Shin Bet Vetoed Secret Israeli-Palestinian Peace Agreement

[bvonahsen]

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.gnn.tv/threads/18031/Shin_Bet_Vetoed_Secret_Israeli_Palestinian_Peace_Agreement" target="top">Guerrilla News</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Shin Bet Vetoed Secret Israeli-Palestinian Peace Agreement</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Drafted by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, Department of International Relations, University of Sussex<br>For immediate release 28.7.06</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>SHIN BET VETOED SECRET ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN PEACE AGREEMENT<br><br>Israeli and Palestinian Sources Concur: Israel Made War Inevitable<br>The Omega Institute (OI), which works closely with the Institute for Policy Research for Development (IPRD), has learned from Israeli and Palestinian sources that just prior to the current crisis, senior Hamas leaders were in active dialogue with Israeli religious leaders in a round of bilateral peace negotiations. Israeli negotiators included Rabbi Menachem Froman, former deputy leader and co-founder of the Israeli Settler movement Gush Khatif; Rabbi David Bigman, head of the liberal religious Kibbutz movement Yeshiva at Ma’ale Gilboa; and Yitzhak Frankenthal, founder of the Arik Institute. Ongoing negotiations had resulted in a breakthrough peace “understandingâ€

[bvonahsen]

Another article on the same subject from Guerrilla News.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2445/Kidnapped_in_Israel_or_Captured_in_Lebanon">Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Official justification for Israel's invasion on thin ice</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>As Lebanon continues to be pounded by Israeli bombs and munitions, the justification for Israel’s invasion is treading on very thin ice. It has become general knowledge that it was Hezbollah guerillas that first kidnapped two IDF soldiers inside Israel on July 12, prompting an immediate and violent response from the Israeli government, which insists it is acting in the interest of national defense. Israeli forces have gone on to kill over 370 innocent Lebanese civilians (compared to 34 killed on Israel’s side) while displacing hundreds of thousands more. But numerous reports from international and independent media, as well as the Associated Press, raise questions about Israel’s official version of the events that sparked the conflict two weeks ago.<br><br>The original story, as most media tell it, goes something like this: Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage. The incident happened on the Lebanese/Israel border in Israeli territory. The alternate version, as explained by several news outlets, tells a bit of a different tale: These sources contend that Israel sent a commando force into southern Lebanon and was subsequently attacked by Hezbollah near the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon’s southern territory. It was at this point that an Israel tank was struck by Hezbollah fighters, which resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the death of six.<br><br>As the AFP reported, “According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning.â€

[bvonahsen]

I might as well round it out with this one then.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2443/Gaza_and_Lebanon_Connecting_the_Dots" target="top"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Gaza and Lebanon Connecting the Dots</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:16:58 -0700<br>By Col. Daniel Smith, U.S. Army (Ret.)</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Israel starts a war to gain security while the U.S. backs an attack on two nascent democracies<br>Nero allegedly fiddled while Rome burned—and then took advantage of the conflagration to build a new palace. Today, in the eastern Mediterranean, George Bush appears to be watching Gaza and Lebanon burn, hoping to rid the area of two surrogates of Iran and Syria and thus create “spaceâ€

[havanagilla]

thanks b. i will read it closely later and perhaps post an excerpt in hebrew in my blog.<br>It is credible, in the sense that a new concept is now "cooking" among the settlers, to join forces with religious palestinian (hammas) against the evil forces of secular "masonry" as they see it. <br>This is one of the interesting offshoots of the disengagement, and there are more. The settlers, by and large, are beginning to disengage from the IDF and GSS etc., and you can witness that in the backtalks which are CHEERFUL at any loss of the IDF, and specific generals (who in their view, stabbed them in the back, like Halutz and others). Certainly, the mainstream gov is going to do all it can to stop this trend, and i don't even need to explain why, i hope. <br>I am ambivalent about it, and I wrote elsewhere that I had a major settler activist call me and we talked a lot about MC practices, and i understood from him that there is a shift within the religious fundies, to view the GSS as controlled by Masons and Rosicrucians etc. They place a lot of importance on homosexuality, as part of masonry, and in the final words he disclosed to me that the moslem clergy are now aware of it as well, and in fact have proven more successful in preventing masonry (HIS WORDS, not mine) amongst them, once they also realized that the international masonry of intel communities is responsible for the suicide bombers. <br><br>I am ambivalent because they are coming from the wrong place, IMHO, and are really believing that this is the devil, and that they only need to replace the "masonry" voodoo with "the true word of god" blah blah. (religious blah blah that is). BUt, I am happy they are on to something, and they will fight against MC in their vigorous ways, and they do have a lot of power, because they have this belief that they are "working for god" etc. <br><br>I am also happy that they are starting a good dialogue with the arabs, although so far their main achievement together was to stop the "gay parade" in jerusalem <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> . They are, in a way, waking up to see who the enemy is, but I doubt their solutions fit my agenda. Another disturbing fact in that alliance is the radicalization of religions in general. It is the alliance of fundies ! <br><br>So, what you bring up may well have happened, and could in fact have been one of the reasons the israeli gov went to war. I am a bit surprised to see the settlers' reps are AGAINST the war now, calling it names, crimes against humanity etc., which means there is an internal struggle now here, churning under the ground, during this war. In a way, the settlers might now have some common agendas with hizbollah (the idea of "party of god" and religious theocratic regime etc., hating homosexuality, promiscuity, etc.). Very complex situation, and we might see some surprising alliances emerging here in the region, later on. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[AlicetheCurious]

Hava, your post made my head swim... Talk about mixed feelings!! On the one hand, it's nice that some of the Jewish religious parties are making a constructive effort to reach out to their Muslim counterparts, on the other hand, I have a sinking feeling that if they succeed, we'd all be jumping from the frying pan into the fire!<br><br>Does the choice have to be between the neocon/capitalist/ Jewish-supremacist/Arab puppet alliance on the one hand, and an alliance between the Jewish/Muslim religious fundamentalists on the other?<br><br>Hello? Is there any room for secular liberal values at this table? Or are we too close to the "rapture" for such things now?<br><br>On the other hand, I have to confess that I've never prayed so much in my life...sign of the times. The way I figure it, the global powers that are wreaking havoc on the world are just too huge for us little people to fight without some help from The Big Mother. I'm just hoping She lives up to her name, in every sense. Worth a shot... <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

i have had similar thoughts in the last few months, and I think I also shared them here. Peace might be at the expense of progressive movements, women's rights and freedoms etc. I think its better than wars or corruption but I hope to flee in good time, before it happens, to the west. <br><br>My personal experience leads me to be skeptic with the ability of the liberal, secular progressive community to live up to its aspirations and talks, more so in the region (Mid EAst). It failed <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>me</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> big time, and I am in a way fed up with apologizing for a movement that de facto had little achievements or even credibility to stand up to <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>women</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> cross boundaries, or freedoms and peace or sustainability. MeMe's are all the time fighting to survive, and it takes, probably, more than good intentions, or even good ideas, to capture the imagination and hopes of the multitudes. I am not going to become religious suddenly, and I am probably a product of western secular humanism and post-nationalism till I die, but perhaps the currents are moving back to religion, and religious fundiesm. Certainly, between Nazism (or what the fundies mistakenly call "international intelligence masonry") and fundie theocracy, i propose the second solution for the Middle East and my people in it. Iran chose it, possibly Palestine as well, and we'll see what happens. Israel is not decided, although the mainstream of zionism has always been secular. but religion is on the rise here continously. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://infowars.net/articles/july2006/300706cyber-soldiers.htm">infowars.net/articles/jul...ldiers.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>hey hava found some stuff on the megaphone software..<br><br><br> Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers<br><br>Yonit Farago / London Times | July 30 2006<br><br>WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.<br>Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.<br><br>In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.<br><br>Jonny Cline, of the international student group, said that Jewish students and youth groups with their understanding of the web environment were ideally placed to present another side to the debate.<br><br>“We’re saying to these people that if Israel is being bashed, don’t ignore it, change it,” Mr Cline said. “A poll like CNN’s takes just a few seconds to vote in, but if thousands take part the outcome will be changed. What’s vital is that the international face of the conflict is balanced.”<br><br>Doron Barkat, 29, in Jerusalem, spends long nights trawling the web to try to swing the debate Israel’s way. “When I see internet polls for or against Israel I send out a mailing list to vote for Israel,” he said. “It can be that after 15 minutes there will be 400 votes for Israel.<br><br>“It’s very satisfying. There are also forums where Lebanese and Israelis talk.”<br><br>Israel’s Foreign Ministry must avoid direct involvement with the campaign but is in contact with international Jewish and evangelical Christian groups, distributing internet information packs.<br><br>Amir Gissin, the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s public relations director, said: “The internet’s become a leading tool for news, shaping the world view of millions. Our problem is the foreign media shows Lebanese suffering, but not Israeli. We’re bypassing that filter by distributing pictures showing how northern Israelis suffer from Katyusha rocket attacks.” <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

4911, thanks, this article however was crossposted on the board somewhere. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>wishful thinking</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>A wild thought, just now. Maybe the IDF is trying to show the americans it is a bad army, so they drop the iran offensive idea. this is a bit too sophisticated, but I am trying to remember how children break many plates and glasses, to prove they cannot be relied on to do the dishes regularly. I wish our leaders were that smart...<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>more rockets ? or just vacation ?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Another thought. many neighbors here, palestinians, left israel this week for a vacation. Rockets coming ? or are they just avoiding the "nice" atmosphere vis a vis minorities here?<br><br>don't know. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>i am worried anyways.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

re Alice and liberal sanity:<br>I think it would be possible in an ideal world. Probably not this one, at least not today. It is an article of faith of mine that it's almost always possible to negotiate. Most people are sane. But with the west inflamming the radicals in Islam by their overt actions of war and covert death squads a negotiated compromise seems far away indeed.<br><br>As soon as the major fighting was over in Iraq, American and British death squads got to work showing the Iraqis' how it's done. Just as they taught Latin America in the 70's and 80's. I don't think that Rumsfeld or any of the administration neocons even knew this. They are "true believers" and that served the interests of others just fine. True belivers like the neocons and religious fundamentalists (christian evangelicals) are easily manipulated. They are very gullible and have almost no critical thinking skills. George Bush says that he sleeps well at night. He claims to be at peace and even "serene". Rumsfeld seems to be not terribly worried these days either. So much so that others are beginning to get alarmed. Newsweek Editor Zakaria recently said that Rumsfeld “Seems literally in a parallel universe and slightly deranged”. <br><br>I believe there really is a shadow government. Exactly what and who I've no idea. I also think that it is semi global in scope and probably involves many in the western intelligence community and the millitary industrial community which is now multinational. It longs to rule the world. They pull the strings behind puppets like Bush, Blair and other western leaders. I'm not totally sure, I give this theory about a 65% probability of being true.<br><br>I also think this conflict goes deeper than oil, which is what most people think it is about. I think it's about finances, the western way of doing business. You don't see any fighting in those arab countries or principalities who have embraced western finance like Dubai. It's true that Lebanon did, but they got in the way between Israel and Hizbohla. Libya gave in and now tenatively embraces the west and more importantly, western multinational business interests. The charge of "state terrorism" is just the magicians handkerchief waving around to draw your eye while the other hand is in your pocket or around your throat. <p></p><i></i>