Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

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Re: "hug her neck"

Postby Col Quisp » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:56 pm

Good catch, Avalon. It struck me as odd too, because I've never heard that expression. Your link seems to imply it's something heard in the South. Is Wood from the South? Or is he a native of Colorado? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "hug her neck"

Postby Dreams End » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:57 pm

While the play this is getting in the media is quite typical of media distractions, the truth behind this case is likely extremely important. I don't know that we'll ever know this truth, but the idea of a ring of pedophiles operating out of a Lockheed subcontractor...that to me seems rather relevant.<br><br>At least Jeff has something for his next post.<br><br>Wonder if this John Karr fellow ever spent time in Virginia...seems like he'd have fit in well with "the Finders."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Why is Homeland Security involved?

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:14 pm

What an incredibly creepy turn this story has taken in the last 10 hours.. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Re: "hug her neck"

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:22 pm

they said karr is from alabammy. and yes, in the south, that expression is not uncommon.<br><br>necks get "hugged," and by god, sometimes they get "wringed." <p></p><i></i>
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Re:DE's comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:26 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>the idea of a ring of pedophiles operating out of a Lockheed subcontractor...that to me seems rather relevant.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I totally agree and don't mean to trivialize the actual story.<br><br>But the timing of laying down this particular card in the media game of psychic poker using 'units of meaning' during wartime is highly suspect to me. "Why this now?"<br><br>Though bloodied, this is still the Magician's Other Hand.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:DE's comment

Postby Dreams End » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:58 pm

I can't think of a time recently when such a story wouldn't be a distraction. The media always focus on this sort of thing...and I agree with Hugh in a way. I don't know that "murder story a" is slotted to be released on "important date b" but I do agree that it is a deliberate choice by the media to focus on such stories to the exclusion of real news. As well as to keep us all scared.<br><br>I don't know when that CNN terrorism special will be on but would be worth watching if someone can stomach it...direct propaganda, no analysis needed.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The hand were not supposed to watch

Postby Unsigned70 » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:04 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But the timing of laying down this particular card in the media game of psychic poker using 'units of meaning' during wartime is highly suspect to me. "Why this now?"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>(CNN) -- A federal judge on Thursday ruled that the U.S. government's domestic eavesdropping program is unconstitutional and ordered it ended immediately.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/17/domesticspying.lawsuit/index.html" target="top">www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/17/domesticspying.lawsuit/index.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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more and more like a hoax

Postby professorpan » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:16 pm

Looks more and more like a hoax by a deluded, JonBenet obsessed pedophile:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4192717?source=rss">www.denverpost.com/ci_4192717?source=rss</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Shocked dad had thought son was dead<br>By Kirk Mitchell <br>Denver Post Staff Writer<br><br>John Mark Karr's arrest in Thailand after he had vanished for several years was a mixed blessing for his 85-year-old father.<br><br>"I thought someone had killed him," Wexford Karr said Wednesday afternoon while sobbing during a telephone interview from his home in Atlanta. "This is such a surprise that he is alive."<br><br>But learning his son was alive came with the news that his son, who is 41, was arrested in the Dec. 26, 1996, slaying of JonBenét Ramsey, he said.<br><br>John Karr had disappeared after his release from jail in 2001. Karr, who relatives said had long spoken of a fascination with the Ramsey case, told his father at the time that he was being held for investigation of murdering the girl.<br><br>In truth, John Karr was being held while awaiting trial for five counts of child pornography, said Sgt. Rob Giordano, spokesman for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department. When he finally was released on bond, he disappeared and was convicted in absentia.<br><br>Wexford Karr had never heard that his son had been arrested on any previous criminal charges. But a Colorado state official said John Karr has an extensive criminal record for sexual assaults across the South, including Tennessee.<br><br>John Karr's father said his son didn't go to college as a youth because he didn't have enough money to send him. John and his wife, Lara, had three sons in three years, his father said. The oldest boy is about 14, he said.<br><br>It wasn't until all three children were born that John Karr went to college, majoring in education. He graduated with honors, Wexford Karr said.<br><br>"He is just an exemplary son," he said.<br><br>His son's troubles can be traced back to a decision while he was still in college to write a school paper about the JonBenét Ramsey case several years ago, Wexford Karr said.<br><br>John Karr's college professor was so impressed with the paper that he encouraged him to write a book about JonBenét's case, his father said.<br><br>"He researched everything he could about her," Wexford Karr said.<br><br>John Karr spoke with JonBenét's grandparents, but her parents refused to speak with him, Wexford Karr said. John Ramsey told 9News on Wednesday that he does not believe the family knew Karr.<br><br>When Wexford Karr asked his son about what he uncovered for his book, John was quiet.<br><br>"He wouldn't talk about it," he said.<br><br>The research continued when John Karr moved his family to Petaluma, Calif., and he told his father he had taken a job at a Catholic girls school in San Francisco.<br><br>While teaching at the school, John joined the Catholic Church, his father said.<br><br>Karr applied with a school district in Sonoma County, Calif., to be a substitute teacher in their K-12 system and received a state teaching permit in January 2001, said Superintendent Carl Wong.<br><br>In April 2001, the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department alerted school officials that John Karr had been arrested on a "non-school-related incident," Wong said.<br><br>"Based on the serious nature of that, we issued a notice of personnel action in June 2001, and he was never again employed in any capacity in the K-12 public school system," he said.<br><br>Asked whether students, teachers or parents ever had a complaints about Karr, Wong said, "None whatsoever."<br><br>After John Karr's arrest, Lara Karr filed for divorce.<br><br>"She said the name Karr has destroyed her life," Wexford Karr said.<br><br>The divorce prohibited John Karr from seeing his three sons.<br><br>"He loved those boys," Wexford Karr said. "They meant everything to him."<br><br>He said his son never lived in Colorado and had nothing to do with the crime.<br><br>"We are taking no stock in it because it's not his nature," Wexford Karr said. "This JonBenét Ramsey has destroyed my life as an old man. I thought my son was dead. I couldn't take it." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re:DE's comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:16 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> I can't think of a time recently when such a story wouldn't be a distraction.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It is a sure-fire head-turner for lots of Americans. Just wait for the supermarket check-out chute tabloids where Jennifor Aniston lives permanently.<br><br>Seems that when there is mass slaughter as government policy which is very hard for most to see and cope with without being outraged or at very least being made sympathetic to war's victims instead we are given one single death that is easily comprehended and digested.<br><br>Because the biggest danger to Power is called 'social awareness and connectedness' which might accidentally lead to something called 'accountability.'<br><br>I'd even venture to hypothesize that women are more sensitive to the loss of life in war and are thrown distractions like Lacey Peterson and Jon Benet Ramsey in an effort to distract them from Fallujah and Lebanon.<br><br>Anyone who's owned a bar with Lady's Night cheap drinks knows that women can be used to indirectly influence men who are the real drink-buyers.<br><br>Re: One death affecting us more than many.<br>If you saw the documentary about former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara called 'The Fog of War,' you'll remember that he discussed his part in the bombing of hundreds of thousands of people effortlessly but broke down in tears when remembering the death of one friend, JFK.<br><br>Enough conjecture from my armchair. I've got a library with rare history books to visit...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby professorpan » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:21 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm">www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, the JonBenet Ramsey murder case occurred 10 years ago. Did your brother live in Alabama up until four years ago? Is that what you said?<br><br>KARR: Yes. Yes. To the best of my knowledge, he did reside in Alabama up until four or five years ago, when he moved to California, yes. He actually lived in a family home that we owned there that had belonged to our grandparents. And we had constant, you know, communication with him. They would come to our house in Atlanta for Thanksgiving and Christmas. And that's one of the points of contention maybe we talk about -- and maybe we talk to you tomorrow night -- is there's a possibility that we believe he could have been even here in Atlanta with us when this horrible tragedy occurred to little JonBenet Ramsey. And we don't know that for sure. We have to check our photo album and get the dates right.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But you know, there's so many things that are going on that -- maybe we can talk to you more in depth tomorrow about why we think he is implicated in this. And it's -- to us, it's -- it's believable that they would implicate him because of some things that he was researching. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>VAN SUSTEREN: All right...<br><br>KARR: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>And maybe he got his nose in where he shouldn't have gotten in it or whatever. But we can talk more about that tomorrow if we could get a chance to talk to you.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Neoteny

Postby Avalon » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:26 pm

Lin Wood's college education was in Georgia, and he seems to have stayed there.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pogolaw.com/people-attorneys-profile-1008.html">www.pogolaw.com/people-at...-1008.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I was just watching some of the news clips about the media mobbing Karr. He looks quite blank and dazed, though I suspect all of us would have when faced with such an onslaught of bright lights and noise and people wanting a piece of him.<br><br>What struck me the most was how he just didn't look like a grown man. At 41 he still has a baby face, huge eyes, and the hair on his bulbous hair looks like an infant's does when it has mostly fallen out a few months after birth. Not to mention the highwaisted pants he's wearing, giving that manly Urkel or Peewee Herman look. He's soft, and dweeby.<br><br>I know that appearances can be deceiving. But I think about the statistics of how many molesters were molested themselves as children, and he looks like a damaged kid himself on these clips, not an adult.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Psychic drawing -- creepy

Postby professorpan » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:37 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/12a.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/epilogue_12.html<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>To this day, John and Patsy Ramsey have lived up to their promise and continue to search for their daughter's killer. They have posted a composite sketch of a suspect compiled by the late psychic, Dorothy Allison, on their Internet site with the attached message:<br><br>"Have you seen this man? This man may have been in the Boulder area in December 1996. ... We firmly believe that this most horrible of killers will be caught based on information provided by people who care about right and wrong. ... Please help, so another innocent child will not be a victim and another family will not suffer unbearable grief."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/08/17/imagef9848ff2-3644-4f09-b90f-b01d8bdc708e.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The hand were not supposed to watch

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:42 pm

!!!<br><br>Yoiks. There it is. The Other Hand. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Bush nailed by a court.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Just watch the pretty little dead girlie instead, TV Nation.<br>Thanks, Unsigned70. <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>(The ruling judge) further declared that the program "violates the separation of powers doctrine, the Administrative Procedures Act, the First and Fourth amendments to the United States Constitution, the FISA and Title III."<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>She went on to say that "the president of the United States ... has undisputedly violated the Fourth in failing to procure judicial orders."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Psychic drawing -- creepy

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:43 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>To this day, John and Patsy Ramsey have lived up to their promise and continue to search for their daughter's killer. They have posted a composite sketch of a suspect compiled by the late psychic, Dorothy Allison, on their Internet site with the attached message:<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Even easier for the drawing to be accurate when the artist has a photo to work with. Too bad Dead (wo)Men tell no tales.. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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well...

Postby Sarutama » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:47 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They have posted a composite sketch of a suspect compiled by the late psychic, Dorothy Allison, on their Internet site <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's just plain creepy. <p></p><i></i>
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