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Just returned from a brief attendance at the demo (first 45 minutes). Definitely a sad event and thoughtprovoking. --<br>Haaretz reports 5000, it was better than the other demo, bigger and more substantial, still not much of a scare to halutz.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 8/5/06 4:09 pm<br></i>

5000 ? wow, it's going up fast, was only hundreds last week and the week before about a hundred were the numbers I've seen.<br><br>@ <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en">zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This war has<br>Only one aim left:<br><br>To save the prestige of<br>Olmert,<br>Peretz<br>And Halutz.<br><br>All the other aims<br>Have gone up in smoke.<br><br>There is no military solution.<br>----------------------------------------------------<br>Tomorrow, Saturday, 6 pm, in Tel-Aviv, we shall take part in a march of all the peace organizations against the war.<br>Starting from Ben-Zion Boulevard corner King George, we shall march to Magen David Square. JOIN!<br>------------------------------------------------------<br>Ad published in Haaretz, August 4, 2006 <p></p><i></i>

it is going up, and many many more are among those who will not demonstrate, but who feel a growing anger. they will not demonstrate because there is no point in that. <br><br>comparing this to 400,000 in 82, who didn't make a difference TOO, this is not great news. but, it seems that this time, the arab politicians are in the lead and they are more energetic than us. the major part of the israeli jews are very worn out, scared, and jaded. (the dissidents). Many are disempowered, like me, financially, and so they feel robbed and tired, and are not supported for a civil struggle. The american "softening" was very successful, namely, the 5 years sharon/ Netanyahu reign of ecomonic terror, has ripped the society/community apart. Its more "the american way" of silencing opposition, namely, a gradual process of economic terror and some "lynching" to make the psychological effect "burnt" deep in the mind. this works far better than official despotic oppression, that only serves to unite the populus against the despots and also looks bad in the international press. <p></p><i></i>

Hava sed:<br>"The american "softening" was very successful, namely, the 5 years sharon/ Netanyahu reign of ecomonic terror, has ripped the society/community apart. Its more "the american way" of silencing opposition, namely, a gradual process of economic terror and some "lynching" to make the psychological effect "burnt" deep in the mind. this works far better than official despotic oppression, that only serves to unite the populus against the despots and also looks bad in the international press."<br><br>WoW -- That's SHARP, well said.<br><br>I see the same thing's been done to huge effect, notably in Guatamala, El Salvador, and now Mexico. The big-stick of economic coercion, pounding a people with artificially-contrived economic hardship with the promise of a relief spigot IF the 'lesson' is learned -- appease the counterfeit 'American' interest corporatists (with International Banks and MIC and oiligarchy well-embedded).<br><br>If the UN was worth a damn, they'd be protecting Lebanon and bringing pressure to bear on the unacceptable war criminals within the Israeli and US 'leadership' that made this war possible.<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>

Good call re that economic terror.<br><br>Same thing here especially since we finally sold our souls, i mean signed a free trade agreement with the US. <p></p><i></i>

havanagilla, I keep checking my email, expecting to see notices of anti-war demonstrations here (I'm on all the lists), but there hasn't been a peep out of ANY of the usual demonstration organizers...not one word.<br><br>I think that what was said above about the "softening up" of the populace is true of many here in the US. There's a tremendous amount of burn-out and despair. I know that, as angry as I get at the way the US has just sat mute while Israel bombed Lebanon back into the Middle Ages, I only really spoke out a few times when out in public. Like at the gym, I heard a stupid upscale Republican woman make a remark about "Arabs grubbing around in the sand" and how much "more like us" the Israeli's are....so I piped up and really let her have it and noticed that all the other women there joined me.<br><br>But when she'd left in a huff we got to talking and we were all really wondering where all the anti-war protests are...??? We all hate this war and deplore $hrub's covert backing of it, but the big demonstrations <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">just aren't happening</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END-->....?<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=lilypattoo>LilyPatToo</A> at: 8/5/06 7:35 pm<br></i>