by Starman » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:07 pm
Oh Come ON ?!<br>Nobody's been 'attacking' Biao -- Get a grip, pleeze. But what's really odd is that, from my POV, you yourself have been exhibiting more of these very patterns than anyone else: disruptions, 'constant' demeaning slurs and challenges to credibility -- like, HullO?????<br><br>And what's this harping about volunteering Jeff to arbitrate people 'proving their bonafides?? From what I've seen, the intimidation and name-calling hasn't come from those you've listed. It's like, having started-off on a track of criticizing JM for questioning Biao's conclusions on a trivial point and slamming him for use of the qualified descriptor 'hysterical' (for which he's apologized at-least -twice- : a more appropriate word to describe the apparant jumping to a hasty conclusion based on a very weak evidence link not even supported by a testable argument might have been impulsive, desperate, reactionary, over-eager or presumptuous -- and the distinction has to be made that JM wasn't making a character-slur but stating his impression of the impulse itself by which a leap of logic is made) you just can't back down or get back on-topic, but elevated this apparant but silly disagreement into a conspiracy including Tabasco and Avalon, even alleging some kind of sinister, organized black-ops agenda. I just don't see it.<br><br>The escalating argument about intentions and accusations that developed over the relatively innocuous stating of opinion and asking for elaboration has been little more than silly, entirely off the point and from what I can see, argumentative for the sake of being combative; not constructive at all.<br><br>For myself, I would have appreciated a better-developed argument or at least direct links to sources backing-up the assertion that menstrual-blood harvesting (and victim's mental programming) is a well-established satanic cult practice. As too with info on linking these practices to something called 'Thelamic Fundamentalism', something I didn't know anything about and couldn't even evaluate without spending a frustrating two hours searching web resources. And I'm not even sure this 'point' is directly relevant or of primary importance to the larger issue of systemic RA crimes -- although it does connect some RA perps to occult groups influenced by Crowley's ideas and at least associated with ritual practices of the OTO cult.<br><br>To get more on 'track' here -- From what I've learned, I think it's appropriate to refer to blood-ritual and RA practices as 'Thelamic Fundamentalism'. Too bad a frank discussion of this issue couldn't have been more directly addressed instead of all the digressive and tangential distractions that resulted -- although I have to say that a lot of good points and comments WERE made, and so I think Biao can be commended for instigating a very active discussion. It sure inspired me to think more deeply about some of these things and articulate what I thought about them -- as well as addressing the trend of intimidation and intolerance to the stating of skeptical questions. It clearly doesn't just involve those speaking about the incredible horrors of such unimaginably-foul crimes. But since credibility IS such a very basic issue here with respect to the greater public's aversion to acknowledging how pervasive but hidden and effectively protected RA perp networks are, disparaging those who are legitimately skeptical about certain points is NOT helpful at all. <br><br>For what it's worth (and since addressing these various points is making this a rambling commentary), Biao's latest comment in response to Tabasco's questions was far more instructive and helpful than I thought they'd be -- I took the 'value' of Tabaco's 'points' in providing an example of fleshing-out background information to put the perp intimidation and stalking etc. in a more real-world context, but not necessarily the 'key' or a formula to be followed -- Nevertheless Biao's 'answers' went a long way to resolving some of my inherant (and natural) doubts and suspicians (that I have about ALL people with information that is remarkable for challenging contemporary pop-culture conventions). I'd hope that acknowledging what folks find especially incredible and hard-to-believe would be found helpful, so that anybody speaking about RA crimes will do so more compellingly and convincingly. The key here, I think, is civil engagement -- being coherant, direct, and responsive. I don't think anybody is 'making demands' or requiring a sworn-testimony degree of personally-identifiable details, but at least sufficient complexity of information to lend the weight of supporting statements to make it harder for folks to simply discredit it as thin or ludicrous. But (as a number of commenters have stated) this topic is just so bizarre that a lot of folks are going to deny it no matter what's said or how -- Jeez, even a lot of victims have a hard time accepting what's happened to themselves. The nature of RA doesn't lend itself to believability, esp. in the context of a deliberately dumbed-down, misinformed and intentionally deluded, decieved society that has been sold a very fake version of history and reality. Folks have the problem of extricating themselves from the comfortable nodule of popular belief systems they've been programmed and conditioned to accept. Churchs, schools, social organizations, cultural institutions, texts, commercial entertainment and media programs, they've all been enlisted and modified towards creating a pop-culture paradigm in which things like RA and shadow governments and global conspiracies and political assassinations and deliberate wars and genocidal policies and sanctioned secret experiments on unwilling citizens and corporate control of public policies and top-level protection of unimaginably-horrible crimes, aren't supposed to happen and are simply written out of the 'officially-allowable' script -- But until people begin questioning their assumptions and what they've been 'told' is possible or even likely, they're gonna have a hard time accepting a lot of claims about RA.<br><br>Thanks to SW, GDNO1 and Jenz for directly addressing some issues I raised --they do add to my greater understanding and provide greater insight into some of these things, notably confirmation that menstrual blood outrages (harvesting) aren't uncommon and have been documented. IMO, exposing such incidental details which directly implicate RA crimes may be one of the best ways to force cracks in the facade of 'nothing here, folks!' by which RA crimes and extended networks hide. (and thanks Avalon for 'reminding' me that paragraphs are my friend! ( : )<br><br>I guess some of these points directly concern the 'criteria' each of us have about evaluating whether something is true, or somewhat true, or mostly false or out-and-out false. It has to do with how the things we are told 'fit' into our overall scheme of what we've already accepted and tested and so 'know' on a continuum from 'definitely-true' to declining probabilities of truth. This doesn't necessarily involve lurid details -- but rather, its the way a story/comment hangs-together, concerning incidental details and even relatively trivial things that provide a context. A lot of comments on this thread are about that very thing -- suggestions for how we can be more compelling in saying things we know are true for a fact, real for us, or 'likely' true based on what we've learned over time. <br><br>The certainty of RA has definitely been shown to me to be very real, although other things, like how extensive it is, how well-protected from individuals and groups in gov. and society and law enforcement, what their over-all goals and motives are, how these groups function and cooperate among themselves, their tactics and history and etc., are less established. It's like a master rabbit-hole -- the further in one goes, the more twisted and strange and gruesome it gets, and the more questions that result. The asking of questions isn't by itself a measure of disbelief, esp. for many/most posters on this board (as I see it), but an interested, sincere grappling with the effort of trying to put the various pieces of RA evidence, claims, testimony, observations, etc., into some kind of better, more comprehensible form.<br><br>I've learned most of what I know about RA just in the last 6 months, largely from reading Jeff's website and the Board -- so I'm still having a hard time putting it in context and getting a good handle onnit. Most of it's so far from my personal experience that some aspects are very hard to relate to anything else. <br><br>Likely, if it wasn't for my cynicism and understanding of and interest in and research over the last 6-ten-years (esp. the last 4 years) of hidden history and the reality of a covert shadow-government and global conspiracy of wealth and power and influence that works behind the scenes to stage-manage world events, and my reading of the military-industrial and banking/security/resource etc. special interests and secret wars for economic and geopolitical conquest, the history of CIA and MiLIntel operations re: Paperclip, COINTELPRO, Monarch-MKULTRA, Gehlen Network/Gladio, funding of wars and opposition sides, false flag ops, manipulated war on terror and drugs, 50+ year financing and extensive use of terrorism for hidden geopolitical purposes, deliberate economic indenture and political subversion of 3rd world nations contrary to all principles of human rights and social justice, and etc., I would be far less credulous about how extensive and organized RA crime and networks are -- but I see enough bits of the big picture that I can note many of the links and ties to blackmail and manipulation of public opinion and coercion of political figures and underming social institutions and like that, that I can see some aspects of how RA fits into the globalist agenda and military-type thinking about end-driven ideology. <br><br>It's almost if RA didn't exist, the PTB elites and their functionary cronies would have had to invent it to meet their purposes -- but of course, they precisely DID create/invent it, which is a noteable reason they go to great lengths to keep it covered up. RA may be one of the elite Globalists most vulnerable achilles heel to reveal just how thoroughly foul and corrupt they and their agenda are -- a danger to everything we think of as good and decent and best in the world, in our nation, and each other.<br><br>And then there's the whole good-evil paradigm thing in which RA and cult/occult practices is located, by which both organized faith institutions (ie. Christian) and Satanic groups are organized and which people use to define-describe what's going on, what it's all about. I'm less invested in this POV, although I have a latent guarded distrust of secret occult and self-described Satanic organizations/ideas, as having the potential for abuse, misuse of power and for provoking people with a-social and even anti-social destructive, abusive and vain- imaginings and goals, for power and influence and material benefits; The thing is, from my overview of many of these cultic associations, they directly repudiate the qualities of mercy, compassion, selfless love, respect, grace, cooperation, empathy, peace, and like that, instead providing the basis for such things as selfish indulgence, lustful desires that are inherantly destructive and deceptive and that can easily lead to the manipulation and abuse and harming of others, 'excusing' lies and deception, corruption and fraud, and likewise damaging and 'dark' things, unimaginable cruelties and barbarisms, horrors and unspeakably foul, noxious crimes, ie. "evil" as ordinarily defined.<br><br>So, to my mind, there's definitely something 'there' that people deliberately cultivate in their pursuit of 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", giving little credence (in its more extreme expressions) to 'harm not another' -- this scruple against transgressing seems to be the subtle unacknowledged exception which is at core where many 'dark' practices cultivate the energy of their victims, delighting in taking their full measure of perversions by way of bestial, horrible crimes:<br><br>For further info (first link is VERY detailed with descriptions and testimony of child-abuse RA victims, graphic and deeply disturbing, to be avoided by RA victims for possible triggering cues) on what's at issue here, and why holding occult groups in suspician is just good, decent common sense:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/Freemasonry/satanic_ritual_abuse.htm">www.the7thfire.com/new_wo..._abuse.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>US child-victim testimony of blood-sacrifice, torture and ritual abuse practices related to Egyptian Book of the Dead, with victim-drawn crude illustrations<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/mind_control_slavery.html">www.thewatcherfiles.com/m...avery.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Mind Control Slavery and New World Order<br>-- According to this extremely disturbing report, Monarch Program<br>mind-control survivors claim to have been used as high-tech slaves by<br>certain intelligence agencies and top-ranking politicians. Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 6, Number 2 (February-March 1999).<br>From our web page at: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nexusmagazine.com//MindControlNWO.html">www.nexusmagazine.com//Mi...olNWO.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>. . .<br>"Given the ghastly mind-control experiments constantly being conducted<br>by the CIA, and its past connections to fiendish monsters like Dr<br>Campbell and Dr Sidney Gottlieb, it does not take much to conclude that<br>the CIA follows satanic roads," Coleman concludes in his monograph,<br>"Illuminati in America".<br><br>Also, esp. appropriate to analysing the nexus of US Military prison torture practices with Satanic/occult practices/tradition and CIA/MiLIntel mind-control research/ops:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.kathleen-sullivan.com/Iraq%20Revelations%20Part%203.htm">www.kathleen-sullivan.com...rt%203.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Kathleen Sullivan identifies and analyzes the Abu Ghraib torture/abuse practices that are common to those the CIA and Military Intelligence perfected and used through MKULTRA mind-control research, comparing and contrasting the effect to prisoners and ritual-abuse/mind control victims. <br><br>NOTE: This is one of the most detailed treatments of the Abu Ghraib prison abuses, giving an accurate sense of how thoroughly foul and detestable those officers are in the chain of command who either authorized or by their criminal negligence allowed these abuses to occur -- as well as serving a powerful indictment of an unaccountable military and political bureaucracy under the corrupt 'leadership' of the neocon clique that deliberately created the specific and necessary legal, military culture and occupation conditions in order to facilitate the enormous abuses that subsequently occurred.<br><br>The reality of America's moral depravity is inescapable, part of the bigger picture of what Abu Ghraib abuse was really all about, providing the main reason why US NWO hegemonic ambitions must fail -- as one considers that Abu Ghraib (and another dozen prisons in Iraq where equal if not greater abuse occurred) was just the latest manifestation of a putrid legacy, in which thousands of mind-control victims were deliberated subjected over decades to some of the most appalling crimes imagineable, while the 'system' of abusers the US Government covertly sanctioned was protected and spread far beyond laboratory confines as budding amateur mind-control neophytes went on to victimize more thousands of children and citizens, creating an underground market economy for mind-controlled sex-servants and torture victims and child-captives -- which incredibly, perversely, shows evidence it too was protected and made-use-of by top public officials and incorporated into secret, satanic and occult organizations -- whether to protect their 'official' programs or obscure the links that led to Government contractors and covert projects, or to cultivate another generation of home-grown perpetrators and victims that could be coopted for Gov. purposes when and if the need arose ...<br><br>The hidden consequences of America's tacit accomodation in perpetuating and institutionalizing the legacy of CIA/MiLInel mind-control/torture crimes are bound to manifest themselves as blowback or in other ways in society, in culture, in Government unaccountability and cover-up and complicity, in organized/subsumed criminal networks, in the glorification and pop-culture media desensitization and commercial-entertainment exploitation and institutionalization of violence and gruesome, self-indulgent abuse and victimization of targetted 'others', ie, outcasts, the 'enemy', minorities, the 'others', the opposition (recall the nutty rightwing parody-hatecrime of bumperstickers reading 'Liberal Hunting License', which sure sounds like a Rovian-neocon propaganda campaign to inspire mindthink hyper-reactionary pop-conformism: part of the 'Liberals are the enemy! Pavlovian conditioning strategy encouraging right-left rote-hating on-cue), and so on. <br><br>During the late-60s and 70s while the US was waging wars and killing and maiming and torturing masses of people in Southeast asia and more covertly in Africa and Latin America, participating and directing the overthrow of Chile and Iraq and Indonesia (among others nations) and putting in-place mercenary killer-terrorists and Death Squads, committing the most foul and depraved brutalities under the Public Relations whitewash banner of 'preserving human rights' and 'liberating' people from tyranny -- the immense hypocrisy wasn't completely hidden and the resulting cognitive dissonance helped create the conditions for America becoming a country of radically-increasing violent domestic crime, where even the police were enlisted to bust-heads of peaceful student-protesters and the CIA/NSA targetted civil-rights and peace protestors as 'enemies of the state' appropriate for legal intimidation, surveillance, infiltration, blackmail, false-arrests, manufactured 'evidence', agent provocateurs, and even worse. <br><br>Likewise, the relatively-recent spate of school shooting and sniper-killings in public places seem a reflection of the violence that America has institutionalized and made a core part of its values system, from manufacturing a massive stockpile of Chemical, nuclear and biological weapons while bemoaning 'other' states for allegedly doing the same (and even other states that were NOT doing the same!), calling for inspections while refusing the same, denouncing terrorism while being the world's leading agent subsidizing terrorism, exploiting arms and drugs-smuggling networks despite the enormous damage they do to communities and states, creating a msssive prison-industry where more citizens per capita are locked up than anywhere else in the world, creating a virtual global gulag system where toture and abuse and violence are endemic and authorities are under little if any oversight or accountability and all due-process protections are ignored, conducting wars and violent covert-ops around the world, and etc.<br><br>LOTTA dots to connect and dirt to excavate and light to put on these critical issues.<br>Distraction and name-calling and strawman jousts aren't IMHO the way to get these things said or better-known.<br>My two-cents, natch.<br>Peace -n- light!<br>Starman<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
