Israel shelling Lebanon

[Gouda]

meanwhile:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/07/14/mideast/t1.wreckage.afp.gi.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>The axis of evil's fault! <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 7/14/06 8:23 am<br></i>

[jc]

that wasn't caused by no Goddamn "crooked molecule." <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

oh, you are in lebanon jc ? poor timing, unless you live there.<br><br>Very good quote with the money...:-)) that's what I meant so clumsily to explain. <p></p><i></i>

[jc]

no, hava, blanc,<br><br>i'm not. missed that, sorry. found the note online, thought it relevant. different perspective.<br><br>be safe though, all of you. wherever you are.<br><br>jah bless <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 7/14/06 10:04 am<br></i>

[havanagilla]

lucky you, jc. Some tourists are stranded in lebanon, and cannot leave cause the airport is inoprative...i read some blogs from such people, PANIC. <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

I mostly agree with RI's blog, except two things stand out (for me)<br>1. Iran's posture is far from "rational", in the sense that they too want to be part of the nuclear club. We cannot change the standards to side with the enemy's enemy. From what I hearing from refugees who fled Iran, the regime is very bad for women (which for me is a sign of deeper issues) and joining the nuke world is not exactly a noble goal. I agree, thatin light of the balance, they want to pose a bit of a resistance to the US "democracy exports, inc", but all in all, and standing on its own feet, their goal is reproachable as much as any other gov, imposing its war policies on its citizens.<br>2. Since I totally agree that this war was preplanned and only needed a pretext, how about some compassion to the israeli citizenry (and the kidnapped token chips) who are hostages of such a military leadership. Since there WAS NO public support for nothing like this operation, the most dirty old trick was used, and apparently we are looking at two VERY BIZARRE accidents that led to the kidnap. The two cases are now under "official invstigation" to see how come, response was delayed in more than hour, allowing the kidnap to happen.<br>I don't want to be paranoid, but I will not rule out a "shooting in the leg" for the necessary public support. And following this, I will not rule out a "minor 9/11" in ISRAEL to provide the excuse for the desired goal - hitting Iran. Mind you, if the Israeli public was so bloodthirsty, this would not have been necessary. I am not hearing any support for the other hostages here. Its the usual one dimensional parapolitical digging, that goes very deep, but stops on the surface when it comes to ...well...will not say the J word here. <br><br>Except this reservation, yes, this was coming, with a without an excuse, but now 10 people are gone for this farce. And at least one family, Shalit, is aware of its victimization and speaking loud. (not that anyone cares). <p></p><i></i>

[jc]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>this war was preplanned and only needed a pretext<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>here's a fnord<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Iran Attacking Israel Is Really Attack on U.S.<br><br>Thursday , July 13, 2006<br><br>By John Gibson [faux nooz]<br><br>If you ever wondered whether it was worth all the trouble to keep Iran from getting a nuke, look at the news today.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>When Hezbollah attacks Israel — or attacks anybody — it is Iran that is really doing the attacking.<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>If Iran can get the world to the brink of a war with just a few conventional explosives, a militia of irregulars and some suicide bombers, think what they could do with a real nuke.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Iran is attacking Israel, but it is really attacking us. That's because it knows that the U.S. will come to Israel's aid if things get really rough and eventually any Iran-Israel clash will get very rough.<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>So <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>then the U.S. would have to decide about entering the fray</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in some way and Iran then has what it wants: a direct confrontation with the "Great Satan."<br><br>Some people like to see the situation as a grouping of separates: The U.S. has a War on Terror, and Israel has a war with Hezbollah and Hamas, and Iran is threatening from a distance.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>No, Iran is the puppeteer</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> here pulling the strings and causing trouble.<br><br>You might find some experts to disagree with me. You'll definitely find a few experts who agree with me.<br><br>Whatever. The point is: Watch what happens. When the Iranians get nukes this ruckus we're witnessing today will look like a walk in the park. If the Iranians get their nuke which they can strap to their missiles, they can make good on their promise to remove Israel from the map and to bring the world economy to a standstill by blasting, or threatening, the Mideast oil fields.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It seems like a war between Israel and some terror groups. It's really a war by Iran on us.<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>That's My Word.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,203428,00.html">www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,203428,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>video @ <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/13/john-gibson-iran-attacking-israel-is-really-attacking-the-us/">crooks & liars</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>hava, take heart. don't get cynical. everyone's being played. some don't see the extent of it. show 'em. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 7/14/06 11:39 am<br></i>

[havanagilla]

JC, I am trying not to be cynical, and I am referring here to the blogpost but also the general "soup" here on the board. I am realizing that for me this is a martyrization to be here, and surely to "state the obvious" in Israel, risks not only being ridiculed but could mean death. Excuse me for not thinking this is a good enough cause...<br> <p></p><i></i>

[anothershamus]

I found this interesting;<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>CNN:<br><br> Israeli airstrikes and artillery hammered hundreds of targets in Lebanon, including two strikes on the Beirut airport, where helicopter gunships left craters in runways and turned fuel tanks into fireballs.<br><br>Keep this quote, from Martin van Creveld, professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, in mind:<br><br> We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.'<br><br><br>posted by Kevin at 7:24 PM<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anothershamus>anothershamus</A> at: 7/14/06 12:07 pm<br></i>

[jc]

sorry hava,<br><br>didn't mean to imply that you were cynical. nor do i think you are. i've learned a lot here, from you, jeff, blanc, lily, star, prof, de, slim, dugo, all of you. <br><br>just saying: to me cynicism seems to come on the tail of lack of hope. 's why i told you to take heart. presumptious of me, being where i am, to offer some semblance of support… i know. i try and fail sometimes. just wish you well is all.<br><br>was also the last thing my dad made me promise him before he died. he saw what was coming. he knew some of the principals. and he said: promise me one thing whatever you do. don't become cynical.<br><br>it's what they are too, right? can't fight evil with evil. i'm not being clear here, hungry. might try to fix this after dinner, but i hope you get the gen idea.<br><br>ps: hava, if you ever decide to try scandinavia, i live up this way. know a few folks. will research for you. peace. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=jc@rigorousintuition>jc</A> at: 7/14/06 12:43 pm<br></i>

[blanc]

Hava , I think the Isreali people as a whole are indeed hostages in a power game - or perhaps, no, not even that. disposable comes closer, and from what you say the 2 men taken as official hostages are pawns for all sides. My grasp of the political duck shoving is weak, but its clear as day that the exploitation of older smaller scale greivances or points of conflict by those who want to make money from both war and oil plays the major role in the escalation of those conflicts of interest in the middle east. I don't think that the interests of the ordinary Isreali citizen count at all in the accounting in washington, any more than the interests of their own citizens drowning in new orleans counted. there aren't any words which are half-way adequate comfort for those stuck in the danger zones. be safe and good courage.<br><br>realise now I misread your post jc, but same sentiments for any in lebanon, palestine, anywhere shells fall. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/07/14/mideast/newt1.1448.looking.ap.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hava , I think the Isreali people as a whole are indeed hostages in a power game - or perhaps, no, not even that. disposable comes closer, and from what you say the 2 men taken as official hostages are pawns for all sides.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Correct Blanc.<br><br> Lets have a brief look at the obvious.<br><br> Israel is little more than an outpost for the global elite, who began purchasing land in copious quantities in the region in the late 1800s / early 1900s.<br><br> Just coincidentally ( no doubt) about the same time as Oil was discovered in enormous quantities there.<br><br> The fact that the land itself had no Oil was irrelevant. What the elite required was an Agent Provocateur in the region.<br><br> This same elite played the "Gods promised land" clause contained in the bible, as opposed to the now little heard of or known 'solemn- promise- by- the- Torah- Jews- never- to- return- to- Israel- particularly- under- force- clause'.<br><br> But of course its important to cover all the bases. And the global elite wrote the book remember - at the council of Nicea in 300 ad.<br><br> It is of course merely a coincidence that Bush and the Windsors are directly related to Constantine and the Piso family. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> Meanwhile these same agents of death, utilising the usual methods of misery - Energy, Weapons and banking can sit comfortably knowing that a "safe haven for the Jews" is highly likely to produce more profits courtesy of each of the above scams on humanity with which they are of course closely associated.<br><br> Bingo. <br><br> 60 years of perpetual conflict - The usual array of death misery and destruction courtesy of "The good book" and associated texts - along with the usual profits and divide and rule control mechanism that has an age old pedigree.<br><br> Any questions ? <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-07-14T225714Z_01_L14613120_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-SYRIA-HIZBOLLAH.xml">today.reuters.com/news/ne...BOLLAH.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Syria says supports Hizbollah against Israel</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>DAMASCUS (Reuters) - Syria will support its allies Hizbollah and Lebanon against Israel's attacks on the country, the ruling Baath Party said on Friday.<br><br>"The Syrian people are ready to extend full support to the Lebanese people and their heroic resistance to remain steadfast and confront the barbaric Israeli aggression and its crimes," a communiqué issued by the party's national command said. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Even as a false flag, the kidnappings were STILL a flimsy excuse to begin destroying a country's infrastructure. Commando operations...maybe.<br><br>Anybody doing any good reporting from the region that you all who live there have seen? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>