Tehran crash will this be a spark to the coming war?

[Trifecta]

The first thing I thought of when I heard this crash being a military plane a whole visual scenario erupted from my brain, the blame game begins, tensions increase and the war meeting tabled for this Thursday enacts the next stage of the game ... timing is everything with the no souls. <br><br>Many killed in Tehran plane crash <br> <br>The building was engulfed in flames after the crash <br>An Iranian military plane with 94 people on board has crashed into a 10-storey apartment building in a built-up suburb of the capital Tehran. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4502966.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...502966.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<br><br> Imagine the Iranian headline news;<br><br> Iranian authorities today named a rogue Western faction as the hijackers responsible. The MOSCIA-eetoes<br><br> They found a bag at the airport with complete with CIA Id's, Bibles, a talmud, and copy of Playboy magazine.<br><br> Close by the scene they found a passport belonging to one "John Doe", who had been identified by the iranian intelligences services as part of a covert group taking flying lessons in a hang gliding school, where they sharpened up on their flying practices. <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

BLAME GAME for sure<br><br>on all sides.... <p></p><i></i>

[anonymous]

I found the following sentence particularly interesting:<br><br>"A military plane carrying <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>dozens of journalists</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> crashed into a Tehran apartment block and exploded on Tuesday, killing at least 116 people, officials said."<br><br>The entire article is at<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/eyroj">tinyurl.com/eyroj</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[michael meiring]

''''''''''''''The apartment block, which was still standing, is in the Shahrak-e Towhid neighborhood, a residential area reserved for military families. It lies on the flightpath to the airport.'''''<br><br><br>well, well, well, the apartment block is still standing!!!!! what about the pancaking and syruping al la NIST type conspiracy theory?<br><br>Anyone have any other links to a full scale photo of this?<br><br>were there any reports or film on msm about this? i doubt it?<br><br>i guess this plane didant produce numerous explosions aka the twin towers as it was left standing.<br><br>We have 9/11 where the buildings were built to withstand planes crashing into them mysteriously pancaking, and we have this tiny apartment block not built to withstand plane crashes left standing.<br><br>no wonder the photos are so small you cant see a fucking thing of the building and wreckage.<br><br>why didant these plane wings instantly vanish like the 'plane' crashing into the pentagon? how come bodies were found at the crash scene and pulled from the plane? why didant these bodies vanish without a trace like the bodies from he 'plane' crash at the pentagon?<br><br>did this plane have a black box? did that disintigrate into thin air like the 'plane' crashing into the pentagon?<br><br>perhaps our resident spinners of government official conspiracy theory versions on these boards would like to comment on some of those points?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Pants Elk]

Play the video at the BBC site. The building is still standing.<br><br>Amazing.<br><br>Plane crashes into cruddy old apartment block. Cruddy old apartment block still standing.<br><br>Plane crashes into WTC tower. Tower falls over. Twice.<br><br>Plane doesn't crash into WTC7. WTC7 falls over.<br><br><br><br>Amazing.<br><br>Looking forward to the NIST report on this one. That'll set my mind at rest. Plenty of computer-generated diagrams. Reasonable explanation.<br><br><br><br>Amazing. <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

Are you folks serious? You really can't see the difference between the two events? Do you think you can compare a plane crashing horizontally into a 110-story "tube within a tube" type skyscraper flying at full speed, with a plane crashing/falling into an apartment block of a few stories at a much lower speed? <br><br>You do realize that the design of the twin towers, which allowed/caused the collapses to happen the way they did, is not the same as the design of an apartment block? That the collapses of the twin towers wouldn't have happened if there weren't 20-30 stories above the crash zone that the weakened structure had to support? That it wouldn't have happened if the floors didn't consist of trusses, or if these trusses in the crash zone weren't weakened by the subsequent fire? And perhaps not, if the fireproofing had been intact?<br><br>Were these conditions also present in the Iranian apartment block?<br><br>With the WTC7, there was also the combination fire + trusses + missing fireproofing. In the Iranian apartment block? <p></p><i></i>

[Pants Elk]

Oh. That's it, then. Silly old us!<br><br>I'm sure I speak for everyone when I thank you for pointing out the obvious differences that led to the cruddy old apartment block still standing after a plane flew into it and the WTCs falling over after plane impact/non-impact.<br><br>Whew! That's a relief. Back to Eyes Wide Shut.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

They <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>should</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> be obvious, but apparently they ain't. <p></p><i></i>

[bamabecky]

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>What ever happened to critical thinking?<br><br>Have they stopped teaching that?<br><br>God help us all - <br>especially from those <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"eyes-wide-shut"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> folks!<br><br>Is this just a <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>PAID</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> "dumb-act" your playing or are you really THAT STUPID?<br><br>There should be an IQ requirement for people to post here.<br>Bama <p>Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.</p><i></i>

[Qutb]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Is this just a PAID "dumb-act" your playing or are you really THAT STUPID?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>That's rich coming from you.<br><br>What I'm more perplexed about is posters who consistently write brilliant comments in other threads (such as the EWS thread) but who seem to suspend all critical thinking as soon as this subject is brought up.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There should be an IQ requirement for people to post here.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Yes, that thought has often struck me when reading your comments. <p></p><i></i>

[Byrne]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>With the WTC7, there was also the combination fire + trusses + missing fireproofing<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hey Qutb,<br><br>You should join the NIST Investigative team for the WTC-7 collapse & help them along with their long awaited report.<br><br>You seem to have all the answers!<br>___________<br>On the Tehran crash, the Iranian News Agancy at <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-24/0512093319132120.htm" target="top"><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/" target="top">www.irna.ir/en</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->[/link] stated:<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Expediency Council Chairman Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said here Friday that dark points on the December 6th C-130 plane crash should be made clear because the ambiguities will cost the society dearly.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>On the same day as the plane crash UK Foreign Minister Jack Straw met with Mohamed ElBaradei<br>(Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency - IAEA). See <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-16/0512069723154410.htm" target="top">_here_</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->. "The meeting, which was expected to include discussions on Iran's nuclear program, was low-key without any subsequent press conference. The Foreign Office also said that it would be making no statement about the talks."<br><br>This lack of comment in the MSM about the UK/IAEA Boss meeting re Iran contrasts sharply with all the recent hullabaloo in the UK media regarding the comments of the Iranian President (Mahmud Ahmadinejad ) about how a Light Surrounded Him During UN Speech <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/11/184cb9fb-887c-4696-8f54-0799df747a4a.html" target="top">(see here)</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Of course other delegates attention would be on him.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Pants Elk]

qutb wrote:<br><br>"What I'm more perplexed about is posters who consistently write brilliant comments in other threads (such as the EWS thread) but who seem to suspend all critical thinking as soon as this subject is brought up."<br><br>Well, I'll stand up and take that one on the jaw, qutb.<br><br>I suppose when you say "critical thinking" you mean thinking that agrees with your own?<br><br>I don't think what I think actually matters that much. My opinion, in my opinion, is just that. I don't fly it like a flag or point it like a gun. It's just this little, ephemeral thing that has grown the way it has because that's its nature. When it comes to the CD/NIST issue, I'm more convinced by the CD argument. No big deal. I consider it the simplest of explanations, not the least likely. I've taken in the NIST report, and your own compelling argument (you're very, very good - are you a lawyer?) and I still believe in CD. It's only a belief, built on data and intuition, and I wouldn't want it to upset you or anyone else, because, ultimately, it doesn't matter one way or the other what we think about this. You can't unring the bell, the towers are down, the world is changed. It doesn't even matter what the TRUTH is.<br><br>But. there are many, many places where the NIST version is accepted as truth; the hearts of millions of Americans. It is the Standard Version. Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into the towers, causing them to fall over. The places where this Standard Version is questioned are found on the margins - and I do consider the internet to be on the margins. You've been incredibly helpful and rigorous and without your approach, the recent threads on CD wouldn't have been half as illuminating. But I, for one, still don't buy what you're selling. I still see it waddle and quack, and I think, "yeah. It's still a duck."<br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pantselk>Pants Elk</A> at: 12/9/05 11:13 am<br></i>

[Trifecta]

that hit this building in Tehran did not have the desired effect, a small boy walking down the road with his laser pointer spoiled the effect of the hologram, no journalists were able to make phone calls. Still the zionist will be happy, they caused another distraction in the control mechamism and they already control Germany so no need to move Isreal there.<br><br>Things is heating up, the push to take out another part of the middle east is afoot, justified by the peak oil scams...can't wait to see how Micheal Ruppert gets on, perhaps the line will go dead again.<br><br>Point is, its obvious things are wrong, all over the planet, lets agree on that and do something about it. <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

Fair enough. I promised not to participate in CD discussions any more, and I stand by that. I've made my case anyway (well, I've made NIST's case, or tried to), and I can see why my incessant nagging can be seen as disruptive when everyone else believes in CD. <br><br>The reason I've been so adamant about it is that I spent some time reading and trying to understand the NIST report, because I though it made quite a lot of difference, in fact, whether those buildings were demolished with explosives or not. I always doubted CD, but after reading the report, I was convinced. And so I've been trying to communicate my new-found understanding and specifically to clear up some of the many misunderstandings about the "official story", but with little success I think. By "success", I don't mean getting people to agree with me, but getting people to try to understand what the "official story" actually says and to at least consider the arguments in favor of it, before rejecting them.<br><br>But maybe you're right, and it really doesn't matter, and so it really doesn't matter what people believe about it either. I tend to agree with proldic, though, that the "cause" of raising awareness about 9/11 has been hurt by the emphasis on cd (and related physical evidence-based theories), and I think the search for the truth about it in the "conspiracy community" has been hampered by it too. For instance, someone like Webster Tarpley, who I think raises some good points (and some not so good) buys the CD theory uncritically, and this perhaps leads him to a different conclusion than he would otherwise have reached. But maybe Ruppert is right, 9/11 happened, there's nothing we can do about it, why waste our energies on it. I don't think we're ever going to know the full truth about it anyway.<br><br>The CD theory also seems to me to be at the core of the disinfo strategy post-9/11, and so I've been wanting to sort of "sound the alarm" about that. But there's probably little purpose in nagging on about it. <br> <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I suppose when you say "critical thinking" you mean thinking that agrees with your own?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Not at all. By that I mean seeing the differences between the plane crash in Iran and 9/11. <p></p><i></i>