by havanagilla » Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:56 pm
My response was to what i understood as a concern that there are some "extortion wars" going on behind the scenes, of which we get a limited hangout. the signs are such publications which leave us with a sense that we are being used as audience to extortion ("i will tell them more if you dont do this or that..."), and how to respond to such publications. My suggestion was that in all times, and not to be led into a position of a hostage audience to half truths, is to try not to be excitable and lose moral grounds. i gave the israeli security guy as example. Hypothetically, the publication reads "we are going to excite the idiot public by exposing your practices which we usualy tolerate unless...." (here come the demands to put the lid on...whatever). If that's the case, a proper response is not to let it "hang", namely, rather to focus on the victims. if the man is a pervert working with license to recruit minors or what not (and usually with the consent of US gov), then the public should not settle with the half measures or this guy being sent back to a lucrative job in Israel, rather to make sure the entire practice is exposed either in the usa, and if impossible (I think he has immunity), to see that he is charged, tried and all the material is publicized in Israel, so the AG cannot re-place the lid. Cause surely, if this is just a tug of war of some "lid for lid" deal, the kids are not any safer as a result of this much publicized bust.<br>same case happened in australia, and the australian gov settled for expelling the guy, well, that's a relief, isn't it ? he landed right back in the foreign service, going elsewhere in the world, about his usual business.<br>--<br>obscuring perp/victim, i was referring to a hypothetical situation such as Golan Cipel (and possibly other cases) when the victim is being treated as a perp. possibly, the whore/slave in that case is Cipel, however, due to ethnicity and rage, he is lumped up with his handlers, "shipped" back to israel and disappears. this again, is allowing a "deal" . another dubious case/publication, IMHO, was the Tannenbaum deal, namely, the case of the kidnapped colonel from israel who turned out to be a drug/gambling addict who willingly flew to Lebanon, to cut a drug deal with a known "terrorist". We are led to swallow the unlikely publicatoin that this colonel, who had high clearance (namely, involved in highly classified top secret projects) was conducting long term business/friendship relationship with a known, registered terrorist, without IDF/GSS knowing about it; we are led to believe that he was a long time addict, and nobody knew about it, etc, etc. and that one sunny day he just flies to Beirut and ends up in Tehran. well...and then, we are led to believe that Ariel Sharon, a tough bargainer and a ruthless person, had a soft heart and yielded 400 top of list prisoners in exchange of said colonel. ahem...this takes place at the same time Franklin is exposed, and cipel too AND the disegnagement too. <br><br>One can assess, from the resources invested in covering it up, that MC, for instance, is possibly the biggest secret that governments are keeping, and therefore are extortable on. (MC as including the luring of minors, possible various pedo crimes in the making of MC cesspool context). <br><br>A principled, sustained lobby that focuses on exposing the practice, rather than on political context, will refuse to settle for half answers, or limited hangouts, even when it is being fed some crumbs of "political gains". namely, refuse a shallow explanation. Returning to the current israeli diplomat, a principled position is 1. there is a dangerous criminal offending minors. 2. the guy is working under government badge. 3. we want to know what happened. 4. kicking him out, without finding out what happened, places other kids IN THE WORLD at danger. 5. if this is a "hint" at us, that israeli gov is officially engaged in sex offending, we want to know that, and prevent ANY israeli security personnel from coming and doing that. otherwise, we don't buy that trail of stench, and therefore want to see THIS GUY, behind bars. <br><br>Otherwise, we get this - FBI arrest Israeli security, lets them go back to israel, guy is NOT charged. conclusion - we are sending a signal to stupid readers that israeli gss are mollesting american minors "as a job". some readers will realize that this is extortion, and will be really proud of our smart FBI who is pressing the balls of Israel for maybe concessions in lebanon OR 9-11 truth or what not. the last hypo is what I think is the main failure here. and on this board too. if you, "the sophisticated reader" agrees to cover up as a method, you condone the practice of MC and pedocrimes. cause you are signalling "we are for sale as well", when the method suits our short range politics. Namely, you are agreeing that this is a legit MO, to normally<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> allow MC/Pedo</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> by diplomats, and occasionally use the info to extort political gains, and then resume the usual business approach, that everyone turns a blind eye, cause everyone is doing that.<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
