Polanski seduced woman on way to bury Sharon Tate

[professorpan]

Let's look at this another way.<br><br>I have a best friend and he's Jewish. My wife is Jewish. I have been known to read books by, and about, Jews. I've taken part in Passover seders. I've written articles about my concerns with anti-Semitic conspiracies taking root in forums like this one.<br><br>Does that make me a Jew? IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, huh? <br><br>If so, my Irish ancestors would be very surprised to hear that. <br><br>You can't logically say "Roman Polanski is a Satanist" just because YOU think the evidence is suggestive. And it's not up to me to defend that charge against him. You can say "I think the evidence supports the possibility that Roman Polanski is a Satanist." But to label him one, when it's only speculation, is simply wrong.<br><br>I'm sure I'll be labeled a "Satanist Apologist" and an Illuminati infiltrator soon enough for not agreeing. Isn't that the way this game works?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[The Shrike]

I have been lurking for months now and agree with the comments about the quality of the posts. The bottom line is simply this: I expect that FourthBase read the initial post and within seconds (and without even really thinking) wrote his post equating Polanksi as a Satanist. That isn't a condemnation - just a statement of reality. We all do it - I know I do. It was a knee jerk reaction. But what I think this message board calls us to do is to move past knee-jerk reactions. <br><br>Is Polanksi a Satanist? Based on the information supplied after the fact by FourthBase it does smell fishy but the best one can say is that it is possible. To make the initial statement on the basis of the evidence provided is, quite simply, too much of a stretch. Possible? Yes. A fact. No. <br><br>professorpan quite rightly "called bullshit" - he demanded that a higher standard of proof be applied. We all know that there are people who would read a post that says "Polanksi = Satanist" and believe it to be true. Generally speaking, the difference with this group has been its ability to think deeper. With all the disinfo in this game we all win when we undertake a more critical examination of the issues.<br><br>PS - Rigorous - your site and this Board are fantastic. From a western Canadian...keep up the good work. I now retreat back to my work at Miskatonic... <p></p><i></i>

[binndare]

Jeff, i think your headlines are seeking the depths of the British tabloids. That is a pity.<br><br>bin'dare <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Let's look at this another way.<br><br>I have a best friend and he's Jewish. My wife is Jewish. I have been known to read books by, and about, Jews. I've taken part in Passover seders. I've written articles about my concerns with anti-Semitic conspiracies taking root in forums like this one.<br><br>Does that make me a Jew? IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, huh? <br><br>If so, my Irish ancestors would be very surprised to hear that.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Equating Judaism with Satanism would probably alienate your best friend and wife forever. But that aside...<br><br>How about this amendment to my first post here:<br><br>Polanski <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>probably</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> = Satanist.<br><br>Satanism isn't just some other religion, Pan.<br>I seriously doubt that there is anyone whose best friend is a Satanic priest that isn't a Satanist himself. <p></p><i></i>

[anon]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://fcos.us/aslv.html">fcos.us/aslv.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>LEGEND: One of ASL's [Anton Szandor LaVey's] most widely-accepted falsehoods is his claim that he served as technical advisor for the 1968 Roman Polanski film Rosemary's Baby. ASL also claimed to have played the curiously-uncredited part of the Devil in that film.<br><br>REALITY: ASL had no involvement with Rosemary's Baby. Polanski's close friend Gene Gutowski (original producer of the film) stated that there was no technical advisor, nor did ASL ever even meet Polanski. Producer William Castle, who details all aspects of the film's production in his autobiography, never mentions ASL. He does describe Polanski's diligence in basing the film exactly on the Ira Levin novel from which it was adapted, eliminating any need for technical advice. The father of the actress who played Mia Farrow's body-double in the Devil scene recalled that a young, very slender professional dancer played the part, dressed in a small rubber suit. In 1971 this suit was acquired by Studio One Productions in Louisville, Kentucky, for use in a low-budget horror film Asylum of Satan. Michael Aquino, technical advisor for that film, examined the suit and concluded that the 200-pound, 6-foot ASL could not possibly have worn it. [The suit was worn by a girl in the Asylum film.] Not a single member of the cast or crew of Rosemary's Baby has ever mentioned ASL's involvement. In 1968 a San Francisco theater did ask ASL to make an appearance at the film's local opening as a promotional event. This appears to have been ASL's only connection with the film that engendered the 1960s' popular interest in Satanism.<br><br>SOURCES: Gene Gutowski; William Castle, Step Right Up! I'm Gonna Scare the Pants off America, New York: Pharos Books, 1992; Diane LaVey, Michael A. Aquino (COS, page #17).<br> <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

OK, so who played Satan in it, then?<br>Shouldn't that be documented somewhere?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/fullcredits">www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/fullcredits</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Nothing from imdb.com<br><br>Funny enough, check this out:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/board/thread/9492640?d=12580064#12580064">www.imdb.com/title/tt0063...4#12580064</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"Yes I Can", the autobiography of Sammy Davis, Jr. was placed on Rosemary's bookshelf by Polanski. A later autobiography by Sammy Davis, Jr. is where RI extracted the info about Sebring being a Satanic priest.<br><br>Another funny comment from the imdb board:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/board/thread/8506075">www.imdb.com/title/tt0063...ad/8506075</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And finally, here we have some possible answers:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/board/thread/827431?d=2372461#2372461">www.imdb.com/title/tt0063...61#2372461</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Clay Tanner was the devil. He was uncredited on the movie, but if you look at the full cast, you will see his name listed.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063522/board/thread/827431?d=6633895#6633895">www.imdb.com/title/tt0063...95#6633895</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Clay Tanner may have been the face of Satan shown at the end, when Rosemary is screaming about the baby's eyes, but my hardcover edition of Halliwell's movie book has a still from the rape scene in which John Cassavetes is plainly playing Satan, funny suit and all.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>So you were right, LaVey did not play Satan.<br>But the whole "tiny dancer" theory doesn't seem true, either. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 7/21/05 7:16 pm<br></i>

[FourthBase]

Anyway, here's the relevant entry from RI:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Interestingly, Davis writes of an earlier brush with Hollywood's occult underground. In the late 1960s, he accepted an invitation to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>a party thrown by actors whom he knew to be practicing occultists</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. The party became a ritual orgy, which concluded with a virgin's simulated sacrifice. Sammy was shocked to discover that the hooded figure leading the ritual was his own hairstylist, barber-to-the-stars Jay Sebring. In retrospect, perhaps it shouldn't have been such a surprise, as Sebring had previously invited Davis to visit the dungeon he'd constructed in his basement, and see the antique torture implements he'd collected.<br><br>The cat was always "a little weird," writes Sammy.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/04/candy-man-did.html">rigorousintuition.blogspo...n-did.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Do you think maybe Polanski was there? <p></p><i></i>

[proldic]

Fully agreed, Pan, -rigorous- attention to the specific phrasing of how we approach our questions/accusations is vital, even in an "insider" forum such as this.<br>Is this a semantic debate that is very important?<br>Was Polanski a Satanist - capital S? <br>Certainly he lived a satanic ethos. He was more than just dabbling in the occult. Like Sammy Davis (who was used to awshucksin' with "evil white men", what a peacock feather in La Vey's technicolor dreamhood.) <br>Polanski's degeneracy/dowhatyawant is obvious to those with a heart. Even up to his recent movies, like Bitter Moon, and 9th Gate, the fixation with evil or "satanic" influence is palpable.<br>With Benedict Canyon, he was only a heartbeat away - from what is the question?<br>Hollywood creep with a taste for the dark side?<br>Practicing occultist?<br>Card-carrying member?<br>Does this matter as part of formulating a broader, cohesive argument that can be "taken public", talking about the role of intel-connected cult-fronts during the late '60's?<br>The picture of LaVey as circus carny is true to a great degree, but a lie to a greater degree. However, in that cos bio anon posted you see an example of how they attempt to overplay that angle to obscure his parapolitical roots. <br>The "reality" is he didn't work on the film directly. So M.A. disproves this role by talking about the suit, while the more important truth is lost, the truth that the intel-connected satanic orgs and other occult groups held massive sway over the hollywood crowd in that day. <br>It's would be foolish to assume that many hollywood movies with occult themes did not use "advisors" from that community, either credited, or not. <br>Just like Bruckheimer et al used Defense Department advisors to brainstorm "independence Day", "Day After Tommmorrow", etc. As a recent example, yesterday mainstream science breaks the fact that it's sleep pyschosis that's the cause of all that nastiness...and it was in the CSI script by nightfall. <br>That cos bio is part of the "working" to get us to forget questions like: what the -hell- were those three boys doing over there working for US intel, anyway? <p></p><i></i>

[RebelYell]

LONDON (Reuters) - Roman Polanski won his libel case against Vanity Fair on Friday, ending a week-long trial in which he gave video evidence from Paris to avoid extradition to America where he is wanted for having sex with a girl aged 13. <br><br>The film director was awarded 50,000 pounds ($87,500) in damages, and his solicitors estimate that Vanity Fair's bill could run as high as 1.5 million pounds.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The 71-year-old went to court in London to sue the magazine's publishers over an article in July 2002 alleging he had tried to seduce a woman in a New York restaurant while on his way to his slain wife's funeral in August 1969.<br><br>Vanity Fair conceded the article was inaccurate, saying the incident actually took place weeks after Sharon Tate's murder by followers of the Charles Manson clan, but maintained the gist of the contested passage in the article was true.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>"It goes without saying that, whilst the whole episode is a sad one, I am obviously pleased with the jury's verdict today," Polanski said in a statement.<br><br>"Three years of my life have been interrupted. Three years within which I have had no choice but to relive the horrible events of August 1969, the murders of my wife, my unborn child and my friends."<br><br>Tate was eight-and-a-half months pregnant when she was killed.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Graydon Carter, editor of Vanity Fair, told reporters outside the court he found the decision "amazing."<br><br>"As a father of four children, one of them a 12-year-old daughter, I find it ... outrageous that this story is considered defamatory given the fact that he cannot be here because he slept with a 13-year-old girl a quarter of a century ago."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Polanski could be extradited from Britain to the United States for his 1977 crime, but not from France, were he was born. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050722/ts_nm/people_polanski_verdict_dc" target="top">Link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>