Israel shelling Lebanon

by **Gouda** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:57 am

Beruit airport bombed; out of commision. (At least) 22 civilians reported dead so far in southern Lebanon. *** From a link New Kid posted on another thread. <img src="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/nysun_001.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 7/13/06 4:02 am

by **Gouda** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:14 am

I might add that this bodes well for the war party industry ahead of the elections this year. Bad Thing A) republicans kept in office because WW3 has begun; Bad Thing B) democrats take office and are mercifully relieved of their fake pretence of being less hawkish, less warlike because WW3 has begun; and Real Bad Thing C) WW3 cancels elections and Rummy/Cheney's dream "emergency" government is finally put in place.

by **sunny** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:53 am

Spot on, I'm afraid.

by **havanagilla** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:14 am

hey, doesnt look like WW3 anymore than has already happening so far. It only means that despite the poignant articles in counterpunch and the festival around Fitzgerald, the american president is still on top of the hell he planned for us here in the MidEast. -- Iran will not jump in. Israel can handle Syria, and the usual victims (what else is new ) are the Pales and the Lebanese, namely, the defenceless hostages who are constantly played upon by the warring paties. (beware ye lebanese refugees, lest your final trapping shall be the canadian immigration service, declaring you, lebanese people, the "war criminals" of the region"). Poor lebanon, poor pales, poor ME. What Bush is doing is further isolating Iran's regime, and scoring small points against the Hizbollah. What I can certainly sense is a deadly rhetoric coming from my people here. This is re the fate of kidnapped soldiers, and briefly stated "consider them as good as dead" or NO NEGO. This means, in the longer term, another step down on the ladder to the inner hell created here. Namely, in order to "face terror" one becomes hardened, same as the Bush doctrine re the post 9/11 measures (lets destroy our own democracy to ward off extrenal threats on our democracy, something like that). This is a bit of a novelty here, as the rhetoric used to be opposite (although it was always more rhetoric than deeds, but still "ethos" is a declaration with meaning, in the educational and social sphere). -- For me the situation is mentally unbearable. I can clearly remember 1982, and it feels the same way. The security junta upgrading its hold on Israel and on the region. (rememeber Sharon? that rotten fruit was germinating back then). I don't know if I am the only paranoid, but it looks like the USA could be false flagging some of the provocation, to get Israel into a more belligerent mode. The warmongers here now are the "pro american" lobbyists. (namely, those mainly from the labor-Kadima groups). I hardly want to take a look at Lebnon and the damage. They are just like a game board ...and israel is clearly saying, we are putting pressure on the citizens so they put pressure on their gov to put pressure on hizbollah. This seems to be the THEME OF THE CENTURY - kidnapping, hostage, "blame X", framing, false flagging... Using innocent lives as hostages to "put pressure" on some third party. It has become a world of cowards.

by **Gouda** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:19 am

Re: "WW3", this could all be very, very dangerous bluster leading up to the G8 and Security Council resolutions on N. Korea and Iran. Monsters that they are, they might not be aiming to escalate this to a global, nuclear level - just make it seem like it. Not to say that it does not seem like the end of the world when you are living on the ground under attack - it does, it does. But from the outside perspective (here in our starbucks) it eerily resembles the entangling global alliances and intrigues preceding WWI and WWII: 1. N. Korea is (sort of) flinging missiles. Japan has breached the topic of pre-emptive strikes against N. Korea (which the USA would gladly back) while China would certainly not appreciate this precedent being set. Japan is also leading the way for a resolution: "Japan seeks vote on N. Korea resolution" - China is not amused: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_missiles">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...a_missiles</a> 2. India, the second most populous country on the planet, just had its own 911, which was not long in coming after a hypocritical nuclear deal with the US (and all the attendant, secret backroom deals). This has implications for both Pakistan and China. India has rounded up hundreds and immediately fingered “al-Qaida linked” Kashmir rebels. "350 Detained in Bombay Train Bombings" - <a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/INDIA_BOMBINGS?SITE=MIDTF&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-13-07-09-42">hosted.ap.org/dynamic/sto...3-07-09-42</a> 3. Iraq and Afghanistan are in civil war. Implications here too for Pakistan and Iran. Implications, that is, for control over pipelines: oil, drugs, humans. 4. Mexico, and entire latin America are divided, with the key power, Venezuala arming itself with weapons (economic and otherwise) and energy deals. 5. And now we have a couple of kidnappings and murders in The Most Explosive part of the world, what with everything else lined up on the razor's edge as it is, echoes the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo. It is the pretext, anyway, for pre-planned contingencies. Germany alligned with the US, UK, Turkey and Israel this time against Eurasianists, Russia, & China. Regular middle eastern peoples are the tinder. What am I missing? Oh, Mongolia: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Mongolia trades on Genghis appeal 800-year anniversary source of pride, commercialism Mongolia celebrated the 800th anniversary of Genghis Khan's march to world conquest on Tuesday with festivities that mixed commercialism with appeals to nationalism. ... Images of Genghis Khan, often as a wizened elder, have been plastered on billboards, etched in white stones on a mountainside and used to promote tourism. A rock opera of the conqueror's life -- modeled on "Jesus Christ Superstar" -- is being staged by a popular band. ... In the rush to capitalize on his name, Genghis Khan's legacy as a brutal conqueror is being played down. Instead, he's being cast as an agent of world change, a visionary statesman who promoted low taxes on trade, diplomatic immunity and religious tolerance. "We are forefathers of globalization," says one government slogan. "Our ancestor 800 years ago not only brought war and destruction, but he also brought liberation and freedom," said Munkh-Orgil, who has a degree from Harvard Law School. "As to the methods, it was the 13th century. What could we say?" <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/07/12/mongolia.ap/index.html">edition.cnn.com/2006/TRAV...index.html</a> Mongolia is, for what it is worth, very much a US asset at the moment. Strong military presence, good cooperation. It's really not looking very good this summer.

by **anothershamus** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:56 am

I love the imagry of Gengis Khan; "Images of Genghis Khan, often as a wizened elder, have been plastered on billboards, etched in white stones on a mountainside and used to promote tourism. A rock opera of the conqueror's life -- modeled on "Jesus Christ Superstar" -- is being staged by a popular band. ..." Do you really think it's that close to WWIII? I always wondered about the Archduke Ferdinand assisnation and why that was credited with WWI starting... just a flashpoint for the 'entangling global alliances'? "But from the outside perspective (here in our starbucks) it eerily resembles the entangling global alliances and intrigues preceding WWI and WWII" What type of an event now would spark WWIII?

by **sunny** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:34 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>What type of an event now would spark WWIII?<hr></blockquote> I hope Jr.'s security is particularly mindful of the story of Archduke Ferdinand. The worst scenario I can think of might be Bush as the Martyr and Cheney as Hitler in the Bunker.

by **havanagilla** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:26 pm

All Things Considered, July 12, 2006 · Clashes brought on by the capture of Israeli soldiers by the Hezbollah are causing both fear and celebration in Lebanon, says Jamil Mroue, editor-in-chief of the Lebanese newspaper Daily Star. Melissa Block talks with Mroue. <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5552548">www.npr.org/templates/sto...Id=5552548</a> (short audio interview, sums it up) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 7/13/06 11:53 am

by **Gouda** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:27 pm

Well, I was using "WW3" in the most generic, convenient way. As if it even really matters, there have been several numeric schemes applied to the wars following numero dos. For example, some have argued the cold war was WW3, and the War on Terror is WW4 (Brzezinski?) I suppose the entire 20th century to the present could even be understood as One Continuous World War, with elite historians and politicians and statesmen like our man Churchill, breaking them, and the world up into nice, discrete packets suiting their interests. To the overwhelming majority of people in the world, it is a daily war regardles of declarations or resolutions. I am also sure regular people could not have fathomed WW2 from the vantage point of WW1. After WW2, few could have fathomed the shape, scale or quality of the next global conflict. I think we have been in that conflict for a while, and are experiencing peaks and eddies. A running atrocity. Seems we are peaking (what I was referring to earlier) with entire nations being pushed to the edge. Should the nukes come out, or the odd bio warfare, then things might resemble the images of Armageddon planted in our collective psyche. What would trigger it? Depends on the timing and how well contingency plans have been worked out. They could have chosen Brangelina's baby as the trigger if they were ready to wage all out, familiar, large-scale global war between nations...the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo was just a convenient pretext for pre-planned contingencies - and I think they could use anything. Actually, if it was not 911, I thought the Hariri assassination would have done it, or the bombing of the golden mosque in Iraq. But no, we are still on the edge of our seats at starbucks. Others, dreadfully, have already been blown off their seats. Depends which faction of the global elite is best positioned - certainly there are high interests who would like to see another familiar global war, but equally nasty high interests might not think that's the best way to go and would rather not break out the nukes or star wars. This is just a feeling, but it seems to me that today things are gauged on intensity rather than scale.

by **sunny** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:37 pm

I hear you Gouda, and I mostly agree, but I do have a feeling that a WWII type of war is in the offing, at least insofar as the propaganda will go. Such opportunities for posters and war movies and sales of war bonds! They need something besides the WOT, which is not working to rope in enough voluntary cannon fodder. An attack upon our "honor" will do the trick. 9/11 got us into the WOT, with hot spots here and there; now the elites need an excuse for "full spectrum dominance." What that will be is anybody's guess.

by **sunny** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:48 pm

OMG havana what city are you in? I see <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hezbollah guerrillas launched more than 80 rockets and mortars into Israel on Thursday.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_lebanon;_ylt=AuON9JaN58SwgOcl0B.AUUys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--">news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...NlYwN0bQ--</a> Please stay safe, and I'll understand if you don't want to answer my question.

by **havanagilla** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:09 pm

its ok, i am in South Tel Aviv (nowhere near the "action" thank god), but the mood is "down". The only danger forseeable here, where I am, is some Tsunami from the beach, following one of those HAARP weapons or just the digust of God/Mom earth from the scene or some bio stuff accidently released from one of the IDF stocks which i suspect are hidden in populated areas. -- Quite a sane neighborhood, mixed population, and very experienced in these situations (namely, in containing conflicts and maintaining good relations generally). Its too hot here for anything to errupt, and the more pressing problem of most people is poverty or drug abuse, and the level of public education. General mood here is "duck while the heat is on". I can always count on the arab neighbors to give me shelter if the situation gets out of hand... -- The shells in the north is part of life here, well used to be, till the withdrawal from lebanon. It is bad, but its too far for me to get a sense of reality about it. But I sense there's going to be some big bang, or bigger bang before cease fire is achieved. The IDF is now after Nasaralla's head, in person and he is into smuggling the soldiers to Iran...so, the rams are butting their whatever, its not a time for women to even HAVE an opinion here, let alone speak. My concern re myself is a coronary event, namely, that I will jsut not make it through, because of stress...(mainly from my personal situation, money, family and perps) so, I am going to a little singing gathering tonight, its a kind of semi commercial semi social performance of a singer/composer/guitarist, in his back yard. Very nice people, except I recently found out they were scientologists <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> , but I am going to ignore that, despite the info on this board. Well, let me tell you that since the big scare before the scuds in 1991 in tel aviv (i was away in DC sucking someone's dick, for the glory of war, I suppose), I tend to be more relaxed and skeptical about "dooms". Usually, the fear factor is much bigger than the actual fire. But, I am sad, and as my son told me, he feels my heart is broken cause I failed in spare him this reality. "but don't worry mom" he says" even though, the good witch (that's me) couldn't protect me, I know Superman will..."...aham. We are now another statistics as in "children in war zones writing letters and drawing sad paintings"...

by **sunny** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:19 pm

Well, I am glad to see you are so sanguine about your situation. I cannot imagine being in such a mental space with rockets falling within one's own country; though I imagine I, and all of my fellow Amurikans, will soon have to find a way to get to that space.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> Peace.

by **Sweejak** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:33 pm

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