Israel as an Extension of American Empire

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:09 pm

Wasn't making such a statement. Merely intuiting that the ROOTS of the problems are much older than America itself, as an idea, and therefore go deeper. I'd say they're likely "based" in American, simply because of Funding. Of course, America, like all the empires in the last thousand years or so, is completely owned by a handful of folks who own every other country too, so I think "America" doesn't do any of these things, but is merely the "Beast" on which this whore rides today, so to speak.

by **israelirealities** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:24 pm

HH, totally. these are two different, converging layers of reality. Eric, we are all vassals for the lord americus at this time, my conclusion is that one does better with a greencard or citizenship to formalize the relationship. REgretfully, i never bothered doing it, didn't realize it was important and i had a work permit... Its like during the UK mandatory rule over Palestine, the natives had less human rights and civil rights, even in her majesty's court of law. Under such protectorate, one does better with full citizenship even if living in the colony among the natives.

by **eric144** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:36 pm

HH Yes, but the USA is a particularly unpleasant branch. The elite are completely barbaric, unfettered as they are by any allegiance to anything apart from themselves. They have no humility, faith in God, humanity or code of honour to constrain them. The same ethos as their nazi predecessors. The United States treatment of natives and blacks was worse than the British empire because America is a country whose foundation is Darwinian commerce not liberty, God or anything else. IR, the problem is that American citizens are now discovering they are the enemy of their own 'government'

by **israelirealities** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>the problem is that American citizens are now discovering they are the enemy of their own 'government'<hr></blockquote> Eric, i'll take the role of the devil's advocate here, I think americans are for the first time facing what other nations lived with and acquired humility. What I found unique in the USA is a bit familiar from ISrael, when people think that "they found the trick", rather the eternal safeguard against some sort of evil. We call it here "discovering America", in irony. freedom is not something you can secure forever, once you devise a tool, the powers of control will find the bypass, much like the way viruses become always immune and the game goes on forever. If you speak to Italians, for instance, they are much more realistic and down to earth when it comes to politics, knowing the limitations, remembering Mussolini, having the Sicilian mafia, having the vatican..no wonder machiavelli wrote his treatment there. Same everywhere. The Americans will learn, depends how hard a lesson is required, that despite a nice constitution and a lot of money and creative people, the shaddow is always as big as the body creating it. True, the lack of nobility in the USA, which was its greatest asset, now turns against it, everything good will show its downside. But there are no predictions, i think, as to the outcome. However, this is not consolation to those who suffer at the hands of the barbarians. ie Fallujah, and many more people in my region. A news=service here today informed that Rumsfeld, in a private talk with Mofaz, said that bashar assad is the devil...and should be ousted. More suffering coming this way. the funny bit of news was that Mofaz tried to speak in favor of Assad, placing him in proportions saying perhaps he is not that bad. I think Israel is now a little concerned with the independent zeal, coming from the administration, to "change the regimes" all over.

by **eric144** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:41 pm

IR Yes, like any psycopathic entity the USA has directed its anger outward. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>freedom is not something you can secure forever<hr></blockquote> True, but I happen to believe Americans fell for the same nationalistic nonsense that makes people die for the benefit of crooks the world over. Ordinary Americans had more freedom and self determination under British than American rule. Slavery would have been abolished (without a civil war fought for other reasons) and millions of natives would have been saved from slaughter.

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:22 pm

I don't disagree as to the abilities of the American insitutions to engage in barbaric crimes. I think it is a sign of the old "power corrupts" meme. I do disagree that America would've been "better" under British rule, as from what I can tell, the worst of the "british" rulers were the ones who became the "founding fathers" of America. I don't view them as being distinct from one another, seeing rather a simple infowar/psyop explanation for the "revolution" in America, as the citizens were traded to other British masters who took a new name, but continued, even worsened, the policies from before. Accordingly, the Civil war was largely instigated by vested outside interests, with actual "americans" making nil profit from the conflict, comparitively. I see the same pattern ongoing today. I don't think "America" is any more "real" than any other nation has ever been, the soverignty of nations being just another clever ruse in the banking bag of tricks/system of control. I think America has given "them" the ability to wage war on unprecedented scales, but I don't think "Americans" themselves benefit whatsoever from these conflicts, rather the reverse. I do not distinguish between "governments" as to me, they are all "in debt", therefore legally owned, by the same group of people. There is no body of citizens in the world that would make these informed choices without manipulation and/or bullying, as such, I am cautious to think in Nationalist terminologies as regards these ongoing plots to enslave ALL.

by **eric144** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:40 pm

"I do disagree that America would've been "better" under British rule" The founding fathers broke away from the civilizing influence of the British government and ruled by themselves. The massive increase in slavery and genocide followed. British rule was necessarily very loose and my understanding is that self determination fuelled by real radicalism was thriving. I'm not suggesting that eighteenth century British rule was benificent in any way, just better than what followed. All you have to do is look at Canada (or Britain for that matter) to see a more humane society. The difference being that Canada is still part of the British Commonwealth. It seems to me that the centralised federal monster was the original plan (Jefferson sold out for the capital being in Virginia) and it was a bad one. The problem with America as I see it is primarily the narcissistic and frightening self love of Americans for their country. They really believe what it says in the constitution and declaration of independence is the reality <blockquote>Quote:<hr> do not distinguish between "governments" as to me, they are all "in debt", therefore legally owned, by the same group of people. There is no body of citizens in the world that would make these informed choices without manipulation and/or bullying, as such, I am cautious to think in Nationalist terminologies as regards these ongoing plots to enslave ALL. <hr></blockquote> Excellent and completely true, agaimn my argument is that the worst of that today can be seen in the USA .

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:46 pm

Oh yes, there was "real" fervor in the hearts of american colonials fighting the redcoats, but I see it as akin to the "fervor" of Al Qaeda fighting Americans, if you get my drift... And I agree that Canada and Britain are more placid and "civilized" in a general sense, but I think this has more to do with the choices of the "real" rulers of America, and its CAPACITY for destruction (our industrial base is simply bigger, especially after ww2 bankrupted and demolished most of the rest of the world) which is somewhat larger than that of the Canadians or the British. I think though, that if you moved all the Canadians here back, then and vice versa, you'd have the same general state of affairs today, with this middle part of North America, using its unique position to dominate global affairs. We were indeed "designed" to become the Great Babylon, or whatever.

by **eric144** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:06 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>We were indeed "designed" to become the Great Babylon, or whatever.<hr></blockquote> Designed by masons as it happens like the French revolution. I was talking about internal politics, but yes American power was inevitable once the merchants had taken over. From here it still looks like America is basically a fascist state (run by the same merchant class) with unfettered barbarism I posited earlier. Fascist because the merchants/politicians gave themselves all the power and money. 1% own 90% of the USA I believe.

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:15 pm

( 93% ) The Great Whore is even our symbol(Liberty). All of this is an ongoing "game" created by the old illuminists and rosicrucians, some probably even for good reasons and/or positive goals, but as is often the case, when it comes down to it, the bad kill the good and take their plans for their personal benefit. As far as "internal" politics in America goes, well, we almost don't even reallly need politics, as the average american is too busy working all day and all night to ever pay attention to anything political. We don't even really have the illusion of opposition anymore. Most people I know aren't even "fooled" anymore, they just don't have time to care/do anything about it, if they'd like to feed their family this week...

by **eric144** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:20 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>As far as "internal" politics in America goes, well, we almost don't even reallly need politics, as the average american is too busy working all day and all night to ever pay attention to anything political. We don't even really have the illusion of opposition anymore. Most people I know aren't even "fooled" anymore, they just don't have time to care/do anything about it, if they'd like to feed their family this week... <hr></blockquote> Excellent again and sounds exactly right, the best way to stop people causing trouble is to keep them busy. Much the same here, but again (to be honest) not as bad. It's a spiritual catastrophe.

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:22 pm

That, and that the only ones who do have time to do something about it, are the ones who aren't busy, i.e. the ones who benefit from it being this way, the 1-3%.

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