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Postby anotherdrew » Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:47 am

part 1 and 2 of the Las Vegas Mercury story by George Knapp published end of November 2002:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general32/strange.htm">www.rense.com/general32/strange.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general32/utah2.htm">www.rense.com/general32/utah2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This whole thing could have been a publicity stunt, I'd need to see some new interviews of Terry and Gwen Sherman far away from Mr. Big. The Knapp stories linked above talk of a wire story written/filed by a salt lake newspaper. Anyone have access to late 90's newswire stories? I'm wondering what pre-NIDS sources on this story there are. Does anyone remember hearing about this pre-2002?<br><br>and this on NIDS from:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/2271/">www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/2271/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The End of the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS)<br><br> I recently sat down for lunch with a former staff member of the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS). As a long time follower of the UFO field, over the years I had often heard stories and read rumors on message boards posted by conspiratorial minded Ufologists that NIDS was a front for the CIA; that NIDS had in its possession a crashed alien spacecraft; that NIDS was privy to secrets regarding alien technology; and many others.<br><br> Now that my acquaintance was no longer in their employ, I pressed for answers to these wild claims. As I suspected, nothing could have been further from the truth. Many in the UFO community looked to NIDS to "solve" the UFO problem. Some seemed to spend more time and energy gossiping about what NIDS was investigating, what NIDS should be investigating, or what information NIDS was hiding, than doing any original research of their own.<br><br> I learned that the real question is not what stunning information NIDS is hiding, but how a research organization could have such a poor track record of accomplishment over such an extended period of time.<br><br> My acquaintance confided that largely unknown to outsiders, NIDS fell prey to a variety of internal problems: poor management, lack of direction, lack of creativity, lack of funding, a negative company culture, poor hiring decisions, and low morale fueled by annual layoffs. This was compounded by the elusive nature of the field of study. In one example, when my acquaintance, newly hired, asked for direction, the response given was to "spend a couple of hours a day surfing the web for items of interest." (!)<br><br> According to this former staff member, "the unwritten rule for survival at NIDS was 'stay below the radar.' This applied even to the Administrator. Coming up with creative new ideas only threatened the leadership, and calling attention to the lack of direction or lack of work load only risked being put under the spotlight of Bigelow's attention — which could easily lead to being fired. It was this culture of fear that paralyzed the organization from the top down."<br><br> While many lessons can be learned from the problems at the National Institute for Discovery Science, for now the UFO community should simply know that after 9 years, NIDS as a research organization is over. Investigator Roger Pinson quit in January 2004, and with the May 2004 layoff of Deputy Administrator Bruce Cornet, there is no investigative staff remaining. (Dr. Cornet moved across the country to take the position at NIDS, only to be laid off by Bigelow less than 4 months later with no severence package and before he was there long enough to collect unemployment.) While you wouldn't know it from looking at the NIDS web site, the focus of the Science Advisory Board was long ago shifted to mainstream aerospace research. The National Institute for Discovery Science now consists only of Administrator Colm Kelleher, a receptionist, and a part-time site designer.<br><br> In a desperate attempt to keep sighting reports coming in (and to keep what little funding is remaining), the current Administrator is trying to maintain a ruse that NIDS is still an active research organization. As of July, the NIDS web site still lists the Science Advisory Board, and Dr. Bruce Cornet is still listed as staff, despite the fact that he was laid off months ago. I was also told that while addressing the audience at a recent scientific conference, the current Administrator stated that NIDS has in its employ a full time veterinarian, a fact that hasn't been true for at least 3 years!<br><br> Sadly, the final product of the National Institute for Discovery Science will have nothing to do with shedding light on the nature of the UFO enigma. What NIDS has to offer is a case study in how not to run an anomalies research organization. Before future attempts are made to conduct anomalies research on a similar scale, it would be wise to learn from the mistakes made at the National Institute for Discovery Science.<br><br> It is time for the UFO community to stop speculating on the research being conducted at the National Institute for Discovery Science and devise new research projects of their own. Otherwise, indeed they will be waiting a very long time for NIDS to share their research results — not, however, because NIDS is keeping them secret (which has always been the accusation), but because it is no longer conducting original research of any kind.<br><br> —Dale Stephens<br> dalestephens23@cox.net<br> July 2004<br> <p></p><i></i>
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this site has a lot on skinwalker ranch,

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:16 am

some going back to at least 1996:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_TheRanch.html">Utah UFO Hunters - The Ranch</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: here's something interesting in UINTAH COUNTY Utah...

Postby anotherdrew » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:30 am

Some county history from<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.media.utah.edu/UHE/u/UINTAHCT.html">www.media.utah.edu/UHE/u/UINTAHCT.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In about 1888 Gilsonite was discovered in various parts of the county and on the eastern portion of the Uncompahgre and Uintah reservations. Miners quickly persuaded the federal government to withdraw 7,000 acres from the Uintah Reservation so that they could legally mine Gilsonite. This area, called "The Strip," <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>for a time lacked any law and order</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hmmm. What the heck is Gilsonite? Let's see...<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Gilsonite<br>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.<br><br>Gilsonite is a form of natural asphalt <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>found in large amounts only in the Uintah Basin of Utah</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Discovered in the 1860, it was first marketed as a laquer, electrical insulator and waterproofing compound about twenty-five years later by Samuel H. Gilson.<br><br>It is mined, not pumped and resembles shiny black obsidian. It is also sometimes called natural asphalt, asphaltite, uintaite, or asphaltum. Although a hydrocarbon, it is not often denominated among the fractions of petroleum.<br><br>Recently, there are some mines in Kermanshah, Iran that have been discovered and extracted for some years.<br><br>Gilsonite was used by Ford Motor Company as a principial component of the Japan Black lacquer used on most of the Ford Model T cars.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sounds like unique stuff. Hmm, the original company is still in business: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.americangilsonite.com/">www.americangilsonite.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>A resin made from the stuff is used in modern newspaper inks. Nasty looking stuff...<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~adg/images/minerals/org/gilson.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Here's the "discoverer"...<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.lofthouse.com/USA/Utah/carbon/photos/gilson.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Locations of mines include Dragon, Watson and Bonanza Utah. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Does anyone have a location for where this ranch is/was located?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> I've seen no hint as to where in Uintah County it is located.<br><br>Seems to me like a possible substance that might be desired by those who come thu the "portals" for some special properties it has that they are aware of. Perhaps some people are aware of them too. I can see this stuff being made into a very nasty think black substance.<br><br>Whatever the stuff is good for beyond the openly claimed uses we put it to, it's veins go deep into the earth yet it is only found in any quantity here in this one area (and recently discovered in Iran of all places). <p></p><i></i>
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location location location

Postby anotherdrew » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:54 am

Location: Fort Duchesne, Uintah County, Utah<br>Population: 1,649 -- Time Zone: Mountain<br>Latitude: 40.30458 -- Longitude: -109.8546 -- Elevation: 4988 Feet <br>I'm not sure that location is correct tho:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ll=40.30458,-109.8546&spn=0.452134,1.087646">maps.google.com/maps?f=q&...4,1.087646</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"The Ranch is currently owned by NIDS and is Private Property. NIDS does not want you there, its gaurded and under electronic survailence. Tresspassers will be prosecuted. -Note: The Ranch is to be considered dangerous & unpredictable, attempting to enter the Ranch puts your safety at risk....<br>The Ranch is located in Utah's Uinta Basin an area with a long history of UFO sightings."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sounds to me like NIDS eventally took on the exact same goal as the "events" spooking the family had - keep people away. Note that despite the visitors demonstrated destructive capability, they never killed or injured a human person. <p></p><i></i>
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Bridgewater, MA

Postby slomo » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:35 pm

On the subject of "evil" places, not all of them are in the sparsely populated West. Here is some information on one in Massachusetts, the so-called "Bridgewater triangle", at the center of which is the Hockomock Swamp:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://members.aol.com/soccorro64/btriangle.htm">members.aol.com/soccorro64/btriangle.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Although somewhat hushed about the matter, my partner's parents have seen UFOs in the area. I've also seen a hitchhiker (one of the reported phenomena) in the Hockomock Swamp, although since I never stopped to pick him up I have no idea whether he/it was an apparation. <p></p><i></i>
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George Knapp

Postby marykmusic » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:20 pm

He broke into national prominence as the first journalist to tell about Area 51. I met him, listened to his talk, and sold him several of my CD's, on Memorial Day weekend 2003 at the annual UFO conference in Rachel, Nevada. (I gave a speech there as well, passed Towerbusters out to each member of the audience, and left a cloudbuster at the Little Ale E Inn; plus my friend and I bracketed the area with our other metaphysical tools.)<br><br>George spoke of the Ranch and was emphatic that many monstrous creatures had been sighted there, and that the Shoshone had stories about the area as well, going 'way back. Horses died, cattle were mutilated. People were not hurt but many didn't last long. The Ranch has changed hands often. <br><br>It sounds to me like a portal, and a rift in the etheric envelope. Perhaps the Gilsonite is the key here; and that some has been discovered in Iran piques my alarm... --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: George Knapp

Postby dbeach » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:24 pm

Mary<br><br>I am not so familar with portals but I do now that a type of membrane separates our dimension from the aliens.<br><br>Its possible for us to reach into their dimension and grab one as I have done .....under the right circumstances.<br><br>I think this is much of the confusion about aliens and why most have never seen them.. THEY SEE US AND HIDE SAFELY IN THEIR DIMENSION<br><br>I am drawn to this area at my local beach which I think is a portal ..just based on my feelings and many summer days spent in that area which is across the street from the ocean<br><br>hard to expain it.<br><br>Montauk LI [New York]s about 6 miles across the ocean from this spot in RI and visible on clear days..<br><br>Montauk is closed now but was TS USAF base and possible part of Philadelphia experiment <p></p><i></i>
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Re: George Knapp

Postby marykmusic » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:28 am

Montauk is definately a portal. It's still protecte territory and people aren't allowed in there. --MaryK<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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