Ritual Abuse: Myth and Reality

by **TherionMagus** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:49 am

I'm new to this forum and would like some direction towards information about RA. Theri

by **TherionMagus** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:39 am

I am a survivor of RA and naturally I have been told by many people that it is a myth that I made up in my head. I know that the abuse is true: I have scars and memories and I have a friend who survived it all with me. And i don't have DID. We are terrified and alone and no-one will believe us. We once decided to commit suicide together if we had not found anyone who believed us by the end of that year. We know this might be seen to be selfish but you must understand that we are desperate. If you haven't been through this you have no right to judge our truth. You can't possibly imagine what it's like chained up in our bruised bodies and minds with skeptics tearing us apart for their own hedonistic intellectual aggrandisement. This subject is no place for those invested in indulgent "rational detachment". Furthermore, these people are fools. And fools are not compartmentalised actors who affect only themselves, as psychology would have us believe. Fools are dangerous: They keep us chained. You tell me I'm too irrational and thus it must be lies. You tell me i'm too functional and thus it must be lies. You tell me I'm seeing a therapist and thus it must be lies. You tell me I'm not seeing a therapist and thus it must be lies. There is no time and no energy in this fight for unanalytical skeptics. You bar our progress. You stifle us. The other night I got drugged and raped. You sat there at your emails writing about UFOs as I bled and wept. Who then are the true skeptics (skeptic = disillusioned romantic)? You merely romanticise the world and make it easy for yourselves. Don't kid yourselves: you're not special. You're just like the other robots in the world. Redundant. Theri

by **GDN01** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:03 am

Hi Theri, There are many people here who know that RA happens. We know because we have survived it. And, I don't believe people make these stories up. So, you have found at least one person who believes you and your friend have suffered and I'm sorry that this happened to you. It shouldn't happen to anyone. I'm not sure what kind of information you are looking for, but look through the archives on Rigorous Intuition and this message board. There is a lot of information here. Not everyone on this message board will believe. I don't believe things that are written about other topics here. There are a lot of different people with different interests and experiences, all looking for a piece of the puzzle of this life we live. But, I have found a lot of support and hope you find what you need, also. Take care, GDN

by **DrDebugDU** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:18 am

I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you. This is just my 2 cents about it. I don't consider RA a myth, because it is something which has been going on for centuries in occult religious practises. From the part of the victim it is to create trauma and fear, because fear and trauma are the essence of control. The best way to control people is by fear. But there is far more to it. Negative occult religious have always used blood in their rituals. Blood was always regarded as the essence of life and to sacrificing blood has always been the highlight of occult religions. Judaism practised a lot of animal blood sacrifice until the destruction of the temple and the bible is filled with those rituals. Islam still practises animal sacrifice at important events. Hate groups like Hells Angels require blood sacrifice as part of the initiation and there are many more who still do it in secret. Somehow ritual abuse and blood are keys to negative cults not only as a means to inflict trauma and gain control, but the masters are like vampires who need it. And war falls into that category as well being ritual sacrifice. If you ask for the why then indeed you'll end up with stories that is done to conjure of demonic beings. Sacrifise and war: <a href="http://www.asc.upenn.edu/USR/fcm/jaar.htm">www.asc.upenn.edu/USR/fcm/jaar.htm</a> Blood Sacrifice as magic: <a href="http://www.paganlibrary.com/editorials/blood_sacrifice.php">www.paganlibrary.com/edit...rifice.php</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Evolution of Blood Substitutes for Sacrifice and Grounding Whatever the rational, "blood sacrifices" were obviously very important in the beginning of every early culture. See A deeper, more historical explanation may be the most primitive of realizations. Blood had been used: * to stay connected with and keep the covenant with one's god/dess, * to be heard by the god/dess * to act out and thereby make real and continue the god-goddess processes of nature and * for blessing the gathering participating in the ritual. Some considered a gift of blood as necessary to carry one's petitions to god/dess. Blessing The ancient word bleodswean and the Old English word bletsain (blessing) meant to sanctify by application of blood. Sprinkling the blood of the sacrificed on the people was once the acceptable way to bless them. This sprinkling motion is still used in many Christian churches to bless. The Bible passage "His blood be upon us, and our children" (Matthew 27:25) is actually an acceptance of the Blessing of the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus' Blood - not an acceptance of guilt and blame by the Jews (nor should the passage be used to blame anyone if not one's self for the need of redemption by the blood of the perfect lamb). Many alters today are blessed with salt (a universal substitute for blood). The Transition The Satapatha Brahmana says that "In the beginning the sacrifice most acceptable to the gods was man." Then substituted for humans were, in order: horses, oxen (cattle used to pull or plow), sheep, then goats and then finally grains. The transition from humans to animals was not steady or smooth. Sometimes both would be sacrificed, or humans only annually. If life became particularly difficult, say most of one's volcanic island was blown way by an eruption and there wasn't much food or hope left, human sacrifice would sometimes return. The transition continued as a piece of parchment (real sheep's skin) replaced the animal. Writing on the parchment and burning it was sufficient to carry a partition to god/dess. Nowadays, Writing one's desires on a piece of paper and placing it beneath a burning candle does the trick. Circumcision: A Part for the Whole As societies changed, killing one's first born became distasteful, and rituals were substituted for the actual killing of the infant.One such ritual is infant circumcision (the Hebrews adopted the Egyptian male adolescence rite [indicating the male to be as powerful/valuable as the female because he could bleed, also] and Moses moved it to infancy so his son would not need to be totally sacrificed). Animal sacrifices were still required. Burnt Offering The success of rituals that required the burning of the sacrifice often depended on a large amount of smoke rising to show the acceptance of the sacrifice by god/dess. Fatty meats did this well. When economics shifted to grain sacrifices, oil had to be added for proper performance. That may have been Cain's problem (the story has many levels and Harold's observations are based on books and references that are not normally known), not enough oil or fats and other fuels for a long, smoky burn. Today, the burning of a candle is understood by the person doing the ritual and therefore makes an acceptable sacrifice if attention is also given. <a href="http://old-mage.com/magick/evobldsb.htm">old-mage.com/magick/evobldsb.htm</a> <hr></blockquote>

by **hmm** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:53 am

The problem with skeptics is once you start to question things its hard not to question everything. My personal view on the tales of survivors is to take them at face value unless "proven" otherwise. I also feel it is silly and damaging to overanalyse someones personal recollection of traumatic events. Anyone with any personal experiences of trauma or a modest amount of empathy should be able to see the essential truth of another persons pain. and i certainly see this in a large percentage of accounts of ritualised abuse. Just because i personally dont believe in satan doesnt mean i cant accept that there are those that do and abuse others,or use the fear of the satanic as a tool or excuse for their twisted actions. I understand the frustration and renewed pain that doubters could cause you but in reality what are they,do they own the truth?Does anything they say change reality? Some may find it strange that i say that some of the most special and beautiful beings i have met are those that have survived abuse,but i dont care what they think and im saying it "out loud". I just want to wish you well from one human to another.

by **jenz** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:17 am

I don't know where you are posting from. I can tell you that although it is true that there is a wall of manipulated 'disbelief' about the existence of r.a., behind which most of the law enforcement agencies hide, and which some therapists and psychs do not challenge, there is an active opposition to this propaganda. If our saying this is enough to give you the strength to carry on, then already this board has had a small success. From my perspective, as a supporter of 2 survivors in an organisation of supporters, (linked to an organisation of professionals who have encountered r.a.), I feel very strongly that the strength which survivors I have met display in rejecting, day by day, the hate culture they were unwillingly immersed in, and in telling us what is going on, is an extraordinary demonstration of courage, and a beacon of hope for the rest of us. What info do you need to find more direct support?

by **jenz** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:23 am

I don't know where you are posting from. I can tell you that although it is true that there is a wall of manipulated 'disbelief' about the existence of r.a., behind which most of the law enforcement agencies hide, and which some therapists and psychs do not challenge, there is an active opposition to this propaganda. If our saying this is enough to give you the strength to carry on, then already this board has had a small success. From my perspective, as a supporter of 2 survivors in an organisation of supporters, (linked to an organisation of professionals who have encountered r.a.), I feel very strongly that the strength which survivors I have met display in rejecting, day by day, the hate culture they were unwillingly immersed in, and in telling us what is going on, is an extraordinary demonstration of courage, and a beacon of hope for the rest of us. What info do you need to find more direct support?

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