Israel in control of US nukes?? Could this be true?????

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Israel in control of US nukes?? Could this be true?????

Postby darkbeforedawn » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:12 pm

<br><br>U.S. Nuclear Weapons Being “Guarded” by Israel <br>Submitted by a reader... <br><br> U.S. Nuclear Weapons Being “Guarded” by Israel <br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>American supporters of Israel were delighted to learn that an Israeli company, Magal Security Systems—owned in part <br>by the government of Israel—is in charge of security for the most sensitive nuclear power and weapons storage <br>facilities in the United States.<br><br>The largest perimeter security company in the world, Magal started out as a division of Israeli Aircraft Industries <br>(IAI)—which was owned in part by the government of Israel. In recent years, however, Magal evolved into a <br>publicly-traded company, although IAI (and thus the government of Israel) still holds a substantial share in the highly <br>successful firm. <br><br>What all of this means is that the government of Israel will actually have control over the security of America’s nuclear <br>weapons. <br><br>Supporters of Israel say that this is a splendid idea, since Israel is said to be perhaps America’s closest ally on the <br>face of the planet. However, there are some critics who question the propriety of America’s super-sensitive nuclear <br>security being in the hands of any foreign nation, particularly Israel which, even today, officially denies that it is <br>engaged in the production of nuclear arms.<br><br>Be that as it may, however, Magal’s global interests are quite broad-ranging. Having secured 90 percent of Israel’s <br>borders through a wide-ranging array of super-modern “space age” technology, Magal has now branched out <br>internationally. Not only does Magal provide security for American nuclear facilities, but it also does likewise for most <br>major nuclear facilities in Western Europe and Asia. <br><br>In addition, the Israeli firm also provides security for Chicago’s O’Hare Airport and, for the last fifteen years, has kept <br>watch on the Queen of England’s famed Buckingham Palace in London. What’s more, Magal provides security for <br>90% of the American prisons that utilize electronic systems.<br><br>Magal brags that its other clients around the globe include: borders, airports, industrial sites, communication centers, <br>military installations, correctional facilities, government agencies, VIP estates and residences, commercial buildings <br>and storage yards. There is hardly a major country or major enterprise that does not have Magal’s security specialists <br>keeping a close watch on their activities.<br><br>Clearly, Magal is no small enterprise. While 27% of its total sales are in the Israeli market, its largest market is in <br>North America, which currently accounts for 35% of its sales. <br><br>However, Magal’s American outreach is expected to increase substantially, especially now that firm has set up a <br>Washington, D.C. office which will promote its products to federal agencies and to the members of Congress who <br>provide funding for federally-supervised security projects across the country at all levels: local, state and national.<br><br>And with current U.S. Homeland Security Chief, Michael Chertoff, not only a strong supporter of Israel but also the son <br>of a woman who has strong Israeli ties—even including service with El Al, the national airline of Israel—Magal, owned <br>in party by Israeli Aircraft Industries—will be a clear-cut favorite in the eyes of the power brokers in official Washington <br>who have the power to grant lucrative security contracts. <br><br>At the moment, Magal has four U.S.-based subsidiaries: two in California, Stellar Security Products, Inc. and Perimeter <br>Products Inc., as well as the New York-based Smart Interactive Systems, Inc., and the Virginia-based Dominion <br>Wireless, Inc.<br><br>All told, the Israeli company holds a 40% share in the worldwide market in perimeter intrusion detection systems and <br>is working to expand its business in the protection of oil pipelines.<br><br>Magal is also said to be quite interested in guarding water lines around the globe, particularly in the United States. In <br>fact, Magal may have an inside shot at getting a monopoly in guarding America’s water supplies. On July 19, the Bush <br>administration’s Environmental Protection Agency announced a “partnership” with the Israeli Ministry of National <br>Infrastructures to improve what they called “water supply system security in the United States and Israel.” Since Magal <br>is so highly respected in Israel, it’s an even bet that Magal will soon be guarding the U.S. water supply.<br><br>From the Maga web-page at:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.magal-ssl.com/pages/clients.asp">www.magal-ssl.com/pages/clients.asp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"Nuclear Facilities and Other Utility Installations <br><br>The Magal Group is a leading contractor in securing nuclear power generating plants, nuclear research facilities, chemical processing plants and weapon storage sites. Our extensive product range together with the experience of our key technical staff has enabled the Magal Group to successfully respond to the unique requirements of these high-risk installations as mandated by the International Atomic Energy Agency. More than 80 percent of such facilities in the United States, as well as the majority in Western Europe and Asia have been supplied with our perimeter security systems."<br> <br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Return to top of What Really Happened <br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Israel in control of US nukes?? Could this be true?????

Postby Dreams End » Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:33 pm

Irrespective of the rest of your post....how does "guarding" nukes = "being in charge of them"? That sort of exaggeration is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about in the "kicked off DU thread". Save the tabloid headlines for the tabloids.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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dreamsend-- title was offensive

Postby darkbeforedawn » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:07 pm

<br> Dreamsend..You're right! that is the title...Maybe I just exaggerated because I got so upset when I read this article. Any little thing just sets me off these days. Maybe it means nothing...just like the $trillion missing from dod under comptroller Doz Zakheim could just be a bookkeeping error...Well anyway this was quoted directly from the article (but I should not have stooped to such bombast....)<br><br>"What all of this means is that the government of Israel will actually have control over the security of America’s nuclear <br>weapons. "<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: dreamsend-- title was offensive

Postby Sweejak » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:25 pm

Aside from the hyperbolic headline... what would you think if the Saudi's were running this kind of "security", how about the Bin Laden group?.. or how about the Paks, or the French or the Brits? Why would we let <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">any</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> foreign security firm do this? Why?<br><br>Aren't Israeli owned firms doing airport security? Weren't they doing airport security during 9-11? Aren't they now doing London Tube security? <br><br>Comverse, Amdocs? <br><br>So, when folks point out the obvious and raise the obvious questions and the finger points to Israel is it really any wonder? Those that think it is ALL Israel are not illogical, they just have not gone deep enough IMO. <p></p><i></i>
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The US govt is in full control?? Could this be true?????

Postby proldic » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:52 pm

So what are you saying? That an Israeli security firm will hijack America's nuclear missles for exclusively Israeli interests? And, because our otherwise decent government has been hijacked by Neocon Zionist Israeli Jews, the traditional capitalist power structure - which has been for it's entire lifetime almost 100% non-semitic, religious opportunist, and (for the last 60 years at least) completely Nazified - will just give up power to them? <br><br>Haven't most of our major industries been outsourced?<br>What is it in your thinking that causes you to assume that trans-national Israeli corporations cannot be trusted to do the bidding of the fascists, like all the other lapdogs? <br><br>So I guess the Chinese scientists who sit at the cutting edge of our scientific r&d, the Japanese bankers who control the flow of our cash, the German industrialists who built our biochem labs, and the Arab Saudi sheiks who contribute billions to our ex-State Department officials, are not so much of a worry in your view, but those Israeli companies stand out from the pack somehow to you? I wonder why...<br><br>Anyway, what about the fact that this whole debate about "foreign infiltratrion" of our otherwise innocent government is a classic right-wing scam going back to the days of Sacco and Vanzetti, Father Coughlin, and Henry Ford's "International Jew", right up through Wen-Lee-Ho and the Neo-Con mythology? Doesn't recognizing historical patterns of scapegoating matter to you? <br><br>So you're not worried about the fact that FBI-run organized crime families built the silos and the plants, that the command and control structure is 90% "Aryan", or that most of our military infrastructure is owned and operated by non-Israeli fascists.<br><br>Remember the Republican campaign during Clinton pointing to the fact that a few Chinese companies and academic organizations have a huge presence in American universities, right at the cutting-edge of scientific research? That doesn't mean that the Chinese government (um, which is propped up 100% by the US Chamber of Commerce), is the real hidden threat to our democracy. Unless you listen to Ruppert, of course.<br> <br>The fact that Israeli corporations/Mossad has been (allowed) to specialize in military high tech and black ops for the capitalist world does not mean that they are able to hijack our fascist goverment for the exclusive benefit of a country the size of New Jersey.<br><br>It points more to the historical fact that the worldwide Jewish population have always been relegated to cleaning the Aryan system's shithouses.<br><br>A more perceptive analysis would talk about how the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been exacerbated by the (Aryan) US and Britain to serve their own ends, at the expense of the citizens of Israel. <br><br>Primary reason - to defuse the revolutionary potential of millions of oppressed semites from the multi-racial secular socialist revolutionary atmosphere that existed throughout the mideast, and to fuel the growth of the CIA's army - the Muslim Brotherhood - A-Q.<br><br>What Really Happened has 0 credibility. The fact that he posts frequently, and has a small collection of seemingly anti-establishment info on his site, like RFK and MLK data, doesn't mean squat (Anyway, after reading his site from top-to-bottom I'd say much of the analysis he does have off to the side there almost all crucially flawed in key ways, just like his daily postings). It simply means that he is carefully attempting to legitimize himself in the eyes of left-wingers. Ridiculous you say? Actually, there's a long history to the CIA creating legitimacy in their "fakes". As "legitimate" as possible nowadays, actually.<br><br>Every day, Rivero frames his entire analysis on blame-the-jews, and he posts anything and everything to prove his point, from obscure stories of Jews involved in crime, to consistently linking to outright Nazi and hate sights like Davis Irving. I have revealed the clear CIA/Operation Phoenix set up that is one of his favorite sources, judicial-net.biz.<br><br>This is PROOF that Rivero and his ilk are part of a CIA-sponsored divide-and-conquer "meme" machine. <br><br>If you feel comfortable passing on news analysis from someone like that, then you and I really don't have the common reference points necessary to work together for long, I'm afraid. <br><br>Or maybe you want to go to this show that is prominently advertised on one of Rivero's sites he links to:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.volksfrontinternational.com/index.php">www.volksfrontinternation.../index.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The US govt is in full control?? Could this be true?????

Postby Sweejak » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:28 pm

Here are WRH's link as of a few minutes ago.Here is where the News comes from.<br>As far as analysis, I don't mess much with his analysis which consists of mostly needless snarky comments.<br><br>Asia Times<br>World Times<br>New York Times<br>An interesting article on software via Ted Teitmeyer, via Rense<br>BBC<br>Iraqwar.ru<br>Media Matters<br>Intervention Magazine<br>Citizen Journalist<br>uruknet, an article by Immanuel Wallenstien (Binghamton University)<br>SF Gate<br>WAPO<br>Guardian<br>Editor and Publisher<br>Talking Points Memo<br>The Nation<br>New Statesman<br>Times Herald<br>Common Dreams<br>As well as numerous reports and pictures from Camp Casey.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Volksfront prominently advertised on one of Rivero's sites he links to.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Like second hand? Boy, I'd have to go a long way to certify everything I link to. 6 Degrees of separation? What else do the links to links to links link to?<br><br>Why don't you write Rivero? Seriously.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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NO BUT THEY CONTROL THE SECURITY SYSTEMS!!!!

Postby ZeroHaven » Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:10 pm

Hey I thought I was amongst sensible people here, what's going on?!<br><br>Look at that title.. it's an over-reacting QUESTION! Answer the question instead of bitching about it.<br><br>from <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=mags" target="top">YAHOO</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> business listing<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> Magal provides surveillance equipment and services for customers in the US. Clients including government and military agencies use Magal's products to provide security at national borders, airports, prisons, and facilities.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>Their <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.magal-ssl.com/pages/profile.asp" target="top">HISTORY</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> (read it. scary implications)<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Founded in 1969 as a department of the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), ...<br>In 1984 Magal was established as a private company, with 26% of the shares still held by IAI<br>In 2001 we established a new company in New York, Smart Interactive Systems, Inc.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>From <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.magal-ssl.com/pages/clients.asp" target="top">client page</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Magal Group is a leading contractor in securing nuclear power generating plants, nuclear research facilities, chemical processing plants and weapon storage sites. ... More than 80 percent of such facilities in the United States, as well as the majority in Western Europe and Asia have been supplied with our perimeter security systems.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>So YES they are in charge of security all over the place.<br>YES they are partly owned by the Israeli government.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Magal uses both Agents and Distributors to market, install and maintain their systems. Our Systems have been installed in all five continents, and in dozens of countries. Airports, Borders, Industrial Complexes, Nuclear and Conventional Power Stations, Public Utilities</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>ALL THIS POWER IN ONE COMPANY????? Scary shit no matter who they're owned by. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: NO BUT THEY CONTROL THE SECURITY SYSTEMS!!!!

Postby Dreams End » Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:18 pm

They work for the US. If they are meant to let a nuke go, they will. Hey, and then we can blame the nuclear destruction on Israel instead of the US. Convenient.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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re: NO BUT THEY CONTROL THE SECURITY SYSTEMS

Postby Starman » Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:50 pm

"They work for the US. If they are meant to let a nuke go, they will. Hey, and then we can blame the nuclear destruction on Israel instead of the US. Convenient"<br><br>I find this VERY fucking scary. It seems, if you were interested in placing your undercover commandos around the world in key positions to control many nations' major communications, information-processing, transporrtation hubs and networks, security, command-and-control, weapons-systems, target and data acquisition, supply and military equipment warehouses, distribution networks, surveillance systems, Prisons, energy/water/fuel delivery systems, Defense Industry facilities, R&D/Testing laboratories, etc., (many requiring special high-clearance security clearances and protocols)and could infiltrate and be keyed-into security systems, then you'd be optimally positioned to wreak havoc, disable defense and military capability, hold these key positions for blackmail or espionage or sabotage, AND be able to cover it up or trade/sell ones services/information to a third-party -- What an ideal set-up.<br><br>But as pertains services to US government, military and Military Industry/Intelligence/Corporate clients, isn't this yet another more insidious and hidden form of jobs outsourcing? Why can't US-based companies and workers provide these domestic services?<br><br>This is yet ANOTHER indication of how compromised the nation's security and sovereignty is, repeated in dozens of nations around the world, and for which no single individual or agency appears to be accountable -- its all managed and decided through layers of secrecy and National Security classification -- and so if there's a screw-up, accident, breach, snafu whatever, the 'system' can be blamed with promises made to 'fix' the problem no-one was responsible for anticipating or being aware of -- like the 911 whitewash, instead of heads rolling. The lesson? Play along, we'll protect you. But blow a whistle and the attack-dogs are unmuzzled.<br><br>Quite a sweet system in its sinister way.<br>Is the 'threat' real? I dunno -- But we should at least be aware of it.<br><br>-- Added to the list of 'Oh, Shit!'<br>So many things to be worried about, so little time ...<br><br>(Just kidding! -- kinda, ennyway.)<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re: NO BUT THEY CONTROL THE SECURITY SYSTEMS

Postby Dreams End » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:28 pm

Starman, we have outsourced agencies guarding our military troops in Iraq. And what's worse, they make a ton more than the soldiers the are guarding. <p></p><i></i>
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"Jews" and "Aryans"

Postby robertdreed » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:53 pm

"It points more to the historical fact that the worldwide Jewish population have always been relegated to cleaning the Aryan system's shithouses."<br><br>proldic, in a post that made a lot of valid points, and a few shakier and more debatable ones, that hyperbole of that particular statement stands out as being completely over the top as fallacious.<br><br>Furthermore, when you throw around the discredited term "Aryan", you grant it validity. If that really what you're wanting? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby proldic » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:26 pm

The term "aryan" I used in a general sense without fully pinning down what I mean by it, as you pointed out. I don't feel comfortable w/ it. Please elucidate further why I should not give it validity (Not being sarcastic). <br><br>Back in the day, jews were historically legally prohibited from engaging in any trades except that set by the ruling class. In the case of Europe, my reading of history shows how they were relegated to the jobs the system didn't want to do lest it incur the wrath of the "masses". The "dirty work". That is pawn, loans, tax collecting. <br><br>And they were most certainly the shit-cleaners and slave-laborers of Europe up until the end of the war, and in Russia up to the revolution.<br><br>They were quite like India's lowest-caste "untouchables". <p></p><i></i>
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Re: .

Postby FourthBase » Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:39 pm

Troll test:<br><br>5 Israelis dancing while filming burning WTC: anti-semitic or not?<br>Daniel Lewin the Israeli commando being killed on plane: anti-semitic or not?<br>Israeli spies following hijackers: anti-semitic or not? <p></p><i></i>
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Jews in Europe

Postby robertdreed » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:18 pm

"Back in the day, jews were historically legally prohibited from engaging in any trades except that set by the ruling class. In the case of Europe, my reading of history shows how they were relegated to the jobs the system didn't want to do lest it incur the wrath of the "masses". The "dirty work". That is pawn, loans, tax collecting."<br><br>Being a pawnbroker isn't the same thing as being a dung collector. The Jews weren't the "proles" of Europe. They couldn't be. There weren't enough of them. They were a separate society reliant mostly on mercantilism and trade. <br><br>"And they were most certainly the shit-cleaners and slave-laborers of Europe up until the end of the war, and in Russia up to the revolution."<br><br>You make it sound as if the Jews were a slave caste in Europe, equivalent to New World diaspora black peoples. That's a mischaracterization of the sorts of discrimination they faced. Mostly they were kept in isolation from the wider society in an apartheid system. "Beyond the Pale", so to speak. And the beginnings of the political and social emancipation of Jews in Europe was a process that preceded the end of World War Two by around 150 years. The two nations where Jews had made the most progress were England, and ironically, Germany. <br><br>And it's certainly no secret that the Rothschild banking dynasty rose to prominence with the full approval and participation of the Dukes and Princes of the German states, from the era before Germany became a unified republic. Obviously, the relationship between Jews and the indigenous European societies was a lot more complex than their simply being relegated to a slave caste. <br><br>"They were quite like India's lowest-caste "untouchables"."<br><br>That's facile nonsense. You can make a cogent case without having to resort to that sort of hyperbole. <p></p><i></i>
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Outsourcing mercenaries, guards, security etc. in Iraq

Postby Starman » Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:28 pm

Dreams End said:<br><br>"Starman, we have outsourced agencies guarding our military troops in Iraq. And what's worse, they make a ton more than the soldiers the are guarding."<br><br>***<br>Righto -- as we've outsourced a lot of jobs typically done by US forces, like KP, doctors/medical and technicians, truck-drivers, mechanics, engineers, laborers, carpenters, hvy. equipment operators, communication and data-systems specialists, transport pilots, airplane techies, and what-not. A lot of menial and semi-skilled jobs are being contracted thru big western Corporations, filled by Turks, Pakis, Indians, ie., cheap-labour immigrants, while Iraq's unemployment is what, like 60 to 70 percent? I've read that US civilian drivers earn something like $5 K a month, plus found. I've seen estimates that there may be up to 20-30,000 mercenaries in Iraq, hired by firms like Blackwater and Wackenhut. A similiar trend is evident with oil, mining and other resource-extraction industries in third-world settings with conflict increasingly hiring mercenaries as their own private armies, to guard installations, pipelines, ports, terminals, executives and workers, etc., from guerrillas or hostile locals protesting exploitation or labour-disputes, pollution or corruption, etc.<br><br><br>From:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.deeperwants.com/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/002796.html">www.deeperwants.com/cul1/...02796.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>--excerpt--<br>The modern US volunteer army has been been stripped to the bone in terms of being a lean, mean fighting machine. While that's good for moderate and short term engagements, it cannot hope to prevail over the long haul or when having to police a huge area such as they are expected to do now in Iraq. The result is that the US government has made it legal for PMCs, whose workers or "contracters", to do a lot of the "work" on their own without oversight from the US military. Because there are no real international or even national regulations governing the responsibilities or activities of these companies there have been situations not unlike Abu Ghraib that go unaccounted for. In fact some of the interrogators and translators, including one that is accused of raping a boy detainee, have never been charged because mercenaries in Iraq have complete immunity from Iraqi law under an edict issued by the US Coalition Provisional Authority.<br><br>What using these companies in Iraq has amounted to is a form of war profiteering on a huge scale completely out of sight and accountibility of the American public. There are estimates that these 'security contractors", who patrol out of uniform in unmarked vehicles and armed with machines guns, account for as much as 20% of the US miltary presence in Iraq. <br><br>An article on the activities of PMCs in Iraq in the Washington Post commented: <br><br>“Far more than in any other conflict in United States history, the Pentagon is relying on private security companies to perform crucial jobs once entrusted to the military. In addition to guarding innumerable reconstruction projects, private companies are being asked to provide security for the chief of the Coalition Provisional Authority, L. Paul Bremer III, and other senior officials; to escort supply convoys through hostile territory; and to defend key locations, including 15 regional authority headquarters and even the Green Zone in downtown Baghdad, the centre of American power in Iraq.”<br><br>The money to be made by these is enormous. It has been estimated that 25% of the $18.6 billion allocated by the Bush administration for Iraq’s “reconstruction,” is to pay for these private companies. Aside from that, the Bush administration does not count these hired troops in their causualty counts. Remember the four soldiers burned and mutilated and publicly hung from the bridge in Fallujah? Those were men hired by a secretive company called Blackwater that has about 450 personnel in Iraq doing various "security jobs" for US government. Americans reacted to the killings with outrage believing that these were American soldiers in our military, when in fact they were hired mercenaries who could have come from any nation and might have been perpetrating any sorts of horrors on the locals for they were killed. We simply don't know. Most of these companies are extreme tight-lipped about their personnel and most often do not even publicly report it when they are killed.<br><br>The problem is the lack of accountibility and secrecy under which these firm operate. Mercenaries can provide an occupying nation with a supply of hired killers carrying out the dirtiest aspects of the occupation, from torture to assassination. To my mind, this is a serious situation that has been intensifying for some time now and needs intense public scrutiny.<br>--unquote--<br><br><br>Sounds to me like another massive below-the-radar scam, if the mercs are receiving the 4.5 billion dollars indicated in the article above, which for all the hoopla about Iraq's oil money being used for reconstruction just isn't happening -- these 'costs' will just be added onto the bill the US taxpayers will be footing (for generations).<br><br>Mercenaries in the employ of transnational oil and mining companies are essentially corporate armies, which have greatly inflamed violence and human rights abuses around the world, for the most part completely beyond accountability.<br><br>Also: Another insightful article by Fisk:<br>--excerpt--<br>Private army of security men in Iraq<br>Occupiers spend millions on private army of security men<br><br>By Robert Fisk in Baghdad and Severin Carrell in London<br>28 March 2004<br><br>An army of thousands of mercenaries has appeared in Iraq's major cities, many of them former British and American soldiers hired by the occupying Anglo-American authorities and by dozens of companies who fear for the lives of their employees.<br><br>Many of the armed Britons are former SAS soldiers and heavily armed South Africans are also working for the occupation. "My people know how to use weapons and they're all SAS," said the British leader of one security team in southern Baghdad. "But there are people running around with guns now who are just cowboys. We always conceal our weapons, but these guys think they're in a Hollywood film."<br><br>There are serious doubts even within the occupying power about America's choice to send Chilean mercenaries, many trained during General Pinochet's vicious dictatorship, to guard Baghdad airport. Many South Africans are in Iraq illegally - they are breaking new laws, passed by the government in Pretoria, to control South Africa's booming export of mercenaries. Many have been arrested on their return home because they are do not have the licence now required by private soldiers.<br><br>Casualties among the mercenaries are not included in the regular body count put out by the occupation authorities, which may account for the persistent suspicion among Iraqis that the US is underestimating its figures of military dead and wounded. Some British experts claim that private policing is now the UK's biggest export to Iraq - a growth fueled by the surge in bomb attacks on coalition forces, aid agencies and UN buildings since the official end of the war in May last year.<br><br>Many companies operate from villas in middle-class areas of Baghdad with no name on the door. Some security men claim they can earn more than £80,000 a year; but short-term, high-risk mercenary work can bring much higher rewards. Security personnel working a seven-day contract in cities like Fallujah, can make $1,000 a day.<br><br>Continued: <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=505772">news.independent.co.uk/wo...ory=505772</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br>****<br><br>Ah, and so it goes ...<br>Regrdz;<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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