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re: Whoa ...

Postby Starman » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:34 pm

Heyia needaname;<br><br>WoW -- That was quick feedback!<br><br>" ... maybe it's a code way of signaling the other "powers that be" who is doing what, and why!"<br><br>Now, THAT'S an intriguing thought -- I don't think that's what specifically meant or was driving at -- I suggested the possibility the PTB, or more specifically the MIL/Intel ops people who plan/execute false-flag operations may deliberately place semi-hidden cues ie., re: occult dates or arcane numerological codes, so as to coopt people's belief systems, or even replace the social paradigm (to an admittedly limited extent), OR just to confuse and baffle or mislead by muddying the waters.<br><br>But as to your point -- There are analysis I've read, and there's a number of convincing examples, of 'messages' being sent through how certain events may be coded and spun to intimidate or coerce certain governments to go-along with the PTB -- For instance, I've seen quite a bit of speculation by parapolitical analysts and blogwriters about a dialogue that occurs below-the-surface of public events and first-impressions -- A noteable example that occurs to me is how the Phillipine bombings were deliberately planned and executed to influence political thought on several levels (I think it was Skolnick's analysis, or perhaps Alex Jones or on his site -- involving the Diplomatic Mission bombing as the 'hinge' or link to attribute a political-Muslim terrorist 'signature' in the public mind.) That's a pretty 'easy' level of manipulation and analysis, but I don't put much effort or faith in deep speculation of hidden and semi-hidden obscure meanings, as it's a lot of gray area that can readily lead one along a merry path that has little relevance to the real world -- as multitextured and confusing as that ALREADY is.<br><br>I find this whole topic very difficult to think let alone write clearly about -- I don't have any certain thoughts except for my great skepticism that there IS any actual power in black-arts or Satanism or occult evil workings --but there MAY be a kind of after-the-fact or synthetic power in manipulated belief systems or a cultural/religious meme -- that is, on a par with or similiar to placebo effect.<br><br>For instance, the idea of numerological significance, seems to deal with a hidden meaning of the universe that is accessable by one or more systems of numerology -- the leaving of number clues may be an intentional effort to coopt such beliefs for the possible sociocultural benefit of convincing some people that there's 'something there' -- like a meme that acquires dynamic by winning attention and support. Think of it as the coincident manner in which Cortez accidently fulfilled Aztec prophecy of a conqueror, and so as a result opposition to him and his crew was virtually absent, he ended up coopting the belief system by nothing more than being in the right place at the right time -- to the great tragedy of the Aztec culture.<br><br>I'm sure a sufficiently-detailed study of history will find numerous examples of a deliberate coopting of local and folk-beliefs and superstition for decidely mercenary military and political purposes -- I recall reading of some deliberate Nazi/Third Reich using ingrained beliefs and folk lore to overcome resistance to their conquests -- tho I can't think of any specific examples off-the-top of my head right now (in addition to Cortez).<br><br>I hope my ramble isn't too disjointed and confusing to contribute to this discussion. But this idea also involves the possible use that a superpower junta might make of cultural UFO beliefs to 'overwhelm' a targetted population with a display of Alien supernaturalism intended to intimidate and thus eliminate all opposition. There's been some speculation recently on how the 'prophet' Maitreya (sp?) might fit into this scenario, perhaps to introduce a world religion that would facilitate a true One World Government rule by the Globalists.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Postby anon » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:40 pm

"From other sources..911 0r 912 days..its how ya look at it.."<br><br>Nope. <br><br>3/11/04 was 912 days after 9/11/01, just like 7/12/05 is 1 day after 7/11/05. <br><br>"Madrid was 911 days after 9/11" is just like "7/12 is ZERO days after 7/11" -- its "how ya look at it" if ya brain's damaged.<br><br>"maybe its more ddistractions which the elites use to cover their crimes.."<br><br>Nah. Elites did the crimes. Gullible people did this red herring and can blame themselves for it.<br><br>"...if this year wasn't a Leap Year it would indeed be 911 days 'after' 9/11, and this points to a wholly different and much more interesting story."<br><br>Bingo! Julius Caesar and his astronomer Sosigenes (with help from Pope Gregory XIII in 1582) invented leap years to mask the real occult significance of events in the 21st century. <br><br>"Perhaps the apparent sloppiness is not a lack of attention to detail, but an emphasis placed on the ritual rather than typical forensic details of the crimes. That the result is a wealth of material clues that contradict the official explanation actually feeds into the second part of my theory, that one major goal is to not just shock their audience into submission but to lie to our collective face and have us accept their lies as truth. It is that acceptence, more than the masses confused and dazed with fear, that gives them power."<br><br>Yeah, the ability to lie and get away with it "gives them power" but more importantly power gave them the ability to lie and get away with it in the fiirst place. You dont commit a major crime AND address it in public AND get away with it without having the power to get away with lies. That they lie and get away with doesnt support the idea that they put out clues deliberately. It just supports the idea that power/authority enables people to get away with lies.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: Whoa ...

Postby dbeach » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:45 pm

cloakand dagger reports the elites are planing again..such a surprise<br><br>cloak said last yr that they kept saying someone would blow up the golden gate bridge..then when it did not happen ..they claimed it cuz of them..<br><br>DUNNO???<br><br>but I do know the privleged controllers love to quiet scandal/change topic lest the peasants discover what really happens behind those castle walls and private armadas..<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=790&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=">tomflocco.com/modules.php...highlight=</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"reported on CLOAK AND DAGGER <br><br>QUEEN / BUSH / BLAIR / HAIG BROS. THREATENS ELECTRIC P0WER BLACKOUT OF U.S. EAST COAST TO HALT CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS AGAINST GEORGE W. BUSH. <br><br>WILL BUSH WHACK CHICAGO SPECIAL FEDERAL PROSECUTOR FITZGERALD? <br><br>(Cloak & Dagger News_7 _9_05: Chicago) <br>In the CIA leak case,Special Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is about to release Criminal Indictments against George W. Bush. Result? White House threatens to assassinate Fitzgerald. <br><br>July 8, 2005: British authorities are seeking a Moroccan man identified as Mohamed Guerbouzi, in connection with yesterday’s bombing attacks in London. Guerbouzi has been under investigation in Great Britain in connection with two previous attacks, a 2003 suicide bombing in Morocco and the Madrid train bombing on 11 March 2004. Guerbouzi held a senior position in the Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, or GICM, according to investigators, and has been living in the UK for the last ten years. <br><br>July 8, 2005; 5:30 AM ET: Just a few short hours before the first explosion ripped through London, there was a significant sell-off or “selling short” of the British Pound in the financial market. This activity took place absent of any economic news or other known market-driven factors that would sufficiently explain the sell off. This activity also occurred without the normal corresponding pricing action in the other major currency pairs. In summary, a large amount of GBP was sold to liquidate a “long position” and secure profits, or to take a “short position” to profit from an anticipated drop in the value of the British Pound. In either case, the market activity warrants further investigation "<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.cloakanddagger.de/">www.cloakanddagger.de/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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ya know.....

Postby needaname » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:15 pm

Exactly Starman. Doesn't sound like rambling at all. Our government, and others have always sent signals to other countries in "veiled" language, right? Through speeches, etc. except that the public never knew about it. More recently (I don't watch if I can help it, GB speak on tv anymore.... so I don't know if he does it as much) but all those (IMO sickening) religious terms he would use such as: stewardship, moral values, and what has he got now....someone to help him "shepard" something I think. Oh brother. Anyway, to convince his "flock" that he is "one of them". If the dates/numbers matter, who exactly do they matter to? Who besides inquiring minds trying to figure out what the heck is going on, since we don't believe the party line, would understand the significance? Jeeze, better go, time to take my pills. Thanks for the stimulating thoughts, Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: Whoa ...

Postby fujacko » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:26 pm

Hi folks. I'm new here, thought I'd post my 2 cents on the number phenomena.<br><br>I think we can (or should) all agree that the dates/numbers have no meaning/power in and of themselves. But whoever plans these attacks have their own reasons for picking these dates, and they are almost definitely psy-op related. Patterns and recurring numbers obviously have a powerful impact on the pysche in terms of imprinting the events. However, I regard the 'patterns' we see as the perpetrators' attempt to maximize disinformation, i.e. confuse the hell out of us. It is no secret that government entities pump out disinformation in order to take skeptics on wild goose chases. Furthermore, those of us who use this disinformation when attempting to educate others, or even when confronting the perps, completely lose credibility if we bring it up.<br><br>In conclusion, it's exciting and interesting to play number games, but in the end it is just serving those who picked the dates by tainting fact with unnecessary, unfounded, mystical fluff. <br><br><br>added: when people want to communicate they usually pick up the phone or some other device, not imbue their speeches with hidden codes. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fujacko>fujacko</A> at: 7/12/05 4:16 pm<br></i>
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re: whoa ...

Postby Starman » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:07 pm

EXCELLANT distillation, Fujacko -- I wish I could spit things out half-as-well -- I seem to need to get to a point in a circular manner, nipping at heels while cutting-off the more easily digested points, rather like running-down a meal-on-the-hoof.<br><br>I'd say the numbers game is mostly if not all disinfo and misdirection and part of propaganda deception. You KNOW 'these guys' on behalf of the PTB have teams working on how to bamboozle and take advantage of public spin using the brightest experts of social psychology and mass media manipulation.<br><br>Forewarned is forearmed;<br>Keep yer RI wits about ya at all times, and let yer searchlight SHINE!<br>Starman<br><br>BTW: Welcome to the forum! -- things are getting lively here with a buncha new voices and sharp minds adding to the mix. All welcome fer shure, I appreciate and enjoy this site lots for its challenging intensity and range of insights. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: whoa ...

Postby fujacko » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:47 pm

Thanks, and thanks again. We must always be aware of what we know to be true vs. what we know to be false vs. what we don't know to be either true or false (mystery). <br><br>True: 9/11 happened<br>False: what 'they' say happened on 9/11<br>False: what 'we' say happened on 9/11<br>Mystery: what really happened on 9/11<br><br>All we know for sure is that we're being lied to. We can uncover the lies, but uncovering the truth is a whole different ballgame. Let's keep our eye on the ball and focus on what we (can) know.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Soon I will be posting a thread offering practical information on a new and foolproof way of navigating through the sea of (dis)information we have to deal with every day.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: whoa ...

Postby dbeach » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:19 pm

to anon who should have a name but prefers to be a sniper<br><br>brain damaged yes I am ..I admit totally damaged..<br><br>You such an absolute authority..tell me more but first get a name..ya wanna argue 911 or 912..I really don't...<br><br>your insults at me speak more of you than they do of me..<br><br>get a name and BTW quit dictating to me about your value system... <p></p><i></i>
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The numerology aspects make me think of serial killers

Postby Asta » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:27 pm

A few years ago I was doing some research on serial killers (as it turned out a neighbor of ours was one -- he's dead now -- whew!) and I was struck by how many of these sickos are into numbers and signs and quirky clues.<br><br>Like the Zodiac Killer, Son of Sam, even Jack the Ripper, many of them want to taunt the authorities with their warped little games. My impression of these activities is that serial killers have a certain arrogance about them, given their sociopathic nature. They feel intellectually superior and the numbers game is to intimidate. I have never bought the "I really want to be caught" explanation for their compulsion to send letters or cards or leave messages behind for the investigators to ponder over. They're really saying, "You are all stupid and need to be killed. God (or my dog) told me so." <br><br>Just my opinion after years of reading.<br><br>Since I have always believed that W is a sociopath of a different level (being filthy rich and the son of another sociopathic former president), I have no problem believing that he and his inner circle are into numerology, occultism, you know, the stuff of childhood that one normally grows out of, except this group of emotionally retarded adults still want to play dress-up and do pretend magik. <br><br>(Except they really can make things go POOF with the detonation of a nuclear bomb).<br><br>Let's not forget that Nancy Reagan was very much into astrology and numbers. And considering that her husband was probably pretty much brain-dead during his tenure, most likely it was Nancy running the Show based on her astral readings. <br><br>Good ole Psychic Hotline! Where are they now when we need them? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The numerology aspects make me think of serial killers

Postby dbeach » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:34 pm

ASTA ..lol..bring back the psychic hots and the regan crew...<br><br>reagan was a Hero and a Patriot compared to the bushies<br><br><br>I mean really opium poppy gets his pal hincley to get his mind controlled son to try to knock off ronnie raygun..wow and the media can't connect the dots<br><br>BTW I read that ronnie had a stroke after the hit..<br><br>so we really have had bush poliitics and complete control of the WH since 1981..save the 8 yrs of clinton who now is poppys new pal<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: whoa ...

Postby anon » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:48 am

"to anon who should have a name but prefers to be a sniper<br><br>brain damaged yes I am ..I admit totally damaged.."<br><br>Sorry to hear that, but I didn;t call you that. What I said was:<br><br>"Madrid was 911 days after 9/11" is just like "7/12 is ZERO days after 7/11" -- its "how ya look at it" if ya brain's damaged.<br><br>Is that how you look at it? I didn't say or assume you did.<br><br>Lighten up bro. And what's this hang up on names? Like "dbeach" is your real one? <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: whoa ...

Postby dbeach » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:41 am

anon<br> most anons that I have met have been agents of disinfo..whether as trolls or other type disrupters<br><br>You practice your own advice and I will follow suit.<br><br>a name here affords you more credibility IMHO<br><br>DBEACH is part of my real name..but yes its not my complete name..but is allows the community to know me and vice versa<br><br>Now this is a lil community.<br><br>Would ya like to help build it?<br><br>Get a name would be a mighty good start <p></p><i></i>
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re: whoa

Postby rain » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:58 am

hey dbeach,<br>I thought it was a reference to where you were at<br>'hey dbeach, where you at?'<br>'I'm at dbeach.' <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: whoa

Postby dbeach » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:01 pm

"rain rian rain I don't mind<br><br>shine shine shine the wheathers fine.."<br><br>and so is your nifty comment.<br><br>I am at da beach almost daily in the summer..about 2 miles away in scenic RI . Get it scenic RI ?...as in this blog and the state of RI.<br>So I guess it depends on your definition of RI.<br><br>I did inhale. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: whoa

Postby professorpan » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:06 pm

Just because someone prefers to be anonymous does not indicate they are a "disinfo agent" or a troll. There are many reasons for not using a screen name -- one reason being that someone just prefers not to.<br><br>Lack of a screen name has nothing to do with the content of one's post. <p></p><i></i>
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