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by **kornholio** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:07 pm

> Sure, but it's largely Jewish Neocon economics that controls the industrialised world. What, pray tell, is "Jewish Neocon economics?" How does it differ from, say, free market economics? > It was born in the University of Chicago with such > luminaries as Milton Friedman the inventor of > monetarism, Kristol, Perle, Wolwowitz, Feith etc. It > gaved rise to Thatcher and Reagan. What do any of the neocons have to do with monetarism or Milton Friedman? Is the fact that they're all Jewish supposed to make it self-evident?

by **scollon** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:42 pm

"What, pray tell, is "Jewish Neocon economics?" " It's the rabid extreme right wing monetarist economics promulgated by neocons (who seem to be largely Jewish) . You really should educate yourself . "What do any of the neocons have to do with monetarism or Milton Friedman? Is the fact that they're all Jewish supposed to make it self-evident? " What I said before,they all come from the University of Chicago, these neocon gangster thugs who destroyed the Chilean and British economies after the CIA coups in both of those countrries (Pinochet and Thatcher who were buddies). They all support rabid society and people destroying social and economic policies often through the World bank and IMF. Wolwowitz is in the ideal place to do maximum damage. Add in George Soros and his 'liberalisation' of Eastern Europe including the Jewish 'oligarch' gangsters who stole the Russian oil industry and more (Khodorvsky et al) and you see a pattern emerge. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 12/12/05 5:44 pm

by **scollon** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:32 pm

Neocon economics includes large scale privatisation, the theft of publcly owned assets at knock down prices by the private sector. Chile, Britain, Russia and Argentina are excellent examples Basically anything that involves the IMF and World Bank or criminal leaders like Thatcher, Major, Blair, Pinochet, Yeltsin, Reagan, Bush. It is also characterised by a massive shift of wealth from the poor to the rich, virtually every first world country has seen that in the last twenty five years. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 12/12/05 6:35 pm

by **kornholio** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:24 pm

So you're just talking about neoliberal economics, the dominant elite dogma of the better part of the last century, yet you dub it "Jewish neocon economics" because a) Milton Friedman -- not a neoconservative, not the founder of the "Chicago School" or of neoliberal economics, and generally identified as a libertarian -- is Jewish and b) Paul Wolfowitz, who has no more ties to Friedman than any other right winger, got his doctorate at Chicago? So two Jewish guys were once at the U. of Chicago at the same time and thus you name the global economic order after them. One might say that's overstating their importance just a tad.

by **scollon** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:07 pm

The two economic philosophies are intertwined, and virtually identical. That is Neo- liberalism and neocon gangster economics. It wasn't just Wolwowitz but other neocons such as Kristol, Perle etc came from U of Chicago. "So you're just talking about neoliberal economics, the dominant elite dogma of the better part of the last century" Isn't that just a great big lie you just told there ? I sense the four (or is it five now) headed beast at work. "not the founder of the "Chicago School" or of neoliberal economics, and generally identified as a libertarian" Milton Friedman - Considered the leader of the Chicago school of monetary economics, and perhaps the leading libertarian economist. <a href="http://www.intellectualconservative.com/page1007.html">www.intellectualconservat...e1007.html</a> Is that another great big lie ? My flesh is starting to creep again. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 12/12/05 8:09 pm

by **kornholio** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:43 pm

As far as I can tell, Irving Kristol went to CCNY, Bill Kristol went to Harvard twice, Perle went to Southern Cal and Princeton, and Feith went to Harvard and Georgetown. What are you talking about? And what difference would it make if more had gone to Chicago? Of course Milton Friedman is a famous, very influential right-leaning economist. He didn't originate neoliberal economic theory or the "Chicago school" and he has nothing to do with the neocons. Why are you bringing him up other than that he's Jewish? Yes, I think neoliberal interventionism describes US foreign policy since WWII (at least) better than any other "-ism" I can think of, and certainly better than the "Jews pulling the strings" theory. How is that a big lie? re: "four headed beast" -- what, you think every poster on this board who doesn't immediately agree that "the Jews" are controlling everything behind the scenes is actually the same disinformation agent? Really?

by **scollon** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:15 am

"The baby-faced Richard Perle, who chairs the Defense Policy Board, waited out the Vietnam War at the University of Chicago." <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_Perle">www.sourcewatch.org/index...hard_Perle</a> It wa sKristol's mentor and the godfather of neoconservatism Leo Strauss who taught at the University of Chicago. That is an even bigger connection. "Yes, I think neoliberal interventionism describes US foreign policy since WWII (at least) better than any other "-ism" I can think of" Well apart from the fact the sentence is gibberish, you cannot completely change what you originally said and avoid being called creepy. Were Jimmy Carter or Edward Heath neo liberal monetarists ? No they weren't. Friedman was the prime mover behind monetarism, the basis of modern neoliberal economics. <a href="http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/schools/chicago.htm">cepa.newschool.edu/het/sc...hicago.htm</a> "In the 1960s, the department began to congeal into a new shape, led by George J. Stigler and Milton Friedman. This is what became the "Second" Chicago School, which is perhaps the most famous and polemical one. Stigler and Friedman were avowed Marshallians, and eschewed the methodology of the now-departed Walrasians of the Cowles Commission. As the contemporary ditty went: "I read my Marshall completely through From beginning to end and backward too I read my Marshall so carefully That now I am Professor at U of C". The Stigler-Friedman period was characterized by faithful adherence to Neoclassical economics and maintained itself dead against the concept of market failures, reinforcing the Chicago School stance against imperfect competition and Keynesian economics. Through their influential journals -- notably, the Journal of Political Economy and the Journal of Law and Economics -- the research programme of the Chicago School was advanced and diffused. It was the Second Chicago School that is often accused of being the modern version of Manchester School liberalism (or, as some maintain, the more conservative tradition of American apologism)." "re: "four headed beast" -- what, you think every poster on this board who doesn't immediately agree that "the Jews" are controlling everything behind the scenes is actually the same disinformation agent? Really? " No, I just suspect that someone who jumps into Jewish related discussions who's only arguments are casting creepy aspersions and creepily poor attempts at sophistry reminds me of others on this board. No one mentioned behind the scenes.

by **scollon** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:22 am

Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists By Francis A. Boyle <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6050.htm">www.informationclearingho...le6050.htm</a> It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli "Neoconservative" Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so.1 Of course Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda . But that made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of State John Bolton, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. administration. These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the Machiavellian/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its Department of Political Science. The best exposé of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. Drury.2 I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal.3 The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the University of Chicago in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of Injustice are members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, and totalitarian Federalist Society (aka "Feddies"),4 which originated in part at the University of Chicago. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprint for establishing an American Police State.5 Meanwhile, the Department of Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attack on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law.6 Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of the University of Chicago "School" of Law-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all over the developing world.7 This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters." Pursuant to Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton, formerly under Vice President Dick Cheney) that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well as the Bush Family itself. Enron. Although miseducated8 at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal.9 According to his own public estimate and boast before the American Enterprise Institute, President Bush Jr. hired about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, and the Palestinians.10 Most of the Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed.11 In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media12 in order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil.13 To paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those willing to be deceived.14 As I can attest from my personal experience as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. As for the University of Chicago overall, its biblical Gospel is Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987).15 Of course Bloom was another protégé of Strauss, as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein (2000) Saul Bellow, formerly on the University of Chicago Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom is still worshiped and his elitist screed against American higher-education still revered on a pedestal. In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. Strauss/Davarr is really the éminence grise of Ravelstein. With friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warrants investigation by the F.B.I. Just recently the University of Chicago officially celebrated its Bush Jr. Straussian Neo-Con cabal, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr's roving pro-consul for Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. According to the University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy."16 It is correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less about democracy in Iraq? Or for that matter anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 presidential election from the American People in Florida and before the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were Feddies?17 Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot.18 At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to International Understanding" to Robert "Mad Bomber" McNamara.19 In other words, the University of Chicago itself maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international war criminals in the post-World War II era.20 Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz or totalitarians like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. End notes 1. See, e.g., Rahul Mahajan, Full Spectrum Dominance 108 (2003). 2. Shadia B. Drury, The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (198<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> ; Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999). See also Alain Frachon & Daniel Vernet, The Strategist and the Philosopher: Leo Strauss and Albert Wohlstetter, Le Monde, April 16, 2003, translated into English by Norman Madarasz on Counterpunch.org., June 2, 2003. 3. See also David Brock, Blinded by the Right (2002). 4. George E. Curry & Trevor W. Coleman, Hijacking Justice, Emerge, October 1999, at 42; Jerry M. Landay, The Conservative Cabal That's Transforming American Law, Washington Monthly, March 2000, at 19; People for the American Way, The Federalist Society (August 2001); Institute for Democracy Studies, The Federalist Society and the Challenge to a Democratic Jurisprudence (January 2001). 5. Francis A. Boyle, Bush's Banana Republic, Counterpunch.org, Oct. 11, 2002. 6. Francis A. Boyle, Biowarfare, Terror Weapons and the U.S.: Home Brew?, Counterpunch.org, April 25, 2002. 7. See Greg Palast, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy (2003), at 5 et seq. 8. See Chomsky on Miseducation (Donald Macedo ed. 2000). 9. Francis A. Boyle, Take Sharon to The Hague, Counterpunch.org, June 6, 2002. 10. White House Press Release, President Discusses the Future of Iraq, Washington Hilton Hotel, Feb. 26, 2003. 11. Nasser H. Aruri, Dishonest Broker, 193-216 (2003). See also Tanya Reinhart, Israel/Palestine (2002); Cheryl A. Rubenberg, The Palestinians (2003). 12. Norman Solomon, The Habits of Highly Deceptive Media (1999); Noam Chomsky, Media Control (1997). 13. Seymour M. Hersh, Selective Intelligence, New Yorker, May 8, 2003; Michael Lind, The Weird Men Behind George W. Bus's War, New Statesman - London, April 7, 2003; Julian Borger, The Spies Who Pushed for War, The Guardian, July 17, 2003. 14. Machiavelli, The Prince 147 (M. Musa trans. & ed. 1964): ". . . and men are so simple-minded and so dominated by their present needs that one who deceives will always find one who will allow himself to be deceived." This Bilingual Edition of The Prince by Mark Musa was the one preferred by Joseph Cropsey to teach us students. 15. But see Lawrence W. Levine, The Opening of the American Mind (1996). 16. Between the Lines, University of Chicago Magazine, June 2003, at 54 17. Vincent Bugliosi, The Betrayal of America (2001); Greg Palast, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy 11-81 (2003). 18. Gerhard Sporl, The Leo-Conservatives, Der Spiegel, Aug. 4, 2003. 19. McNamara Receives Pick Award Amid Protests, University of Chicago Magazine, Summer 1979, at 4. 20. Noam Chomsky, Rethinking Camelot (1993); Robert S. McNamara, In Retrospect (1995). RESUME OF FRANCIS A. BOYLE EDUCATION University of Chicago, A.B. (1971) in Political Science. 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by **kornholio** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:03 am

Yes....yes, Jimmy Carter was in fact a neoliberal monetarist. So Richard Perle was at Chicago at some unspecified time. Again, what does this have to do with anything? Strauss wasn't an economist. Friedman isn't a neocon. The US has been pursuing a neoliberal foreign policy since long before the neocons arrived on the scene. "It's largely Jewish Neocon economics that controls the industrialised world" is a ridiculous statement. You have done nothing to show how the economics that controls the industrialized world is Jewish, or even particularly neocon.

by **scollon** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:12 am

"It's largely Jewish Neocon economics that controls the industrialised world" is a ridiculous statement. You have done nothing to show how the economics that controls the industrialized world is Jewish, or even particularly neocon. " Beyond creepy to completely heebee jeebee You can drown in your own slime if you want, QUTB, DE.

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