Citizen Spook Vindicated

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Citizen Spook Vindicated

Postby antiaristo » Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:28 pm

Citizen Spook,<br>I hope you still drop by Rigorous Intuition.<br>I'd like to express my admiration for what you have done.<br>You were one hundred percent correct. And you have influenced the course of history.<br><br>My favourite was when you nailed Wilson for comparing this case with Aldrich Ames. You got him.<br>Well done Sir!<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>October 06, 2005<br> <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:small;">The New York Times says "espionage"</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br>The news that Karl Rove is going back in front of the Plame grand jury seems to have shaken the inside-the-Beltway/mass-media conventional wisdom that, in the end, no one would be indicted for revealing Valerie Plame Wilson's CIA identity. <br><br>Or so reports David Johnston of the New York Times:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mr. Fitzgerald's conversations with lawyers in recent days have cast a cloud over the inquiry, sweeping away the confidence once expressed by a number of officials and their lawyers who have said that he was unlikely to find any illegality.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>(Note the no doubt unconsciously self-revealing phrasing; the confidence that the bad guys would get away with it is implied to be a sunny prospect, over which the threat of indictments is said to "cast a cloud." File it under "What liberal media?"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Having broken with the previous consensus as to the likelihood of indictments, Johnston then goes on to break what has seemed to be a taboo against mentioning what has long looked to me like the most plausible substantive charge. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It's buried deep in the 21st graf</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> (and it took the sharp eyes of the Blue Mass. Group to find it) but there it is:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Recently lawyers said that they believed the prosecutor may be applying <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>new legal theories</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> to bring charges in the case.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>One new approach appears to involve the possible use of Chapter 37 of the federal espionage and censorship law,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> which makes it a crime for anyone who "willfully communicates, delivers, transfers or causes to be communicated" to someone "not entitled to receive it" classified information relating the national defense matters.<br><br>Under this broad statute, a government official or a private citizen who passed classified information to anyone else in or outside the government could potentially be charged with a felony, if they transferred the information to someone without a security clearance to receive it.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Chapter 37 turns out to include our old friend 18 U.S.C. 793, the Espionage Act. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The media focus (until now) on the Intelligence Identities Protection Act</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, which, as has been pointed out ad nauseum, was deliberately written to be hard to violate, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>made the members of the White House Iraq Group seem much safer</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, in legal terms, than they were in fact. That, in turn, put Fitzgerald in a position where any indictment on a substantive charge (as opposed to perjury, false statements, or obstruction of justice) could be made to seem far-fetched, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>thus opening him to the treatment Ronnie Earle has been getting.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>So if you're rooting for the bad guys to get what they have coming to them, the Johnston story doesn't report good news: it is part of the good news. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/valerie_plame_/2005/10/the_new_york_times_says_espionage.php">www.markarkleiman.com/arc...ionage.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Citizen Spook Vindicated

Postby Fearless » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:24 pm

CS is a hero. <br><br>Several weeks ago, I attempted to post his articles a little at a time in data dump. After 4 tries, I gave up. I kept getting HTML error messages. It was one of those things that make you go HMMMMM...... <p></p><i></i>
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:)

Postby wintler » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:55 pm

Rockin', 3 stars for CS and one for AA for giving credit where due. Is there a web/indy/blog hall of fame anywhere that stellar performers can be recognised? Should be, cos amid the trivia, trolls and ego-ists on the web theres real gems, ppl beavering away fighting the good fight, and to make it thru this shitstorm it helps to know that hero's are real.<br><br>Fearless, its good for everyone to note those anomalies, as 'one swallow doesn't make a summer'. Anyone else have similar prob on RI? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: :)

Postby dbeach » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:05 pm

nice 2 be back<br>great to see the FIRST Thread is about one of my faves CITIZEN SPOOK<br><br>Man Did I take flak over that guy and was it EVER worth it.<br><br>THANX ANTI.<br><br>HEADS UP SCORE and nice translation of MM minimizing <br>importance of Fitz..and them trying to negate as do ALL professional disinfo agents like the NY Crimes ..oops ..Times. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: :)

Postby antiaristo » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:13 pm

Hey dbeach,<br>Thought you might want to post it at DU.<br>Have fun! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: :)

Postby dbeach » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:30 pm

HI ANTI..<br><br>Need to get some anti-kryptotinite armour B 4 suiting up..MAYBE A suicide mission.. <p></p><i></i>
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I linked you

Postby rapt » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:30 pm

Anti, I took the liberty of pasting a bit of your post over at MoonofA, with some references on the sourcing. This is BIG. It can't be ignored/swept under the rug any more - isn't that nice? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: :)

Postby Col Quisp » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:32 pm

The last time i checked CS's blog, it had not been updated in a long time. Is he OK? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: :)

Postby Fearless » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:34 pm

CS said his job was done and he probably wouldn't post anymore. <p></p><i></i>
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CS posting

Postby rapt » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:42 pm

But he DID post again after that Fearless. No holding 'm back. I hope he does some more, mebbe more concise and to-the-point. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: CS posting

Postby dbeach » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:49 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5015547">www.democraticunderground...04x5015547</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>DU is rockin on this stuff<br><br>CS is around..I last heard from him on 9/19 he idi not respond to my last attempt..will follow up.<br><br>"'I been waiting so long..{drum roll] to be where I am going <br>in the sunshine of your lOOOVE"<br><br>sunshine of TRUTH <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Citizen Spook Vindicated

Postby antiaristo » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:50 pm

rapt,<br>Be my guest anytime.<br>Yes, it's potentially enormous.<br>I can see this threading its way back to Iran-Contra.<br>It's the best hope for America.<br><br>Fearless,<br>I can see that an archive of these articles would be REALLY VALUABLE, especially in the coming weeks and months. I doubt he'll make a reappearance.<br>Could you have another try?<br><br>dbeach,<br>Fortune favours the brave. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Citizen Spook Vindicated

Postby Fearless » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:09 pm

Ok, anti, I'll give it another try. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Citizen Spook Vindicated

Postby antiaristo » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:15 pm

Fearless, <br>Thanks.<br>By the way, see how the NYT exposes its readership to 18 US 793.<br>No mention of 18 US 794, which is espionage in a time of war. That carries the DEATH PENALTY.<br>Bill 'n Pinch don't want to think about that. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: CS posting

Postby Fearless » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:15 pm

dbeach, check out post #40<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5015547&mesg_id=5027419">www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5015547&mesg_id=5027419</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>How long before it gets locked or I get banned? 10, 9, 8.... <p></p><i></i>
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