new video of alleged entity encounter (Mexico)

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Re: alien encounter caught on camera?

Postby anotherdrew » Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:21 am

the 'cut' is from activating the digital zoom first to 2x then to 4x.<br><br><br>I think the alien just wanted to give the kid a lollipop, but the kid freaked out and scared off the friendly alien.<br><br>Or - maybe the alien was passing though the area 'cloaked' studing earth culture, when his sensors told him the kid had a life threatening illness... In order to treat the otherwise terminal condition the alien had to touch the kid long enough to inject a medical nano-bot. The kid will probably be fine now, and never even know the disease he would have died from otherwise.<br><br>Or - well, who knows, puppetry should not be ruled out.<br><br>===<br>It looks like the "thing" vanishes as it's pulling back... really weird, we should be seeing more of this type of footage now that millions of people have video cameras with them at all times. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 1/12/06 10:36 pm<br></i>
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It looks fake to me

Postby pugzleyca3 » Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:46 am

But, hey, who am I to say? I'm inside the looking glass now, so nothing surprises me except the fact that nothing is ever cut and dried and for sure without some kind of doubt about it. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Even if the picture was clear as a bell, I don't think it would prove much in this age of photo shop and ease of faking pics, especially online. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: It looks fake to me

Postby Synthetic Zero » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:38 pm

Buy what about the two soccer balls? <p>----<br>The best way to keep a secret is to tell everyone.</p><i></i>
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:(

Postby freddie » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:03 pm

I feel sorry for those of you who say it's a hoax.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: :(

Postby orz » Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:37 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I feel sorry for those of you who say it's a hoax.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Why?<br><br>Does it harm us in any way to be sceptical of this?<br><br>All it is is a short phonecam clip at tiny resolution on the internet. You can barely even see anything, and there's no way to be sure what it is, whether it's fake or real, whether it really comes from the context it's reported as, etc etc.<br><br>Clearly noone who has only the info we've been presented with here can say for sure if it's real or hoax. In this day of viral marketing and easily fooled internet people it's probably safe to guess that it's some kind of fake. If it's real, hooray. So what? We still don't know what it is!<br><br>Until I go to mexico and am grabbed by a aliens hiding behind lampposts whom I was not looking out for due to my cynicism about this clip, there's nothing at all for you be sorry about! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: :(

Postby Col Quisp » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:19 pm

Even the folks over at GLP are saying it's a hoax. Sorry! <p></p><i></i>
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It's a hoax

Postby professorpan » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:37 am

The kids admitted it was a hoax. <p></p><i></i>
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-or maybe not?

Postby OpLan » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:26 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general69/mex.htm">www.rense.com/general69/mex.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"According to a written instrument sent to MILENIO by Jaime Maussan, radioactivity was found at the site where three youths recorded a seemingly non-human being on March 20, 2005 using a cell phone. <br> <br>The text says that astronomer and physicist Jorge Guerrero stated that the discovery was astounding and inexplicable, since there is no reason to justify the existence of radiation in Fraccionamiento del parque. Measurements taken with specialized equipment detected the presence of radiation not deemed hazardous, but merely as "dark matter". <br> <br>"I wonder it was me who was hoodwinked or you, dear friends of Milenio." <br> <br>The text goes on: present at the site where the youths who participated in the video's recording, Jose Alonso Herrera and David Espada. Maussan points out that great expectations have emerged around the so-called Merida Alien. However, this has allowed some like Jorge Moreno or Sergio Valdez Diaz of "Misterios de Merida" magazine to slam the researchers. "According to Moreno and Valdez, the video is only a prank by a young man who donned a carnival mask, which they state was admitted by not one buy all of the youth's participating in the event." Maussan says that Valdez Diaz told Daniel Barquet, a reporter for MILENIO, that the youths had mocked Maussan because they wanted to "get some dough" out of him and also because they wanted to pull the wool over his eyes. In stating this fact, notes the journalist, neither Barquet nor Valdez exhibit a single shred of proof or authoritative evidence." <br>----------------------------------------------------------<br>what is it about mexico and UFO encounters?<br>fleets of orbs,chupacabras,strange humanoid pilots on flying pulpits,and fake video just in case it isn't weird enough for you..<br><br>I wonder if Area 51 use the mexicans as test subjects for thier new toys.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: -or maybe not?

Postby professorpan » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:43 pm

Maussan is a pretty popular figure in Mexico (not just in Ufological circles). My guess is the kids thought they could make mucho dinero with their video. <br><br>They wouldn't be the first to try to make $$ on a hoax (just ask Santilli and the "alien autopsy" crew). <p></p><i></i>
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It May Look Authentic; Here's How to Tell It Isn't

Postby nomo » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:07 pm

<br><br>It May Look Authentic; Here's How to Tell It Isn't<br>By NICHOLAS WADE<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/science/24frau.html">www.nytimes.com/2006/01/2...4frau.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Among the many temptations of the digital age, photo-manipulation has proved particularly troublesome for science, and scientific journals are beginning to respond.<br><br>Some journal editors are considering adopting a test, in use at The Journal of Cell Biology, that could have caught the concocted images of the human embryonic stem cells made by Dr. Hwang Woo Suk.<br><br>At The Journal of Cell Biology, the test has revealed extensive manipulation of photos. Since 2002, when the test was put in place, 25 percent of all accepted manuscripts have had one or more illustrations that were manipulated in ways that violate the journal's guidelines, said Michael Rossner of Rockefeller University, the executive editor. The editor of the journal, Ira Mellman of Yale, said that most cases were resolved when the authors provided originals. "In 1 percent of the cases we find authors have engaged in fraud," he said.<br><br>The two editors recognized the likelihood that images were being improperly manipulated when the journal required all illustrations to be submitted in digital form. While reformatting illustrations submitted in the wrong format, Dr. Rossner realized that some authors had yielded to the temptation of Photoshop's image-changing tools to misrepresent the original data.<br><br>In some instances, he found, authors would remove bands from a gel, a test for showing what proteins are present in an experiment. Sometimes a row of bands would be duplicated and presented as the controls for a second experiment. Sometimes the background would be cleaned up, with Photoshop's rubber stamp or clone stamp tool, to make it prettier.<br><br>Some authors would change the contrast in an image to eliminate traces of a diagnostic stain that showed up in places where there shouldn't be one. Others would take images of cells from different experiments and assemble them as if all were growing on the same plate.<br><br>To prohibit such manipulations, Dr. Rossner and Dr. Mellman published guidelines saying, in effect, that nothing should be done to any part of an illustration that did not affect all other parts equally. In other words, it is all right to adjust the brightness or color balance of the whole photo, but not to obscure, move or introduce an element.<br><br>They started checking illustrations in accepted manuscripts by running them through Photoshop and adjusting the controls to see if new features appeared. This is the check that has shown a quarter of accepted manuscripts violate the journal's guidelines.<br><br>In the 1 percent of cases in which the manipulation is deemed fraudulent - a total of 14 papers so far - the paper is rejected. Revoking an accepted manuscript requires the agreement of four of the journal's officials. "In some cases we will even contact the author's institution and say, 'You should look into this because it was not kosher,' " Dr. Mellman said.<br><br>He and Dr. Rossner plan to add software tests being developed by Hani Farid, an applied mathematician at Dartmouth. With a grant from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which is interested in ways of authenticating digital images presented in court, Dr. Farid is devising algorithms to detect alterations.<br><br>His work has attracted interest from many people, he said, including eBay customers concerned about the authenticity of images, people answering personal ads, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>paranormal researchers studying ghostly emanations</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and science editors.<br><br>For the latter, Dr. Farid is developing a package of algorithms designed to spot specific types of image manipulation. When researchers seek to remove an object from an image, such as a band from a gel, they often hide it with a patch of nearby background. This involves a duplication of material, which may be invisible to the naked eye but can be detected by mathematical analysis.<br><br>If an object is enlarged beyond the proper resolution, Photoshop may generate extra pixels. If the object is rotated, another set of pixels is generated in a characteristic pattern.<br><br>An object introduced from another photo may have a different angle of illumination. The human eye is largely indifferent to changes in lighting, Dr. Farid said, but conflicting sources of illumination in a single image can be detected by computer analysis and are a sign of manipulation.<br><br>"At the end of the day you need math," Dr. Farid said. He hopes to have a set of tools available soon for beta-testing by Dr. Rossner.<br><br>Journals depend heavily on expert reviewers to weed out papers of poor quality. But as the Hwang case showed again, reviewers can do only so much. The defined role of reviewers is not to check for concocted data but to test whether a paper's conclusions follow from the data presented.<br><br>The screening test addresses an issue reviewers cannot easily tackle, that of whether the presented data accurately reflect the real data. Because journal editors now have the ability to perform this sort of quality control, "they should do it," Dr. Rossner said.<br><br>The scientific community has not yet come to grips with the temptations of image manipulation, Dr. Mellman said, and he would like to see other journals adopt the image-screening system, even though it takes 30 minutes a paper. "We are a poor university press," he said, without the large revenue enjoyed by journals such as Nature, Science and Cell. "If they can't bear this cost, something must be dreadfully wrong with their business models," he said.<br><br>Science, in fact, has adopted The Journal of Cell Biology's guidelines and has just started to apply the image-screening test to its own manuscripts. "Something like this is probably inevitable for most journals," said Katrina Kelner, a deputy editor of Science.<br><br>She became interested as a quality control measure, not because of the concocted papers of Dr. Hwang, two of which Science published. Dr. Mellman says the system would have caught at least the second of Dr. Hwang's fabrications, since it "popped out like a sore thumb" under the image screening test.<br><br>But other editors are less enthusiastic. Emilie Marcus, editor of Cell, said that she was considering the system, but that she believed in principle that the ethics of presenting true data should be enforced in a scientist's training, not by journal editors.<br><br>The problem of manipulated images, she said, arises from a generation gap between older scientists who set the ethical standards but don't understand the possibilities of Photoshop and younger scientists who generate a paper's data. Because the whole scientific process is based on trust, Dr. Marcus said: "Why say, 'We trust you, but not in this one domain?' And I don't favor saying, 'We don't trust you in any.' "<br><br>Rather than having journal editors acting as enforcers, she said, it may be better to thrust responsibility back to scientists, requiring the senior author to sign off that the images conform to the journal's guidelines.<br><br>Those guidelines, in her view, should be framed on behalf of the whole scientific community by a group like the National Academy of Sciences, and not by the fiat of individual editors.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: :(

Postby Still Tired Unhappy » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:32 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hmm, strange how the footage when the alien appears is so much lower quality and framerate than the beginning bit...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>if you use camera phone with zoom function, that's what you get when u zoom in during recording video.it's digital zoom, basically just enlarge the the image/video, so the quality will be droped. <p></p><i></i>
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