is our God, Who has shown and given us light. Decorate the festival with leafy boughs and bind the sacrifices to be offered with thick cords to the horns of the altar."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Based on my experience, this second section of verse 27 has been used by several white supremacy groups such as the Christian Identity movement and the Aryan Nation to justify their killing of blacks, Jews and other minorities. In their non-orthodox view, the verse is speaking of offering a person as a sacrifice to God and God is accepting their sacrifice on his altar as atonement. No conservative or liberal Christian theologians interpret the verse in this way.<br><br>We have consulted with several theologians about the verse and all have agreed that the verse is a metaphor concerning praise and redemption.<br><br>As a historical note, the Hebrews where required to offer a blood sacrifice to God to atone for their sins as a nation. A lamb or sheep would be placed on the altar and tied to the four extended horns of the altar with thick cords. The animal was then cut and bled until it was dead. The blood was then used in ceremony for the "washing away by the blood, the sins of the people".<br><br>White supremacists use the redemption and sacrifice ideas to form a justification for killing "animals" [minorities] and offering them to God.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>