Zionism from the Standpoint of its Jewish victims

by **israelirealities** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:28 pm

<a href="http://www.ha-keshet.org.il/articles.asp?article_id=342">www.ha-keshet.org.il/arti...cle_id=342</a> The Real Sephardic Holocaust: Zionism from the Standpoint of its Jewish Victims Documentary Review: “The Ringworm Children” (2004) îø ãéåéã ùàùä The Real Sephardic Holocaust: Zionism from the Standpoint of its Jewish Victims Documentary Review: “The Ringworm Children” (2004) What if I were to tell you that the Arab government of Morocco in the 1950s forced 100,000 Jewish children to be rounded up and taken to a medical facility where they were given radiation treatments of 350 RAD for the ostensible treatment of ringworm? What would you do? What would the outcry be in the Jewish community? Would there be a feeding frenzy in the Jewish media and in the general media such as the New York Times which continues to feed the Jewish beast of the Holocaust on a regular basis? What would be said about Arabs and their incipient Anti-Semitism? To put this in some current perspective, we have recently learned that a new committee has been formed to link the 1941 riots in Baghdad known in Arabic as the FARHUD to the Nazi Holocaust. Steps are now underway to take an isolated if tragic event in Arab Jewish history where the total number of Jewish deaths was no more than 300 if that much and turn that event into a HOLOCAUST. This committee is bent on taking the FARHUD and making it a mandatory part of the Holocaust curriculum in the US. It is clear that the concern with demonizing the Arabs has become a malignant obsession for Arab Jews who wish to curry favor with the Ashkenazi establishment and serve the Israeli HASBARAH campaign that is such a crucial part of Jewish self-knowledge at present. How quickly do you think would word spread in the media of the near-homicidal treatment of 100,000 Jewish children by their Arab hosts? Would such a revelation make the FRONT PAGE of every newspaper in the US and Europe – and ISRAEL? You bet. So why have we not heard about these 100,000 Jewish victims of radiation treatment? The problem is that the radiation treatments were not administered by the Moroccans or any other ARAB government – these lethal treatments were administered by the ISRAELI DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH! “The Ringworm Children” is a brutal testament to the continued ASHKENAZI RACISM that has made the sojourn of the Sephardim in Israel one of the most shameful episodes in the history of our people. The story is simple if brutal: Many of the Ashkenazi Zionist officials were conflicted about immigration of Jews from the Arab world – particularly those from North Africa. Upon arrival to the newly created State in the 1950s, Sephardic Jews were subjected to various forms of official and social discrimination. They were sent to ma’abarot, transit camps for immigrants that became part of the ongoing debilitation of what were then called Benei Edot ha-Mizrah – the Oriental communities. To my knowledge the largest public scandal – outside of the institutionalized racism of the Zionist founders – involving the Sephardic immigrants was the famous case of the YEMENITE BABIES – a scandal that involved the kidnapping of Yemenite children by the medical authorities that provided the children for sale to Ashkenazi parents in Israel and Europe while their parents would be given death certificates and no corpses to bury. The scandal of the YEMENITE BABIES has been subject to years of hearings and committees but the real truth remains to be publicly uncovered. The recent revelations of the GAZEZET scandal make the YEMENITE BABIES issue pale in comparison. GAZEZET is the Hebrew term for ringworm.  Dr. Chaim Sheba, the first Surgeon General of Israel and an avowed racist who believed in the principles of using Eugenics as a social tool, was loath to accept the immigration from North Africa. Sheba demanded as a health official that any immigrants with family members who had health problems be barred from moving to Israel. And when the first immigrants came from Morocco, he demanded that they be treated for ringworm. As this scandal revolves around ringworm, a now easily treatable skin disease that is not very well known today, I quote from the American Cancer Society’s assessment of the disease’s threat in the period under question: The only established environmental risk factor for brain tumors is radiation. Before the risks of radiation were recognized, children with ringworm of the scalp (a fungal infection) often received low-dose radiation therapy, which substantially increased their risk of brain tumors in later life. As the experts make clear in the film, ringworm was a common childhood ailment along the lines of lice. The ringworm was caused by a communicable fungus that created irritations of the scalp. Old world treatments included unguents and vinegar. The disease though communicable was not fatal and would eventually go away of its own accord. Radiation treatments were sadly more dangerous than the disease itself. Dr. Sheba, according to his writings, became obsessed with this ringworm issue in regard to the North African immigrants. In his role as a public health minister he demanded that all North African children be sent to health centers to receive RADIATION THERAPY. As the film points out, the regimen of forced radiation based on eugenics was on the wane in the US after the revelations of Nazi experiments in the Concentration Camps and the vast scientific evidence from Japan after the nuclear devastation in 1945. The scientific community by 1952 was well aware of the dangers of radiation and the short and long-term impact of this type of treatment on individuals – especially children. Dozens of lawsuits were being settled in the US courts with compensatory damages being awarded to the victims of these cruel experiments. This did not deter Dr. Chaim Sheba – the Josef Mengele of Israel. He went to the US on a fundraising mission to get radiation machines – X-Ray machines from a company named Picker that continues to do business in Israel – and the funds to administer a mass program of radiation of these Sephardic children.  According to the relevant documentation the 1948-1955 budget of the radiation program was 300,000,000 Israeli Pounds. The entire budget of the Israeli Health Ministry for the same period was 60,000,000 Pounds – the 300,000,000 figure was more than the ENTIRE BUDGET for the same period. Where did all the money come from to administer this evil project?The film sets out the tantalizing but unsubstantiated idea that the Israeli government took money from the US government which was interested in continuing its medical research through experimentation, but could not legally do so. Israel, a poor and fragile young country, would be a perfect place to conduct these experiments. This sense of experimentation fit in well with the Ashkenazi Zionist establishment’s racist policies and attitudes towards Sephardim. Sheba merely acted on the racist value system of the Ashkenazi establishment in setting out his eugenics program to deal with the GAZEZET. In “The Ringworm Children” we see how Sheba was able to conduct his evil machinations. With the obvious complicity of the medical community, health professionals and political figures, Sheba forced over 100,000 Sephardic children into various medical centers throughout the country to undergo radiation treatments that were in the range of 350 RAD per application – and many of the victims were given repeated applications. According to the eyewitness testimony presented by victims in the film, no precautionary measures were undertaken – no screens or special clothing to protect the children. This policy included having no health professional in the room while the radiation was being administered – as those workers knew the dangers of such massive doses of radiation – in the realm of HIROSHIMA-like numbers. Parents of the children were told that their children were being taken on a day trip – and were charged for the trip! Hundreds of doctors and nurses conducted these treatments under the auspices of the Israel National Socialized Health system and yet the records of these treatments have disappeared and according to the film remain unavailable to the victims – many of whom continue to suffer with brain tumors, cancers, epilepsy, sterility, cerebral palsy and other nefarious and debilitating diseases. In 1994, a committee was formed to bring this issue to the attention of the Israeli government and legal apparatus. A swirl of lawsuits and actions were undertaken with a stonewalling on the part of the Israeli establishment. Experts presented by the government were connected to the Health Establishment including Professor Baruch Modan who seemed to have held the files of many of the victims. Modan died of a heart attack while the campaign was going on – he appears in the film before his death and at a town hall meeting provides the victims with no substantial information on his knowledge and the mass of materials that he had in his possession from the early 1960s. The film implies that Modan may well have had knowledge of secret dealings between the US and Israeli governments. There is little question that the dangers of radiation therapy were known at the time of the Sheba applications. In 1952 the International Atomic Commission had presented guidelines for the application of radiation treatment which recommended a one-time dosage of no more than .3 RAD while Sheba had ordered dosages – sometimes multiple – of 350 RAD!Sheba is a criminal of Mengele-like proportions – of this there is no doubt. All those who participated in the execution of the program were also guilty of serious malfeasance. Those who have continued to cover this up for the government and legal institutions of Israel – many of them are actually interviewed in the film – are also indirectly responsible for crimes against the Sephardic victims of this barbarity on the part of the Ashkenazi Zionists. There are a number of issues that emerge from the film: · There is the foundational and perpetual anti-Sephardi racism that permeates the Ashkenazi community – in the West and in Israel. Such racism has allowed the plight of the GAZEZET victims to fester with no public outcry or even a mention in the American media. · The criminal sense of racial superiority that enabled this to happen is a basic part of the Zionist phenomenon. If this is what Ashkenazim do to their fellow JEWS, what won’t they scruple to do to NON-JEWS? · What of justice for the victims? There is the issue of full disclosure of the medical files that might save the lives of those who have been lucky enough to survive this cruelty. And then there is the issue of full adjudication of claims and compensation for the victims and their families. · How is it possible that a prestigious hospital complex is named after Chaim Sheba? Should not a public campaign to remove his name from the hospital be created? · And finally, what of the children and grandchildren of the victims who are now dealing with a truly genetic catastrophe of the highest proportion. Ironically, by asserting that Sephardim were a (eu)gene(t)ic danger to the Ashkenazim of Israel when they were nothing of the sort, the racist Sheba did in fact create genetic health issues for many generations of Sephardic Jews in Israel. As any politically-aware Sephardi knows, the criterion for assessing Ashkenazi culpability in all matters of malfeasance is extremely high – so high that many of the victims are shown in the film as being completely amazed by the standards that were demanded of the victims to prove their claims. Such is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the standards that have been set for claimants of Nazi abuse. We can recall no setting of any STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS for Holocaust claims while such limitations are placed on the GAZEZET victims. Ashkenazim do not hold themselves to the same standards when they are accused of being the perpetrators of criminal activity as they do for those who they claim have committed crimes against them! So while we sit here watching the FARHUD committee of foolhardy and naive Sephardic Jews who are more Ashkenazi than Sephardi, the matter of the GAZEZET remains a closed book to the American Jews and a nightmare for those Sephardim in Israel who must feel that no one cares about them at all As they watch the repeated claims of the Holocaust survivors fill the pages of the US and European media and the ongoing schnorring and infighting between Jewish groups to get the HOLO-CASH from Germany, Switzerland and the rest, these poor and sick Sephardim have no one of influence to help them make their case. Since “The Ringworm Children” was aired by Israel’s Channel 10 in August 2004 not one single article has come out in the US media – the articles by Aryeh Dayan in Haaretz and the controversial Barry Chamish review, both of which were included in our Sephardic Heritage Update, were printed in Israeli publications – the SHU being the only Sephardic journal in the WORLD that continues to advocate on behalf of Sephardic rights and justice for the Sephardim.  The film is now being screened in the US by LINK TV, a small and relatively obscure non-profit San Francisco-based group of radical hippie-types who are concerned with social justice for Third World peoples. The station is not carried by any US cable systems and no announcement of the screenings has been made in any US media outlet. The question you the reader must ask yourself is, WHY IS SUCH A STATE OF AFFAIRS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? · How long must we accept the depredations and the brutal racism of the ASHKENAZIM that is reflected by the official organs of the Jewish world – and reinforced by the common accusation from Ashkenazim that such RACISM DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. · How long must I be told by Ashkenazim and Uncle Tom Sephardim that I am myself a racist and that I am creating unneeded divisiveness in a Jewish community looking for POSITIVE ways to create a healthy and vibrant society? · How many cancellations have I received on my newsletter e-mail list from ASHKENAZI RACISTS who have blithely and with great pretense and arrogance served to demonize me for my writings and my social activism? · How much have I personally and professionally been threatened – by friends and enemies alike – and called upon to – as they tell me – LAY OFF THE ZIONISM? I am here to say that after we all take the time to understand and internalize the full scope of what happened to the GAZEZET victims – all 100,000 of them – we will all be able to more clearly see ASHKENAZI RACISM for what it is and be free to do something about it. Ashkenazim have wisely formed a unified front to protect their communal interests. We see advocacy groups popping up each and every day to deal with issues that trouble that community. But when dealing with JUSTICE FOR SEPHARDIM we have ZERO – NOTHING to help our own people. “The Ringworm Children” is a film that is brilliantly executed and fully realized. It is a masterpiece of social activism that tells a story that is at the very existential and political core of the Zionist project and the massive wrongs and injustices that it has wrought against people of Middle Eastern extraction.  As Sephardim we must get our heads out of the proverbial sand and DO SOMETHING to protect our brothers and our communal interests. We must stop demonizing our real leaders and activists and finally accept that we need to respond in a forceful way to he Ashkenazim who have done all this to us. “The Ringworm Children” will be broadcast on LINK TV this Thursday, March 17. This Article was taked from the "Sephardic Heritage Update" no. 48 . 16 March 2005 David Shasa is the Editor of the: "Sephardic Heritage Update" (Weekly Internet News). If you wish to have an e-mail address added to our (free) list please contact: davidshasha@aol.com

by **slimmouse** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:37 pm

Nice link IR. I read this ages ago, and was gonna post it on here, but I thought "why the hell bother lol ?" But since its here, I wondering. Does anyone else here have the courage to address the real roots of the Current Israeli populus, or the Original roots of "judaism" for that matter. Egyptian king TutMOSES 3rd springs to mind. I quite frankly cant be bothered. Ive had more than my fair share of the Anti semitic / fascist smears thrown in my direction. Its either petty and its truly pathetic, or of course its extremely clever - I go for the latter, and further suggest that much of the discussion on here is intended that way - The mother of all Red Herrings. The fact is that i KNOW. I guess that will have to do for me. Just let the Khazzars and their gatekeepers and sympathisers get on with it. For anyone else, I guess its just a case of finding out for yourselves. Dont post it on here, after all youre only 2 mouseclicks away etc etc........

by **israelirealities** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:32 pm

Slimmouse, I don't know that this has any connection to the points you raise. Such evils are happening in the USA often, and I suppose elsewhere around the globe. It is very sad that it happens in Israel as well, but I doubt that's because of Tut.

by **slimmouse** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:01 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>It is very sad that it happens in Israel as well, but I doubt that's because of Tut.<hr></blockquote> Im sorry IR. Youve obviously misunderstood me. I was thinking more of WHO the current Israelis really are, or indeed who the Original 12 tribes were. Of course theirs evil in Israel, America, and Britain. Guess what ? For all peoples attempts to spin it to other dimensions, its all instigated essentially by the same few.

by **bamabecky** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:00 pm

to me by dbeach. I came over to check it out. I don't think I like what I see here - especially the "snooty intellectual" source police. A picture is worth a 1000 words. In this case pictures brought forth 1000 plus more jibberish words. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Just let the Khazzars and their gatekeepers and sympathisers get on with it. For anyone else, I guess its just a case of finding out for yourselves.<hr></blockquote> The eugenics fits right in with the NWO plan. These people have no empathy or feelings for their fellow man. They are extreme racists. It's sad what happened to the ring-worm children. It's sad what happened in New Orleans. It's all connected at the roots. I have found out a lot of things for myself (just a case of finding our for yourselves). The rest of you can go hang on to your sources, and hang on real tight! You sound like the fundamentalist hanging on to their Bibles for authority and truth. So much for new posters with no credibility.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> Bama Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.

by **Dreams End** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:35 pm

Hello IR. Interesting article. My first thought was to compare to the radiation experiments here. I don't know what was being shut down in the 50's but the full extent of radiation testing on unsuspecting victims was not known until about 10 years ago or so. I think at least two facilities in my home state participated. The number of cases actually exposed is far less than 100,000 but who knows what the real numbers are. An expose forced the Department of Energy to put info about it on their website: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Published on August 17, 1995, Human Radiation Experiments Associated with the U.S. Department of Energy and its Predecessors ("The Experiments List"<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> describes over 400 human radiation experiments associated with DOE and its predecessors. The summaries describe a wide range of experiments conducted from the early 1940s through the early 1970s.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.eh.doe.gov/ohre/roadmap/index.html">www.eh.doe.gov/ohre/roadmap/index.html</a> Notice that these particular experiments continued into the 70's. I am not familiar with such experiments being eugenics based, and the eugenics based ones, according to your article, were terminated in the forties and fifties. That said, I don't actually know what purpose those tests were supposed to serve but I'm wondering if these are a DIFFERENT set of tests from the ones discussed in your article. As to this: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> the Israeli government took money from the US government which was interested in continuing its medical research through experimentation, but could not legally do so. <hr></blockquote> First, I'd love more details on the US experiments if they are different from the ones written about in the expose of the 90's. Secondly, I do tend to see Israel as a client state of the US, not the other way around. This does not excuse any evil that is done, but it's quite important tactically when discussing international politics. If one assumes Israel is the heart of problems IN ONE'S OWN COUNTRY then a lot of energy and time is wasted missing some very obvious targets. In fact, I think that, if I could open up the files of whoever really runs the show, there'd be a whole file cabinet on how to put an anti-Semitic overlay to credible information in order to mislead honest truth seekers. I've wasted enough time on it myself to know that it's effective. I'm also interested in the Ashkenazi/Sephardic conflict...if such conflict still exists today. How does that play out in every day life? How in politics? and to bama: you know, I don't know how to respond to someone who thinks that asking for a source for controversial claims is unreasonable. Is it your contention that folks should just write any claims they want without some kind of evidence?

by **slimmouse** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:34 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The rest of you can go hang on to your sources, and hang on real tight! You sound like the fundamentalist hanging on to their Bibles for authority and truth. So much for new posters with no credibility.<hr></blockquote> Apologies Becky. I dont wish to stop anyone from finding out or speaking their truth as they see it. I just get tired of the associated abuse lol. You might try Arthur Koestlers "13th tribe" for more on the Ashkenazics. Of course youre probably not likely to get a DNA test to prove too many of his claims, but his contentions sound reasonable as far as Im concerned. One things for sure, it would fit into the Eurasian Nazi theme. Something which also fits in nicely with the "100,000 radiations" story, the Bush/ Nazi / Eugenics themes etc. As for the Tutmoses stuff, thats a different ballpark. Id really need to come back to you with a definitive source. And of course rather like my take on Jesus, this is even more controversial, since it contradicts what is written in the good book - which in itself is often based in many parts on stories that predate the bible by thousands of years. Again this takes a leap of faith, but it all sounds right to me. I'll give you some more info on my sources when I get them correctly prioritised. Perhaps ive just gotten too fed up with the "official version" of anything these days - From science, to history, to politics, to religion to just about everything. Perhaps I need a reality check myself <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> . Unfortunately thats what 40 years of believing the lies of the official sources can do to someone lol. Meanwhile, Im wondering if there are any other classical scholars out there ? I went to a talk last night, and had my breath taken away when I was shown a picture ( via a powerpoint presentation) of a woman from ancient legend called Hyapatia or something very similar. If there was ever a case for reincarnation vis a vi Princess Diana, or of history moving in cycles then I really cant think of a better one. This was apparently an incredibly wonderful woman, who was eventually ritually slaughtered by shell flailing. Unfortunately A search on google is swamped with some sex porn goddess or other - Does anyone else know more about the mythical Hypatia / Hyapatia ? Im not beaten on this one yet, and perhaps when I get more specific info, Ill be able to find more myself

by **dbeach** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:53 pm

'"Ashkenazi " thats a scary word I also heard of this institutionalized govt abuse in Israel of kids and wonder about the vaccines that my kids have had and what I had as a kid. and am scared when I hear that a forced vaccine chicken flu vacccine is a bush plan and a stockholder named donald rumsfeld owns millions of shares of tamiflu. Makes me wonder??? HI BAMA U R SMOKIN!!

by **bamabecky** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:51 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Apologies Becky. I don’t wish to stop anyone from finding out or speaking their truth as they see it. I just get tired of the associated abuse lol.<hr></blockquote> Me too!  You don't owe me an apology. You did not slap me down. I enjoy reading your well-informed, logical and balanced posts. I learn from you! My post was really about your other thread (and my links to Portland indymedia photos) not this one, but the themes are identical. You are gentle with your handling of neophytes, enjoying the discourse, assisting others minds to S T R E T C H, open and become less rigid (polemic - new word you guys taught me). <blockquote>Quote:<hr>You might try Arthur Koestlers "13th tribe" for more on the Ashkenazics.<hr></blockquote> Thank you. I'm familiar with the term from listening to www.Meria.net interviews. She is also a fantastic teacher. I understand the underlying significance between the Abrahamic and the Ashkenazi (Sp?) Jews. The later chose to become Jewish, rather than being born through the bloodline. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Unfortunately that’s what 40 years of believing the lies of the official sources can do to someone lol.<hr></blockquote> I understand completely. Those are my sentiments exactly. Bama Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.

by **anotherdrew** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:21 am

Killed by lunatic power-mad so-called-but-not-really christians. She was living in very similar times to us I fear. Hypatia taught the truth as best as may be, and was killed for it like all the rest. That's one way to judge people's words, do the men in power fear and hate them? If so, they're likely true. Hypatia's story was also told in brief in Carl Sagan's Cosmos series. == <img src="http://pages.prodigy.net/fljustice/faith_pics/hypatia.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Hypatia of Alexandria was the first woman to make a substantial contribution to the development of mathematics. Hypatia was the daughter of the mathematician and philosopher Theon of Alexandria and it is fairly certain that she studied mathematics under the guidance and instruction of her father. It is rather remarkable that Hypatia became head of the Platonist school at Alexandria in about 400 AD. There she lectured on mathematics and philosophy, in particular teaching the philosophy of Neoplatonism. Hypatia based her teachings on those of Plotinus, the founder of Neoplatonism, and Iamblichus who was a developer of Neoplatonism around 300 AD. Plotinus taught that there is an ultimate reality which is beyond the reach of thought or language. The object of life was to aim at this ultimate reality which could never be precisely described. Plotinus stressed that people did not have the mental capacity to fully understand both the ultimate reality itself or the consequences of its existence. Iamblichus distinguished further levels of reality in a hierarchy of levels beneath the ultimate reality. There was a level of reality corresponding to every distinct thought of which the human mind was capable. Hypatia taught these philosophical ideas with a greater scientific emphasis than earlier followers of Neoplatonism. She is described by all commentators as a charismatic teacher. <a href="http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Hypatia.html"> - link 1</a>

by **anotherdrew** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:50 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>bamabecky - "significance between the Abrahamic and the Ashkenazi (Sp?) Jews"<hr></blockquote> Another fine point is that the current Rabinical system is a stand-in for the Line of true high priests, which is extinct. So I've been told anyway. As for this topic of the X-ray machines, the U.S. government would want to keep this quiet as much as the Israeli's would. this government "openness" report doesn't list anything sponsored in Israel, but it's full of broken links and seems to be missing the "other" section in the experiments by location list of locations... so... <a href="http://www.eh.doe.gov/ohre/roadmap/achre/"> Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments</a> Here's some other info: Medical X rays Treatments for benign diseases and cosmetic effects: Beauty parlor treatments for removal of unwanted facial and body hair. "Some of the most valuable information about the biological effects of high doses of radiation comes from studies of large groups of people needlessly irradiated for such minor problems as ringworm and acne. 'Female problems', physical and mental, were thought to respond particularly well to radiation." [Catherine Caufield, Multiple Exposures, p. 15] <a href="http://www.powells.com/biblio?inkey=16-0226097854-0&PID=29413&PID=29413">link to book published by University of Chicago Press</a>

by **israelirealities** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:32 am

Hi DE, sure here: 1. glossary first for those people here who don't know - Ashkenaz is the hebrew word for (germany) Western Europe, meaning, Jews originating in Central Europe are called "Ashkenazi". Jews who migrated and settled in North Africa, Middle East, and Spain/Portugal/Italy - are called Sepharadi/Mizrahi, literally meaning - from Spain of Eastern Jews. The Eastern Jews are usually darker/blacker skin. 2. The ethnic conflict in ISrael is still ongoing, although it took a turn or various turns. Factually, Mizrahi Jews are poorer, less educated, less employed, more of them in prisons, a little bit like the Black situation in America, although different. There is 25% mixed marriage rate, which could actually mean that the division is going to be history in a century, but that being said, still does not eliminate the cultural conflict. 3. The article I brought is from the website of a fairly new ISraeli movement of radical left non zionist mizrahi Jews, who pose an intellectual critique of ZIonism as being mostly an Ashkenazi (namely, Western Jewish) ideology that not only oppresses Palestinians but is part of the western colonialism against anything non western. It is also a peace movement. They are small, but like good radical intellectuals are quite present in academia especially outside of Israel. They kind of present a version of Edward Said analysis applied to inter Jewish/ISraeli discourse, Very creative movement, not extremely popular..:-) 4. The radiation issue - very similar to your radiation abuses, however the government never admitted this was intentional experiment, they keep saying it was malpractice at most, and even not that, rather this was "acceptable medical treatment AT THAT TIME". You can judge from the article whether and to what extent this is a sincere response. 5. Was this a military US experiment ? it is possible. More evidence will have to support it. 6. My take on it - the US nazis from the military, nasa and what not are strongly present in Israel, via budgets, bribes and what not.I will not exempt the people who collaborate and espouse their racist views here in ISrael. These are adults, mostly qualified scientists who agreed to be bribed and adopt actually nazi ideologies and turn it against "dark" Jews or blacks or themselves. (qua JEws). 7. Its much bigger than it appears. 8. I DON"T think Israel has any influence on the occurrence of these experiments in the USA, they were there before ISrael eixsted. The USA brought it over here, it festered, it incubated, it grew and now ISrael is participating as well in the streeing of it. Does it matter who brought it and who is to blame for the beginning ? I doubt it. I would rather focus on the present. I think it is horrible that Jews inflict these Nazi atrocities on other Jews, especially having the holocaust as a warning, and not heeding it.

by **israelirealities** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:44 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Here's some other info: Medical X rays Treatments for benign diseases and cosmetic effects: Beauty parlor treatments for removal of unwanted facial and body hair. "Some of the most valuable information about the biological effects of high doses of radiation comes from studies of large groups of people needlessly irradiated for such minor problems as ringworm and acne. 'Female problems', physical and mental, were thought to respond particularly well to radiation." [Catherine Caufield, Multiple Exposures, p. 15] link to book published by University of Chicago Press<hr></blockquote> HEY, THANKS MUCHO, VERY VERY USEFUL LINK.

by **slimmouse** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:53 am

The actual image I was shown on the power point was this one ; <a href="http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/PictDisplay/Hypatia.html" target="top">www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/PictDisplay/Hypatia.html</a> I cant get the image to show here. But just go look at the pic. Particularly the RHS one, and then compare it to any similarly profiled pic of Princess Di. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> Id much appreciate any of you techos out there, who can get the pic up - Thanks <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 11/9/05 9:00 am

by **anotherdrew** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:07 am

<img src="http://www.biography-and-biographies.com/Royalty/280px-Diana,_Princess_of_Wales.jpg" style="border:0;"/><img src="http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/BigPictures/Hypatia_2.jpeg" style="border:0;"/> that was the nearest profile of di I could find quickly.

Zionism from the Standpoint of its Jewish victims

Zionism from the Standpoint of its Jewish victims

Re: Anyone with the courage ?

Re: Anyone with the courage ?

Re: Anyone with the courage ?

This place was recomended

Re: This place was recomended

Re: This place was recomended

Re: This place was recomended

Hi Slimmouse

Re: Hypatia

Re: Hi Slimmouse

Re: This place was recomended

Re: Hi ANOTHERDREW

Re: many Thanks Drew.

oh... ok, here they are...

Who is online