TBR/GWB/pedophilia

by **Pants Elk** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:17 pm

I know what Jeff (and probably you) think about TBR News, but this demands a wider readership. It sounds, unlike much of the spoutings of the "Voice of the White House", credible. "Poppy" has been linked with pedophilia, but so far his boy has just got himself a reputation for being gay (thanks, in part, to Jeff Gannon - and where is he now?) - this is the first indication that Dubya "likes 'em young" that I've seen. Notice that I'm making no value judgements here, okay? Except that GWB is an evil little fucker who should have his bowels wound out on a stick and strung from the White House gates. You have been warned: The Voice of the White House January 12, 2006: “In the past two days, I have received the following message from two sources that I consider to be very accurate. The sudden weeping exit by the wife of Supreme Court candidate Alito from his confirmation hearing was duly noted but no one in the media seems to understand it. No outrageous questions were being asked and the Congressional questioners of the Judge were balanced and reasonable. The following story does not come as a surprise either to myself or to others who have specific knowledge of the persona involved. It is a subject that, while often talked about on the inside, has never seen the light of day. The reasons for this are quite obvious. I have a cousin who is a psychiatrist and I made up a resume of the President’s persona , without any identifying information. My cousin read it over carefully and told me that it was his professional, but off the record, opinion that the subject was what is known as a repressed homosexual. Indications of a strong lack of self-worth coupled with obvious self-hatred, the lashing out at perceived establishment types who might be seen as condemning voices, being surrounded by known homosexuals, feelings of rejections and disapproval from his father (the male parent is far more critical of homosexuality in his son than the mother) excessive and petty vindictiveness and a number other less important points are all consistent with such a diagnosis. To this detached and professional opinion, I add the whispered and very snide remarks one hears on a daily basis both inside the disillusioned White House and in places where the elite gather to eat and drink, and I am not bothered by discussing it in public. ‘It seems that Judge Alito has a good-looking son, Philip, and when the family was at the White House recently to meet with Bush and his wife, the President somehow got the son alone and tried to kiss him! The boy was outraged and told his father that Bush smelled like booze. The father said nothing, wanting the Supreme Court job, but the mother complained to Laura Bush. Laura told her that ..."George is under so much stress these days, trying to protect America from terrorists that he 'slips' once in a while...." I immediately passed this to a British newspaperman (Guardian) who shot back that a similar incident had transpired when Bush was visiting in England and it was a subject Not to be Discussed! Almost ditto from another contact with AFP. This explains an 8" Gannon sylphing around the White House at night, unescorted. Could that be considered stretching things a bit? We can't use this but we sure as hell can pass it around. We could talk about Mehlman or McClelland but why torment these poor souls? Looking at their pictures, one can see that God has done that already Right in the middle of the hearing on her husband's suitability for the Supreme Court, Ms Alito suddenly fled from the room, weeping. There was nothing going on at the moment that justified it. My source tells me she is furious because Bush is a pedophile and she is afraid that her son will get nailed by the sick creep. Her husband wants his new job and will do nothing to prevent him from getting into a position where he can destroy Roe v. Wade. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pantselk>Pants Elk</A> at: 1/16/06 1:20 pm

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:38 pm

I get a kick out of reading the Voice of the White House now and then, and it is time for me to stop being surprised at how accurate s/he is. Hope you don't mind an aside, but I caught this book advertised at the TBR site:REGICIDE The Official Assassination of John F. Kennedy. The reason it caught my eye is partly because I strongly suspect that GHW Bush had a hand in the Kennedy assassination planning, but also because I came across an interesting name in George Bush's family tree. That name may or may not be related to regicide William Goffe. snip <a href="http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/biog/index_g.htm">www.british-civil-wars.co...ndex_g.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> William Goffe, Major-General, Regicide, d.c 1680 The son of a Puritan clergyman, William Goffe was apprenticed to a London grocer and became a freeman of the Grocers' Company in 1642. He joined Parliament's army during the First Civil War and is listed as a captain in Colonel Harley's regiment at the formation of the New Model Army in April 1645. By his marriage to Frances, daughter of Edward Whalley, he became connected to Oliver Cromwell's family. Goffe was one of the most radical of the Army officers, both in politics and religion. On the first day of the Putney Debates in October 1647, he proposed a prayer meeting before the debates began. Quoting Biblical prophecy, he was the first of the Army officers openly to call for negotiations with King Charles to end, and for the King to be brought to account. He repeated these demands at the Windsor prayer meeting of April 1648, where senior Army officers sought guidance to determine the causes of the troubles that continued to afflict the nation. Moved by Goffe's exposition of God's purpose, the officers resolved to bring the King to trial at the earliest opportunity. After the King's defeat in the Second Civil War, Goffe was appointed to the High Court of Justice and was a signatory of the death warrant. .... ......With his father-in-law and fellow-regicide Edward Whalley, Goffe fled to New England at the Restoration and hid in the frontier town of Hadley, Massachusetts. With the help of sympathetic colonists, Whalley and Goffe evaded capture by Royalist agents sent to seek them out.<hr></blockquote> Here is one of the places (there appear to be more than one, one of the other being in Barbara's family tree, if I understand it right) a Goffe comes into the Bush family tree: <a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:mv9dGCkO4v4J:www.wargs.com/political/bush.html+Goffe%2BGeorge+Bush+genealogy&hl=en">72.14.207.104/search?q=ca...logy&hl=en</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Abigail Richardson m. William Goffe | .Martha Goffe m. Ebenezer Howard | .Samuel Howard m. Anna Lillie | .Harriet Howard m. Samuel Prescott Phillips Fay | .Samuel Howard Fay m. Susan Shellman | .Harriet Eleanor Fay m. Rev. Janes Smith Bush | .Samuel Prescott Bush m. Flora Sheldon | .Prescott Sheldon Bush m. Dorothy Walker | .GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH<hr></blockquote> Do you suppose it runs in the genes?

by **starroute** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:57 pm

There were a lot of Goffes/Goughs in New England, and none of them seem to be connected with the British regicide. Also, I hope you do know the difference between executing a tyrant and assassinating a legitimate head of state, yes?

by **marykmusic** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:58 pm

Another view of the weeping incident: <img src="http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/benson/pics/011506benson335.gif" style="border:0;"/> ...And it certainly does ring true, especially about the Gannon visits. Just call up your local male escort service, eh? --MaryK

by **nomo** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:40 pm

Near as I can tell, Philip Alito is of legal age and attends college. So "pedophilia" it wouldn't be, although still rather disturbing if true.

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:51 pm

Maybe not the same, starroute, but it can't be ruled out either that they were related. I doubt that in that day and age there were many Goffes in New England, and the first place the regicide goes is to Cambridge, the location of another Goffe. <a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:8DBrAJE1aRMJ:">72.14.207.104/search?q=ca...rAJE1aRMJ:</a> www.cambridgema. gov/~Historic/regicides.html+Edward+Goffe&hl=en <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Paige relied heavily on a history of Massachusetts published by Governor Thomas Hutchinson in 1764, for his account of this time. Hutchinson related that, after the arrival of Whalley and Goffe, they were received "very courteously" by Governor Endicott and were visited by the "principal persons" in town. "Although they did not disguise themselves yet they chose to reside at Cambridge . . . where they went the first day they arrived." Paige wrote that it was not clear why the two men decided to settle in Cambridge. "A principal inhabitant of the town, Edward Goffe, was the namesake of one of the regicides, and may have been his brother or cousin; but I have found no proof of such relationship." (67) <hr></blockquote> I also found this, although family stories can be unreliable: <a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Aw6udh42ktsJ:">72.14.207.104/search?q=ca...udh42ktsJ:</a> freepages.genealogy.rootsweb. com/~jdevlin/bios/chatham_bios.htm+William+ GOFFE%2BAbigail+RICHARDSON,+&hl=en <blockquote>Quote:<hr>About 1710, the family of Gideon GOFFE settled about a mile south of Middle Haddam Landing, and are thought to have been the first English inhabitants that had their residence within the present limits of the town. There is a tradition in this family that they are descendants of William GOFFE, one of judges that condemned King Charles the First to death, and it is believed by some that the regicide ended his days in Middle Haddam Parish. <hr></blockquote> I also found this unrelated reference to an early Goffe: <a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:9oQ4MFZJ6F4J:www.">72.14.207.104/search?q=ca...J6F4J:www.</a> munarchaeology.com/munarchaeology/stories/mayflower/ index.htm+William+Goffe%2BPilgrims%2Bship+ captain&hl=en <blockquote>Quote:<hr>p) The indication of the strong probability that Thomas Goffe, Esquire, one of the Merchant Adventurers, owned the "MAY-FLOWER" when she was chartered for the Pilgrim voyage,--as also on her voyages to New England in 1629 and 1630. <hr></blockquote> As for the choice of the words "execute" or "assassinate", I guess that would depend on your political persuasion.

by **Ferry Fey** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:07 pm

"Todd, the problem we have is that everybody on our side is stupid." -- Willis Carto, founder of The Barnes Review It may indeed be that GWB is as fucked up as many lay and professional analysts may observe. I'm sure he's fucked up in ways we haven't begun to fathom. But when someone's un-named alleged cousin who is an alleged mental health professional is giving his professional opinion about someone he has not examined clinically, you'd better think long and hard whether you want to get into bed with someone who is so unethical. If it would be unethical for somebody's anonymous cousin the shrink to be offering his professional opinion about anybody on Our Side, it's just as unethical for us to do it about Their Side. Especially when it means that we're cosying up to The Barnes Review. It's a knife that cuts both ways. Mrs Alito may deserve an Oscar for that performance, but it certainly has not gone without comment.

by **Ferry Fey** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:12 pm

If you want to see a picture of Dubya violating someone's personal space, check out his clutching of Boysie Bollinger in the Jan 13 entry: <a href="http://derenegade.blogspot.com/">derenegade.blogspot.com/</a>

by **Pants Elk** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:22 pm

"But when someone's un-named alleged cousin who is an alleged mental health professional is giving his professional opinion about someone he has not examined clinically, you'd better think long and hard whether you want to get into bed with someone who is so unethical." I expect quite a few mental health professionals have opinions about public figures they've never met - how could they stop the process of evaluation, just because they weren't in a room with the guy? I'm equally sure they'd be the first to admit these opinions were nothing more than that, based on their experience and ability to read signals. So their opinions on the mental state of people they haven't examined clinically are worth more than, say, mine. And even I can read the signals to some extent, we all can. We don't (or shouldn't) need professional qualifications or results of clinical examinations to form opinions of people's characters and how they got that way, and what's going on under the public persona. I take the "information" from the TBR piece in its context, and I find it compelling.

by **dbeach** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:03 pm

<a href="http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/Members%20Archives/asded.jpg">www.cloakanddagger.de/med.../asded.jpg</a> check this out

by **pfredricks** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:55 pm

Regicide is based on documents faked almost certainly by Gregory Douglas himself. (Douglas is also the webmaster of TBRNews under the alias Walter Storch IIRC). He tried a similar trick with a string of books based on faked Nazi/CIA documents a few years ago which ended with him & David Irving having a bitter dispute (hence the "Punch Irving" link that used to be on the front page). Why anybody reads TBRNews who isn't a nazi or simple is frankly beyond me. (& FWIW, I think the Poppy did Kennedy stuff is almost all disinfo.)

by **Ferry Fey** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:53 pm

"We can't use this but we sure as hell can pass it around." Oh. I see. Passing gossip around is not the same as using it? Go ask Alice, I think she'll know... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> Let's see why this should raise red flags for anyone who cares about thoughtful, truthful, commentary and information sources. I'm not even going to factor in the reputation of The Barnes Review, just deal with the "information" as written. Source: The Barnes Review (TBR) <a href="http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2073.htm">www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2073.htm</a> Who's responsible for it? Not known. It's under the header of the regular column "The Voice of the White House," so we'll give the writer the handle of "Voice." You don't know the name or credibility of the anonymous Voice. You don't know the name or professional credibility of Voice's cousin who is allegedly a psychiatrist, or whether he is a real or fictitious entity. Let's start with the phony erudition Voice uses about his presentation to his cousin (let's call the cousin ShrinkyDink). "I made up a resume of the President’s persona," he says. He's floundering the moment he jumps in. "Persona," in most of its senses, refers to a mask which does not necessarily resemble the real person underneath. For example, "compassionate conservative" might be a persona GWB is trying to project, but which appears to have nothing to do with his inner life. ShrinkyDink "read it over carefully." No doubt savoring the deep insight and objectivity of Voice's presentation. Voice claims that it was ShrinkyDink's "detached and professional opinion." I'd call it "disconnected and unprofessional" to give off the cuff diagnoses to a cousin who clearly has little knowledge of mental health terminology. Remember that ShrinkyDink is not making a "professional" diagnosis of someone he has even observed from afar, or heard of from a trained observer of psychological states and behavior. He's making it at one level further detached from that, by accepting his cousin Voice's observations as valid insights. "I expect quite a few mental health professionals have opinions about public figures they've never met - how could they stop the process of evaluation, just because they weren't in a room with the guy?" -- Pants Elk This is not about the alleged professional's own opinions of Dubya's behaviors and context as he has seen filtered through the editing of newscasts, newspapers, and any other media. From the way Voice says it, his cousin doesn't seem to have cottoned on to the fact that Voice was trying to describe our very own Fearless Leader. For thoughtful discussion of professional ethics in this kind of situation, see these two entries by Rivka, a psychologist who comments on her "Respectful of Otters" blog (also make sure you read the comments attached to the postings): You don't diagnose a patient you haven't examined. You don't discuss your diagnoses without the patient's permission. And if your only defense against the latter rule is that the person you've publicly diagnosed isn't really your patient, that alone ought to let you know that you've strayed far from the requirements of professional ethics. A psychiatric diagnosis is a clinical tool, not a rhetorical device; to treat it otherwise substantially undermines the reputation of psychiatry and psychology. Frank is a former leader of the Physicians for Social Responsibility, but there is simply nothing socially responsible about using psychiatric terminology as a stick with which to beat your political enemies. There's nothing socially responsible about misusing the mantle of the professional expert. I am appalled." - Rivka Friday, June 11, 2004 "So Much For 'Social Responsibility'" <a href="http://respectfulofotters.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_respectfulofotters_archive.html#108695655124202757">respectfulofotters.blogsp...5124202757</a> Wednesday, June 16, 2004 "Justin Frank Responds" <a href="http://respectfulofotters.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_respectfulofotters_archive.html">respectfulofotters.blogsp...chive.html</a> Voice is not himself originating the alleged Alito son incident. That's for his source, who would have had to source it back to Mr and Mrs Alito, who of course didn't directly see the alleged incident but heard about it from their son. Voice <- Voice's source <- Alitos <- Philip Alito is the chain of transmission you can get with the minimum of steps here. Two completely anonymous sources, and all four (or more) not willing to go on the record about this. George W. Bush is a slimy fuck and his hands are bloody with thousands of deaths. I wouldn't put anything past him. But when you try to pass on 4th hand gossip as being worth our consideration it hurts whatever credibility we might try to develop here. As Rivka says, "It wasn't okay when their side did it, and it's not okay for our side to do it."

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