by Dreams End » Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:26 pm
First off, I'm the one who had the "hijacked background". I since figured out what happened. It's the last thing to load on the page, and my connection was just really slow. But the interesting part was the synchronicity of that happening for the first and only time, right as I was reading a comment about the background. Anyway, it wasn't a scary incident. I just thought it was kinda cool. In fact, my "synchonicity stories" I've posted always have an affirming quality to them...not scary. It's like the universe saying, "Hey, hang in there...you're on the right track." See the thread on synchronicity stories for more examples.<br><br>But that's not your point. And your point is actually a good one.<br><br>I'll start by saying, though, that one reason I'm here...especially as it concerns RA kinda stuff is that my wife is DID and that this condition came from abuse. We've no evidence that it was anything other than old fashioned physical and sexual abuse from a family member or members (not that that itself is real comforting) but she has no memories really, of the abuse itself. Not trusting hypnosis, she's not going to go and yank them out of her subconscious, so it's a slow process and I kinda gather this information behind the scenes. We rarely talk about that aspect of things as I don't want to freak her out or risk "implanting" memories (though I don't think that's as easy to do as the FMSF would have us think. ) As a side note, she was reading Sinister Forces (probably not a good idea anyway) and came across the name of a General involved in the OSS (precursor to the CIA) and said, "Oh, he lived across from us when we lived in Rome." Shit. Turned out, whoever the General across the street was, it was not the guy from that book, who died before she was born. Whew.<br><br>But let us imagine, to stay on this theme a bit, that we are counselors at a sexual abuse agency of some kind, or are therapists. We help people recover from these events in their lives, but we don't take any social action, really, as our training suggests these things happen to individuals within individual families...and don't usually involve strangers and certainly not the entire nearby Masonic lodge or whatever.<br><br>Would we not, perhaps, take some additional actions, if we found that sometimes such abuse is used by larger groups or even by the government? And would we not risk harm if we were ignorant of this reality when a client turned up telling us these stories, by disbelieving her or attempting to rid her of her "delusions"? So, for this topic anyway, it's not about inducing fear, but opening up to a reality that may be critical to understand. But it's still fucking scary.<br><br>This is my analogy, then. While I think your concerns about "new age" groups being utilized to promote a sort of quietism or disengagement in effective political struggle is legitimate, I don't think that can be the whole story. Just go back to Qutb's thread about Sarfatti: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=517.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=517.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Look at the elaborate networks and foundations and the connections to the military industrial complex in just this one article. It's just way to complicated, in my view, just to be a plot to get people away from their local union halls, or whatever. There's something else up. What that is, exactly, I'm not sure, as this sort of thing seems to have been going on a long time without much result that I can discern, but, without knowing the goal, I can't really say if it's effective or not. (I'm going to start another thread later to invite people to speculate in an informed way as to what the hell all this is about.) The fact that there is clear involvement of Nazi types further reinforces my belief that there is something important going on here.<br><br>Now, if these forces that these guys are messing with are real and are being harnessed in some way for evil ends, that would be important to know. A purely materialistic interpretation of events won't really get you where you need to go. <br><br>But even if these forces aren't real, there's still something going on here under the surface...important in the sense that, if we don't really understand it, our actions may not be that effective or may even be playing into their hands. <br><br>Let me give you an example. I'm going to be really mean and actually name an organization that I have no evidence about, because it's important to the story. I apologize for that, and add the caveat that I don't have any definitive proof that the organization, Global Exchange, is somehow a psyop deal. I'm sincere in that apology, but I need to tell the story to make the point.<br><br>I've made several trips with a small UN NGO to Mexico for election monitoring activities, and once to visit with Marcos and the Zapatista's. (An image from my life...three in the morning sleeping just outside the jungle in a little village called La Realidad, I awake to see that the clouds have parted and the Comet Hyakutake is gorgeously stretched out in the heavens above. )<br><br>In these visits, we would often run across activists from Global Exchange. Always young women and they seemed always to have the same sort of earnest but rather glassy eyed affect. There was actually some suspicion of them by local activists in Chiapas, but I don't remember why...except maybe they just seem to show up at the right place and time a lot. Too well funded...something like that. Anyway, my friend and I started calling types such as this: Global Girls (so much for p.c.). It was sort of tongue in cheek, though we did have some genuine concerns about them. Some or our work was kind of sensitive and we did need to be security conscious. <br><br>I'd never heard of MKULTRA or Bluebird or any of that. One evening, we had dinner with a friend of ours...an American priest serving in Chiapas with Bishop Ruiz. We brought up our little "Global Girl" phrase and when we explained it to him, he very seriously began to talk about a friend of his who was a psychiatrist. This friend had starting running across so many cases of women who were uncovering memories of being abused on military bases and programmed to do various things, that he decided to write a book about it. (I don't remember the psychiatrist's name, nor do I know if he released the book.) <br><br>This was an eye opening experience for me. But it also suggested that I needed to adjust my understanding of how politics works a bit. And realize that this stuff goes deeper and gets weirder than I had imagined. <br><br>Now, does it really change your activism if you assume that some folks who get involved are little Manchurian candidates? I don't know, but to me, it was sort of like learning about Cointelpro and how that operates among activist groups.<br><br>Let's give another example that is purely hypothetical. Let's assume (and I don't really, but as an example) that the appearance of more contrails in the sky really is a result of aerial spraying by the government for some purpose. Let's go further and assume that part of the purpose is to seed various compounds in the air that allow people's minds to be more easily influenced and controlled. (I'm thinking of the Aquino Mindwar idea from another thread, though he only hinted at this possibility.) Well, if people are under the influence of this sort of thing, that would be important to know in order to take action. How would the action be different? Again, I don't know...and it doesn't suggest you have to stop the activities you engaged in before you knew this fact, but it does deepen your understanding of the challenge ahead.<br><br>Well, getting off the hypothetical "chemtrails" (great idea for data dump, by the way...is it a silly concern or is there something to it? I'm agnostic on that one, but I do resent how the trails clutter up the sky so often now, and they really do spread out and seem to settle toward the ground.). Your concern about the effect of RI is understandable. But FROM RI, I've learned about an agenda to do what you are worried about on a much larger scale. I think that part of the agenda is to keep the populace scared, confused and maybe even "programmed" in a sense. There were probably many agenda's for 9/11, for example. (Someone once said the CIA has a second reason for everything they do.) And it fucking worked, because my own wife's mental deterioration began on Sept. 11, 2001. It scared us. For those without background knowledge, it simply created a fear that could be exploited to fight the evil "terrorists", but for those with "eyes to see" it said something else: "We are really powerful and you have no chance against us. Look what we can do. Look how blatant this is. Look how no one else can see the obvious. "<br><br> I don't think we become less empowered by digging around 9/11, even though it does suggest that there is a very scary, sinister network out there and that they are really hard to get at directly. Still, I think I have a much more realistic idea of the way the world works (is run?) than I did a few years ago. <br><br>Now suppose, just SUPPOSE, for a minute, that these forces these elites seem to be working with are real. By the way, this is, as far as I can tell, really the heart of what RI is about, so if we aren't at least open to that idea, we won't be satisfied with our experience here. I think it is important to understand that as well. To understand that there are other levels of reality at work, perhaps. That it's not just about "capital" but it's also about power and that power has an allure and a functionality that goes beyond the material. <br><br>If this is true, we ignore this at our peril. If it's not true, we waste our time with such speculation and your concern turns out to be 100% correct. <br><br>Great discussion starter. I look forward to other comments. <p></p><i></i>