Is Catholic Church World's Largest Child Sex Ring?

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Is Catholic Church World's Largest Child Sex Ring?

Postby chiggerbit » Thu May 12, 2005 4:04 pm

I had to use Wayback to get this article. Look at how the Vatican lies. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040408035848/http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/bishopquinn020531.html">web.archive.org/web/20040...20531.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>clips<br><br>In a tape obtained by ABCNEWS, the auxiliary bishop of Cleveland, A. James Quinn, was recorded in 1990 telling a seminar of church leaders and lawyers to destroy any anonymous allegations when sex-abuse allegations arise. <br>"Personnel files should be carefully examined to determine their content. Unsigned letters alleging misconduct should be expunged," Quinn said on tape. <br><br>Quinn continued to suggest that officials should consider sending "dangerous" material to the apostolic delegation at the Vatican Embassy, before lawyers or law enforcement officials could formally subpoena the material. The Vatican has its own embassy in Washington, which enjoys the same diplomatic immunity granted the embassies of other countries, which could make it a safe place to hide damaging information. <br><br>"If you think it's going to be necessary, if there is something there that you really don't want reviewed, you might send it off to the apostolic delegation," said Quinn. "They have immunity. If it's dangerous, if it's something you consider dangerous you might send it off to them." <br><br>The Vatican Embassy declined to answer ABCNEWS' questions about Quinn's statement, but church officials have said the embassy and the Vatican were only recently made aware of the details of sexual abuse cases. .......<br><br><br><br>.........The former canon lawyer at the Vatican Embassy, Father Tom Doyle, says embassy officials have known for years — and passed on to Rome — details of the growing scandal. <br><br>"It's been known at the Vatican since at least 1985, and I'm certain of it," said Doyle. "I personally sent a report that was sent to the Vatican in spring of 1985 naming names." <br><br>Jason Berry, author of Lead Us Not Into Temptation: Catholic Priests and the Sexual Abuse of Children, said the tape shows an effort to bury any potentially damaging evidence.<br><br>"Bishop Quinn was basically saying if you have something that's incriminating, send it to the Vatican Embassy," said Berry. "They can hide it." <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Is Catholic Church World's Largest Child Sex Ring?

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:04 pm

Jesuschristonastick, the Catholic church gets it wrong again. Now the Catholic hierarchy is talking about certifying that seminary hopefuls are not gay. Don't they get it? Having sex with pre-pubescent boys is not the same as being gay. It is about being sexually attracted to a gender of a particular age group. If they were only gay, they could surely find an adult gay man with whom to have a romantic relationship. Furthermore, the issue is about the CHURCH's participation in continuing the conspiracy to enable the perversion, child sexual abuse. If we were to follow their logic to its natural conclusion, NO person who has had a sexual thought would be eligible to become a priest, because they might have sex at some time in the future. Arrrrgh!<br><br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word070805.htm">www.nationalcatholicrepor...070805.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Sources indicate that the long-awaited Vatican document on the admission of homosexuals to seminaries is now in the hands of Pope Benedict XVI. The document, which has been condensed from earlier versions, reasserts the response given by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments in 2002, in response to a dubium submitted by a bishop on whether a homosexual could be ordained: "A homosexual person, or one with a homosexual tendency, is not fit to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders." <br><br>That reply was published in the November-December 2002 issue of Notitiae, the official publication of the congregation. <br><br>It is up to Benedict XVI to decide whether to issue the new document as it stands, to send it back for revision, or to shelve it on the basis that for now such a document is "inopportune." <br><br>Several American bishops were in Rome last week for the June 29 pallium ceremony, and I spoke to some of them about the document. <br><br>Privately, some hope Benedict will decide to put the document in a desk drawer for the time being, on the grounds that it will generate controversy and negative press without changing anything in terms of existing discipline. <br><br>As one bishop put it to me, the policy against ordaining homosexuals is already clear -- the only interesting question is, what do you mean by a "homosexual"? At one end of the continuum, it could refer to anyone who once had a fleeting same-sex attraction; at another, it could be restricted to someone who is sexually active and openly part of a "gay pride" movement. Most people would exclude those extremes, but where is the line drawn in between? <br><br>Vatican sources have made clear the document will not enter into these details, and hence this bishop believes it's an unneeded headache. <br><br>Further, the bishop said, the document may make candidates less likely to be honest with formation directors about their psycho-sexual development, even though some degree of experimentation and ambivalence about orientation is not unusual, and by itself should not disqualify potential priests. <br><br>"The risk is that we drive the conversation underground," he said. <br><br>Others, however, hold that the document is needed for two reasons. <br><br>One, it will come with a higher level of authority than a response to a dubium published in the bulletin of a curial agency. This document will come with the clear authorization of the pope, perhaps in forma specifica, meaning that it draws on his personal authority. In that sense, the bishop said, it's like the relationship of John Paul's 1994 document Ordinatio sacerdotalis, on women priests, to the 1976 document Inter Insigniores from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the same subject. The teaching didn't change, but the level of authority and clarity did. <br><br>Two, the document will reject a solution that some seminaries, religious communities and bishops have tended to adopt in recent years -- that it doesn't matter if a candidate is gay, as long as he's capable of remaining celibate. <br><br>"I suspect some people, in good will, have gravitated to this idea," one bishop said. "But that's not what the church is saying, and this document will make that clear." <br><br>To date, there's been no indication of what the pope intends to do. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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