The New Enlightenment website - Transformative Groups

by **NavnDansk** » Mon May 15, 2006 5:02 pm

<a href="http://www.hermes-press.com/">www.hermes-press.com/</a> Someone mentioned this site on RI recently. This is a political anti-bush/cheney cabal and spiritual site very deep and rich articles and artwork. Two new sections are on Transformative and Enlightening Groups and their dynamics and I highly recommend this site for insights and postive ideas on the current distressing political situation. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Symbiotic Group All esoteric knowledge seems commonplace to ordinary minds, and this is nowhere more true than with the arcane knowledge of group symbiosis. To the person who assumes he knows how groups operate, this Perennialist wisdom appears lackluster and simplistic. But let the ordinary person attempt to apply these higher operating procedures in an actual group setting, and he'll quickly discover how complex and enigmatic they really are. If he's intelligent--and honest--enough to comprehend and acknowledge what occurs, he'll recognize that his untutored efforts are incapable of applying these hidden precepts successfully. One of the first operating principles of an enlightening group is that the persons involved must be interested in learning how to cooperate in a group setting to accomplish goals chosen by all its members. The members must all be active participants, not mere observers. In enlightening groups the persons who set the goals are responsible for realizing them. It's only reasonable that those who share the responsbility of carrying out group goals should have the opportunity to share in planning what's to be done. The other element included in that first principle is that the members must all be eager to learn the essential skills required for effective group participation, leading to the success of each member and of the organization as a whole. They must recognize that persons do not develop such specialized skills in the ordinary course of human experience--that they require technical training in the principles and procedures involved. Granted, many current groups claim that all members are equal and that the group is working toward goals which will fulfill the needs of all participants. But as most of us experience, these claims are entirely spurious: there are hidden agendas, subtle--and sometimes not so subtle--manipulation of group processes...<hr></blockquote> As the world plunges headlong into the maelstrom of dictatorship and the collapse of civilization, Perennialist 1 teachers organize Transformative Groups, making arcane wisdom available to humankind essential for the species' survival. The Perennialist transformative group is one of two ordering structures most effective for adapting higher knowledge to the present time. The arcane knowledge of personal transformation and group symbiosis 2 is absolutely essential to humankind's survival and has been revealed by such Perennialist teachers as Hermes, Krishna, Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Jesus, Paul, and Boethius. This essay is part one of a two part series dealing with: The nature and operation of transformative groups in assisting persons to achieve higher spiritual awarenessThe hidden knowledge of group symbiosis and how this can be applied in enlightening groups and then disseminated in society at large The Esoteric Teaching of Transformative Groups Perennialist savants all teach the esoteric wisdom of individual transformation, group solidarity, and group reasoning. You may have wondered why advanced spiritual teachers all create close-knit coalitions of seekers and initiates--Egyptian hierophant temples, Pythagoras' community, Plato's Academy, the esoteric Christian communities, the Neo-Platonic academies in Alexandria, the Cathedral schools, St Bernard's Cistercian Order, the Cambridge Platonist group, and so on. There are multifarious reasons for this as we shall see, but three of the major purposes for forming a very select circle are: To provide a new organ of transformation utilizing a unique adaptation of the Perennial wisdom, to which students may seek admittance after undergoing prerequisite preparation So the teacher can create a hierarchy of levels within the group through which to carry on her transformative operations To teach, through experience, the veiled mysteries of how groups of people can think and interact together at a higher level of consciousness The Necessity of Transformative Groups Before exploring the hidden wisdom concerning individual transformation, it's necessary for us to comprehend why such rescuing and transformative groups are absolutely essential relative to present circumstances. As the world is falling apart, it is only such advanced brotherhoods that have the higher knowledge as to how to transform human character while at the same time preserving the essentials of human civilization. Transformative groups provide the most effective organizational and strategic means for struggling against personal and social ignorance and tyranny. These coalitions of advanced thinkers provide effective laboratories for experimentation and training in consensus decision-making which will produce innovative concepts and procedures to use in resuscitating human culture. These initiate echelons provide a sustaining environment of open, positive interpersonal interchange in which individuals can develop to their fullest. Transformative fellowships provide security in numbers and commitment. Transformative groups provide the substructure of a new society for future generations. These groupings of initiates provide a supportive experimental environment in which new ideas, art forms, and approaches can be tried, tested, and nurtured. "The torch of civilization is carried . . . by a small minority of restless and enterprising men. The members of this minority work in countless ways, and there is an immense variation in the nature and value of their several activities. . . What they always aim at, whether by design or only instinctively, is the improvement of human life on this earth. One of them may do no more than devise a new and better rat trap, or a new way to make beans, or a new phrase, but some other, on some near tomorrow, may synthesize edible proteins or square the circle. Out of this class come not only all the men who enrich civilization, but also all those who safeguard it. They are the guardians of what it has gained in the past as well as the begetters of all it gains today and will gain hereafter. Left to the great herd it would deteriorate inevitably, as it has deteriorated in the past whenever the supply of impatient and original men has fallen off...." H. L. Mencken, Minority Report 2 Symbiosis: joining together in a mutually beneficial relationship 3 Empyreal: elevated, sublime, celestial, heavenly, the highest 4 Spirituality: the acquiring of understanding through actual participation in the reality 5 Religion is the accumulation of inert theological dogma and ritual; science is the current world view based on the conception of knowledge as materialistic, mechanistic, and empirical; magic is the assumed search for extra-normal phenomena through the exercise of heightened emotions ....This creative result [of higher group thinking] will take place in proportion as the group has reached in its discussion the spirit of worship, whether or not it is a religious group and uses this term. What happens is that a truly spiritual atmosphere pervades the group process. The essential difference between a group discussion which is truly religious and one which is irreligious is at this point: that, in a discussion which is religious, the group is earnestly seeking to find in any situation that which represents for that group the highest and best that they know or can discover." Harrison S. Elliott, (193<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> , The Process of Group Thinking ....As the world plunges headlong into the maelstrom of dictatorship and the collapse of civilization, Perennialist 1 teachers organize Transformative Groups, making arcane wisdom available to humankind essential for the species' survival. The Perennialist transformative group is one of two ordering structures most effective for adapting higher knowledge to the present time. The arcane knowledge of personal transformation and group symbiosis 2 is absolutely essential to humankind's survival and has been revealed by such Perennialist teachers as Hermes, Krishna, Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Jesus, Paul, and Boethius... <a href="http://www.hermes-press.com/spiritual_kinship.htm">www.hermes-press.com/spir...inship.htm</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=navndansk>NavnDansk</A> at: 5/15/06 3:08 pm

by **dude h homeslice ix** » Mon May 15, 2006 6:57 pm

this is the big paradox for me. livergood, i heard him interviewed on rense a couple years ago, and i am familiar with this website and some of the materials...and at the least, his basic thrust. the paradox: the very vessels of transmission of such knowledge, is also extremely susceptible to corruption by its very nature. in fact we can be assured of the same. and yet...here is a man who says that the way back through it, is back through it! <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Perennial Tradition has taken many names over the centuries, including Hermeticism, Philosophia, Neo-Plataonism, Illuminism, Alchemy, Cabala, Magic, Gnosticism, Esotericism and Sufism. It is the single stream of initiatory teaching flowing through all the great schools of mysticism. But . . . why should we be interested in learning about the Perennial Tradition? To answer that question, author Norman D. Livergood refers the reader to his earlier book, America, Awake! We Must Take Back Our Country, in which he described the current condition of the social-political-economic world. States Livergood: "That book's purpose was to help people awaken to the reality of what is happening in that world""beyond the illusory myths of political-economic propaganda and brainwashing. My thesis was that unless America awakens it will likely suffer the fate of 1930s Germany: dictatorship, repression, and imperialistic militarism. "In a similar vein, The Perennial Tradition is another wake-up call. It was written to assist readers to awaken to the Higher Spiritual World."?<hr></blockquote> see those words, magic, cabala, illuminism...four letter words amongst conspiracy circles, right? what are we to make of this? i suggested on another thread that the best candidate to take on the socalled "black lodge" would be the "white." i suggested that mind control tech is not merely a function of psychology, nor of merely the occult, but a synthesis of the two--and that really fighting back would require that the opposition be able to hold their own on the occult side of things... hmm...

by **dude h homeslice ix** » Mon May 15, 2006 7:04 pm

example of how knowing the language can help: <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=4340.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...4340.topic</a>

by **thoughtographer** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:27 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>i suggested on another thread that the best candidate to take on the socalled "black lodge" would be the "white."<hr></blockquote> The "White Lodge" is Theosophical territory. I don't think we don't need any more Benjamin Cremes or Charles Leadbeaters than we already have (or had). A Blavatsky or two would be cool, but I'm afraid the time for people like H.P.B. is long passed. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>i suggested that mind control tech is not merely a function of psychology, nor of merely the occult, but a synthesis of the two--and that really fighting back would require that the opposition be able to hold their own on the occult side of things...<hr></blockquote> I agree about synthesis being a necessity. If you're talking about "the occult", then you're already talking about "psychology" whether you like it or not, and people shouldn't allow their biases against one or the other to get in the way of moving forward. Parapsychology is an extant framework where such a synthesis exists, but the barriers to entry are too large and intimidating for most people, so they head to the fringes in an attempt to crawl through an unguarded entrance, never to be heard from again by the real world. The synthesis needs to develop without turning into a new "tradition" (see: every modern, operative "occult" group) or "science" (see: everything, everywhere), but it seems like not enough people are comfortable operating without a perceived authority or organization directing the effort. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/15/06 7:35 pm

by **dude h homeslice ix** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:14 am

If you're talking about "the occult", then you're already talking about "psychology" whether you like it or not, and people shouldn't allow their biases against one or the other to get in the way of moving forward." bingo.

by **anotherdrew** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:54 am

well on the one hand it's all down to psychology isn't it? "what will people do? what can they be got to do? and how?" but to say 'psychology' is one thing, but what does it unpack into? Accepting that it's all psychology is accepting that the accedemic disipline of psychology, as practiced, is sufficient to understand all human behavior, and by understanding, predict and control in time. and doesn't that lead to acceptence of clockwork people? Regardless of the fact that we can't fully understand the workings of the clock, yet, it would still be a machine and one day it would be understood, and be run on a piece of hardware. Maybe, maybe it's like that - but if so, I think that hardware is going to need some kind of fantasic pantherial transducer to let the spirit in.

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:20 am

Drew, I don't think anyone is disregarding spiritual issues here. I'm saying that all disciplines need to be embraced, regardless of prejudice. Somebody's bound to play Dr. Frankenstein one of these days, so I guess the proof will be in the pudding for some people -- and who knows -- maybe the "life" they create will be more like pudding than we expect. Me, I'm not so sure I'll be convinced, regardless. I suspect that my cat has a soul, but I'm not quite sure what that really means -- and something tells me that I'm not supposed to. This is no man's land, and thank God it doesn't just belong to the academics anymore. Say what you will about pop culture, but at least more people are likely pursue the inspirations of their favorite authors, artists and musicians these days than ever -- fanatics turn pro. A culture of been-there-firsts fueled by the self-satisfying rush they get from "discovering" something "new" makes for some spectacular one-upsmanship when it comes time for a new artist to prove their credibility to the fans. These days, a lot of people are digging in odd, old and dark places for something new, and it's proving to be pretty interesting. I can't wait until the entertainment industry destroys itself from overextension, or is eaten from the inside out by later generations -- it's only a matter of time. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/16/06 1:58 am

by **anotherdrew** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:30 am

emmm pudding..... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p">

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:33 am

The pudding goes in the pantherial transducer. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **anotherdrew** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:43 am

all outta words tonight but I agree. the 'mainstream media' is less mainstream every day.

by **anotherdrew** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:45 am

"now if we can just reverse the polarity of the pantherial transducer, like this.... ah ha! yes! we've done it! We've downloaded a copy of god!" (I'm sure all Enlightening Groups have a sense of humor.) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 5/16/06 1:48 am

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:00 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"now if we can just reverse the polarity of the pantherial transducer, like this.... ah ha! yes! we've done it! We've downloaded a copy of god!"<hr></blockquote> "AHA! YES! -- WAIT! Uh -- this -- can't be right?" <blockquote>Quote:<hr>(I'm sure all Enlightening Groups have a sense of humor.)<hr></blockquote> I wish. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/16/06 2:00 am

by **NavnDansk** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:01 am

Drew, I think you are right about humor. I think even Jesus did though usually not emphasized. Thoughtographer, I was looking for the photos that Ted Serios took but could only find articles with photo of him alone. Thoughtography is an interesting concept and would like to see the photos he took if you have a link. dude h homeslice ix, interesting elucidation in your post, clicked on the link and read and will reread later, have to think of it more. Have you read Ovid's Metamorphoses. I have a wonderful translation and other translations were more serious and not as quick and interesting. Have to see if I can find my copy of this book. One of Picasso's mistresses paintings were featured in an how-to art magazine and she uses simplified forms of the Greek gods and said something interesting about Joseph Campbell. She was not putting him down but only talking about the limitations of the type of work he did and she said something like Campbell's work is like listing the biological structure of a piece of fruit and the nutrition it provides the way scientists do but if you want to have nutrition for your body you actually need to ingest the fruit. I think that an intellectual approach alone, leaves out some of the spiritual food that participating, even if only by appreciating art can do and that includes the rituals of the Catholic, Lutheran churches and also artwork by someone like DH Lawrence who caught the spirit of the ancient Greeks while Jame Joyce used the actual structure of the myths and both are valid ways of apprehending the truth in the myths. Rigorous Intuition! combination of the two.

by **thoughtographer** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:48 am

<a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=ted+serios&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title">Google Images</a> is a good place to start, and has a few of his more "important" images, like the color Denver Hilton below. <img src="http://www.editorialbitacora.com/bitacora/galeria/fenomenos01/paranormal22.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Maybe I'll scan the ones that I have from magazines and such, but you really should pick up Jule Eisenbud's The World of Ted Serios for the photos at the very least -- it's a great, human story. Really, I think Eisenbud's style of symbolic analysis of Ted's imagery is essential, but it may not be your thing. There was (is?) an exhibit of his photographs that I don't think travelled much, if at all -- but I sadly haven't seen any of his photos in person yet. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 5/16/06 3:07 am

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