RAT/MC Survivor Speeches

[Project Willow]

Several transcripts from the presentations at the 2005 Ritual Abuse and Mind <br>Control Conference are now available on the web :<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://members.aol.com/smartnews/CR05.htm">"http://members.aol.com/smartnews/CR05.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <br>Carol Rutz is a survivor of SRA and Government Mind Control Experiments. Her book "A Nation Betrayed" http://my.dmci.net/~casey/ tells the chilling true <br>story of secret Cold War experiments performed on innocent children and unsuspecting adults. She continues to work at endeavors which help to provide validation and healing for the survivor community. Her topic is : "Healing from Ritual <br>Abuse Torture and Mind Control: Why Finding Your Voice Can Make a Difference to You and Others."<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://members.aol.com/smartnews/WK05.htm">members.aol.com/smartnews/WK05.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Wanda Karriker, Ph.D., a retired psychologist, wrote the novel Morning, Come Quickly to share what she has learned both personally and professionally about ritual abuse, secretive organizations, and mind control torture. To try to <br>assure that her message reaches the widest audience possible, she has adapted the story for film. Her topic is: "The World Will Know! Words from a Hopeless <br>Optimist."<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://members.aol.com/smartnews/NB05.htm">members.aol.com/smartnews/NB05.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Neil Brick is a survivor of alleged Masonic Ritual Abuse and MK-ULTRA. He is the editor of S.M.A.R.T. - A Ritual Abuse Newsletter. He has published numerous articles on ritual abuse. His topic is: "How healing from ritual abuse and <br>mind control works. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=projectwillow@rigorousintuition>Project Willow</A> at: 8/12/05 3:37 pm<br></i>

[jenz]

thanks for posting these links. the urgent question which comes out of this is how the conspiracy of suppression of facts will be broken. <p></p><i></i>

[Project Willow]

Hi Jenz,<br>I wish I could answer that question. Everytime I am about to disclose, I feel the burden of the lack of evidence. It may take a concerted effort on behalf the survivor community to cause some crack, break, or leak. Perhaps it would only take one or two to be effective. I don't know, but we certainly need something like that to happen. We need to launch our own anti-perp op. <p></p><i></i>

[jenz]

What do you envisage? I'm not plying for the nuts and bolts of it, but trying to get an ideas debate going. to date, my small contribution, so small its barely significant at all, to that idea, has been to try to track down as much as I can know about the perps who have come to my attention and their cover operations. but even given the limited geographical range of the groups I'm talking about, there would need 10 of me to trawl effectively public records and internet records well enough to make headway. also I come slap up against the fact that when I hit a different country, say USA, where I think or guess or hypothesise there may be a link, I am stymied. the trouble with 'lack of evidence' is that 'evidence' is never likely to be found. a related debate, the one I first had in mind, is how do you get anyone to understand how the undermining of democratic organisations and lifestyles is effected through the application of ra techniques. even on these pages, I have the impression that many people are thinking, yes its terrible for those poor people, but 9/11 or election rigging or iraq is realy important stuff. How can the mechanics of it be shown to relate to the ordinary man or woman, who thinks that they could not possibly, ever, be directly affected. <p></p><i></i>

[Project Willow]

We need a hundred or a thousand folks doing what you do.<br>Maybe the first step is recruitment? <br>I do think there is much evidence to be found, including videotapes, but those are illegal to obtain. I think that as long as there are so few working, whatever we do needs to remain under the radar. We know from Franklin here in the US that as soon as anything looks like it could lead to serious and credible exposure, there is a body count.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I have the impression that many people are thinking, yes its terrible for those poor people, but 9/11 or election rigging or iraq is realy important stuff. How can the mechanics of it be shown to relate to the ordinary man or woman, who thinks that they could not possibly, ever, be directly affected.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I've often had the same question. Making that connection may be what could motivate people to help us expose these rings.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[jenz]

I'm still thinking about this one. Assembling and maintaining legally obtainable information is one approach, because its time consuming it needs more people. but the other thing, which cmes out of having read this discussion board for a short while is that the majority of people, even those attuned to para politics, and much more informed and better read than me, seem to sideline r.a., into a kind of academic discussion about the nature of ritual, or think of it as a useful way to point out the corruption of some well placed individuals. yet if I were to write a fiction about the transmogrification of moderately benign democratic states into totalitarianism, what better way than to seed every organisation with individuals whose allegiance to a different organisation could be absolutely guaranteed. and if this process, almost as a side effect, produced large sums of money, and allowed the disruption of opponents lives at will, how perfect an instrument it would be. Now that process is tainting the lives of every person, and because it is under cover, it is more dangerous. The deaths of David Kelly, and more recently the young electrician shot dead in the tube, raise doubts immediately. its enough in the public domaine to get noticed and be discussed. Is there another way, an additional way, apart from finding evidence, (which could always 'end' like the Dutroux case, in a phoney trial of a subordinate), of breaking the credibility barrier? not to subordinate research, but to try to open discussion up. <p></p><i></i>

[Project Willow]

Hi Jenz,<br>I did see that happening not too long ago, both here and even a little at DU, when the whole Gannon/Guckert issue erupted, but it never went far enough. I think the problem is we circle back towards the big wall of denial everytime. There is just something about the very nature of these crimes that causes people to avoid them. We've discussed the denial/pain issue at some length even on this forum. It may be that we will just have to loop that circle enough times until people become accustomed to landing on the subject of RAT.<br><br>There is always the question when people talk about the concentration of power and conspiracy about how these elites are connected. RAT and pedophile networks certainly can fill in a lot of those blanks. But how one would interject this narrative into an analysis without sufficient evidence is a difficult question. Otherwise we get guesses or generalizations about the Illuminati, and more excuses for people to turn their heads. I have to say though, Jeff has done a credible job in many cases when it comes to making these connections, as good as can be done with the information that exists.<br><br>Jeez, I hope that makes some sense. Bottom line is, I wish I had a good answer. <p></p><i></i>