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Re: Who can blame them ?

Postby thoughtographer » Mon May 08, 2006 9:40 pm

I guess my point is that nobody is trying to kill anyone or quash anyone's attempts to speak their opinions here, so save the rhetoric. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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And my point is.......

Postby slimmouse » Mon May 08, 2006 9:49 pm

<br><br> That history is littered with the corpses of those who questioned official religious belief. They are subsequently riddled with the corpses of those who deny official science.<br><br> Perhaps you guys who sit there posting much, but actually offering little opinion are the smart ones after all.<br><br> You'll 'Live' longer, and your egos will remain intact. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> Live long and prosper lol. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: And my point is.......

Postby thoughtographer » Mon May 08, 2006 9:57 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Perhaps you guys who sit there posting much, but actually offering little opinion are the smart ones after all.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Lay it on me, champ. I'm patiently awaiting the post in which you spell it all out. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/8/06 7:57 pm<br></i>
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Quid pro Quo.,..

Postby slimmouse » Mon May 08, 2006 10:09 pm

<br> Quid pro quo, Clarys,<br><br> I think, my beliefs about any number of topics are out there.<br><br> No Airplane at the pentagon, No Jesus born on Dec 25th, No need for Oil, War is a racket ( hell, I even concur with DE on that one ), Huge UFO cover up, Diana was ritually assassinated, The USA is little more than a city of London ( and associates ) company.<br><br> Bird Flu is bullshit, as is the "Promised land of Israel" myth - not to mention the nature of the modern "Israeli".<br><br> Bushco funded the Nazis, and the current Axis consists of the USA, Britain, and Israel.<br><br> The human species is a genetically engineered supercomputer, a cross between the Lion and the Ape, with a reptillian brainstem.<br><br> To name but a few of my twisted beliefs <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> Right there for you to see and laugh at . <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Quid pro Quo.,..

Postby thoughtographer » Mon May 08, 2006 10:11 pm

What does any of that have to do with crop circles? <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Quid pro Quo.,..

Postby Dreams End » Mon May 08, 2006 10:19 pm

Howdy all. Anyone ever been to the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.circlemakers.org/">circlemakers</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> site before? They claim to be the main hoaxing organization. They don't tell ahead of time what they will do but only take credit after...so no proof provided. <br><br>they do have plans and diagrams about how you, too, can make a circle. I saw some of them interviewed once...purely subjectively, they feel like intel kinda folks...too polished or something. <br><br>Very slick site. Be curious about other opinions. I'm pretty sure they didn't kill Diana though. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Quid pro Quo.,..

Postby thoughtographer » Mon May 08, 2006 10:26 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Howdy all. Anyone ever been to the circlemakers site before? They claim to be the main hoaxing organization. They don't tell ahead of time what they will do but only take credit after...so no proof provided.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Hi. Yeah, I've been to their site. What they should do if they haven't already, is place the plans for a glyph in a sealed envelope, along with its planned location and approximate time of execution and give the whole shebang to a third party who will reveal the information publicly at a predetermined time and location, whether they pulled it off or not. If something like this hasn't been proposed to the circlemakers group yet, I would be surprised, though I don't think the results of such a test would mean anything much at all. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/8/06 8:27 pm<br></i>
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10k for DE and friends.

Postby slimmouse » Mon May 08, 2006 10:27 pm

<br><br> This summer, especially for DE and friends, I am offering a special promotion.<br><br> Anyone who can replicate the Julian spiral crop circle between tides at my local beach, can earn themselves an idiots 10k.<br><br> As many people as you like can join you.<br><br> Just dont make any kind of mess, or leave any abstract markings.<br><br> And be sure to bring youre square and compasses, and measure out the circles to precise definition<br><br> Childs play guys. The money is GUARANTEED.<br><br> I wont, of course be holding my breath.<br><br> Come grab it <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> Hilarious <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 10k for DE and friends.

Postby thoughtographer » Mon May 08, 2006 10:30 pm

Hello, Amazing Randi! <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: 10k for DE and friends.

Postby Dreams End » Tue May 09, 2006 12:41 am

slimmouse,<br><br>What is your problem, exactly. I happen to believe that prosaic and hoax theories do NOT explain crop circles. Nothing I've said here suggests otherwise. <br><br>From blown nodes, to metallic spheres distributed non-randomly to overly complex lays to all sorts of other things, I suggest that its something bigger than two guys and a wooden plank.<br><br>You need to examine your rigidly black and white thinking. To question aspects of something is not to reject the thing outright or to embrace some contrived opposite. But I didn't even question the phenomenon. In fact, I mentioned the quite incredible footage of the helicopter and the alleged attempt by a CIA agent to PREVENT the promotion of the idea that crop circles aren't hoaxes. <br><br>The circle makers looks like disinfo to me, which is why I posted it. But I was serious when I said they didn't kill Diana.<br><br>So why you challenge me to reproduce a circle is beyond me. <p></p><i></i>
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Art in Crop Circles

Postby JD » Tue May 09, 2006 1:02 am

IMO, without ever seeing one up close and in person, most if not all crop circles could be easily faked. Wheat bends pretty easily at the stem. Just the opinion of a farm boy.<br><br>BUT WHAT CAN'T be faked is the incredible design of many of the circles. Many are stunningly beautiful, and to my plain old eye deploy very sophisticated design thinking.<br><br>I find this frustrating, because like so many anomolous topics I encounter, I can't offer a sensible explanation for the phenonema.<br><br>I can't help but to wonder if that is exactly why they are being constructed. Could they be a small of activities and events that are serving to break our sense of reality and rational thought? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Art in Crop Circles

Postby Dreams End » Tue May 09, 2006 1:10 am

Just for slim:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>                         <br>                        <br>Several years ago, astronomer Gerald S. Hawkins, former Chairman of the astronomy department at Boston University, noticed that some of the most visually striking of the crop-circle patterns embodied geometric theorems that express specific numerical relationships among the areas of various circles, triangles, and other shapes making up the patterns (Science News: 2/1/92, p. 76). In one case, for example, an equilateral triangle fitted snugly between an outer and an inner circle. It turns out that the area of the outer circle is precisely four times that of the inner circle.Three other patterns also displayed exact numerical relationships, all of them involving a diatonic ratio, the simple whole-number ratios that determine a scale of musical notes. "These designs demonstrate the remarkable mathematical ability of their creators," Hawkins comments.Hawkins found that he could use the principles of Euclidean geometry to prove four theorems derived from the relationships among the areas depicted in crop circles. He also discovered a fifth, more general theorem, from which he could derive the other four (see diagram, left). "This theorem involves concentric circles which touch the sides of a triangle, and as the [triangle] changes shape, it generates the special crop-circle geometries," he says.Hawkins' fifth crop-circle theorem involves a triangle and various concentric circles touching the triangle's sides and corners. Different triangles give different sets of circles. An equilateral triangle produces one of the observed crop-circle patterns; three isoceles triangles generate the other crop-circle geometries.What is most surprising is that all geometries give diatonic (musical) ratios. Never before have geometric theorems been linked with music.Curiously, Hawkins could find no reference to such a theorem in the works of Euclid or in any other book that he consulted. When he challenged readers of Science News and The Mathematics Teacher to come up with his unpublished theorem, given only the four variations, no one reported success.In July 1995, however, "the crop-circle makers . . . showed knowledge of this fifth theorem," Hawkins reports. Among the dozens of circles surreptitiously laid down in the wheat fields of England, one pattern fit Hawkins' theorem based on the stringent definitions, on the rules established by the circles over the period 1980 to the present.The Circlemakers responsible for this old-fashioned type of mathematical ingenuity remain at large and unknown. Their handiwork flaunts a facility with Euclidean geometry and signals an astonishing ability to bend living plants without cracking stalks, and to trace out complex, precise patterns, most under cover of darkness, with a few notable exceptions during daytime. <br><br>NOTE: The circlemakers' fifth theorem has been published in the Mathematics Teacher, the magazine of the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics. Get it through your local library, or order it for US dollars by e-mail Attention "Kay Reuter/Customer Service Dept" orders@nctm.org Ask for information on how to order page 441, volume 91, Number 5. <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.lovely.clara.net/hawkins.html">www.lovely.clara.net/hawkins.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Summary of things hard to fake:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.greatdreams.com/crop/hoax/hoax.htm">www.greatdreams.com/crop/hoax/hoax.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Interesting science (but rarely updated site):<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.bltresearch.com/updates.html">www.bltresearch.com/updates.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>(Woman interviewed in QFT is from BLT. )<br><br>Laurence Rockefeller was funding research into this...so either he believes in them or is creating them...take your pick.<br><br>Ghost image...what happens the year AFTER a circle forms:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.busty-taylor.com/cropper/20040001.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Quid pro Quo.,..

Postby Qutb » Wed May 10, 2006 6:42 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"I'm pretty sure they didn't kill Diana though."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Don't be so sure, my friend. Don't be so sure. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Quid pro Quo.,..

Postby Qutb » Wed May 10, 2006 6:50 am

Thanks thoughtographer, Jeff. That was the one I was thinking about. Guess it's fake then (would have been quite sensational otherwise). I agree the video with the helicopter is very interesting. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Quid pro Quo.,..

Postby Dreams End » Wed May 10, 2006 11:28 am

I'm happy to say that (I think) it was crop circle researchers themselves who outed that hoax. Many who study these sorts of things are way to credulous. <p></p><i></i>
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