Kubrick helped in moon landing hoax? - what a read!

[Peachtree Pam]

I am posting this with no comment other than this is a fascinating account. I only disagree with his concluding remarks. Since I can neither refute, nor support his analysis, I must rely on RI for comments. No matter what opinions are provoked, this is a thoroughly spellbounding article:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.serendipity.li/apollo/moonshine_6.htm">www.serendipity.li/apollo...hine_6.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

Can I still keep my moon rings??<br><br>I think man has been to the moon to hobknob with the ETs there..<br>How else is boy/god/king georgie gonna escape when the masses awake from thier narcotics??<br><br>this is related to operation paperclip which was the OSS allowing the nazi intelligence into the US to form the CIA AND HELPED create the mess we are in with the grandson of a nazi in the WH and the son of a nazi as gov of CA<br><br>"The reasons for the Soviet Union's superiority in rocket technology can be traced to the end of the Second World War. The Germans had greatly impressed the Allies with the power and accuracy of their rockets — the famous V1 and V2 in particular — and both the USA and the Soviet Union were keen to recruit to their own side as many of Hitler's rocket scientists as they could. The USA's most famous recruit, Wernher Von Braun, led its post-war drive to develop missile systems and begin the exploration of space. The Soviet Union's German rocket scientists were charged with doing pretty much the same thing. The two sides however adopted quite different strategies. "<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

Some French folks have made a documentary around that story, which at first is sort of believable (and very nicely done - they have clips from interviews with Rumsfeld and Kissinger, making it appear as if they are talking about something completely different than they really are), and then gets increasingly over-the-top until it is revealed as a hoax at the end.<br><br>I saw it with my old father, who believed all of it <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[DrDebugDU]

As far as I am personally concerned I don't consider it a hoax yet, however it is something which has been suggested many times for many years.<br><br>I started my journey into conspiracy theory by listening to William Cooper years ago, so it sounds appropriate to go full circle. As you know might know William Cooper ( <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hourofthetime.com/biography.html">www.hourofthetime.com/biography.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ) has been murdered November of 2001 by a raid on his house. He is one of the Bush Body Count as well and they probably didn't want him to research 9/11 because he would have fully emerged himself in that subject and mostlikely be one of the most outspoken researchers.<br><br>At first William sounded ridiculous and very far fetched. The weird thing is that many things William Cooper has said in the past which I found absolutely unbelievable have turned out to be true. I've always tried not to pay too much attention to his stories about Nasa and the UFOs/aliens, since that was always used as a way to discredit and ridicule him, but maybe he was right all along. Many of the things about the freemasons and the weird history stories which he talked about during his shows have turned out reliable and I consider them verified and mostly correct (some discrepencies but not many)<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>In 1961, William Branham said: "I tell you now, it's a program that'll take you a hundred billion, billion, million light years beyond the moon. That's right. And there if you go to the moon you couldn't set down because see, you'd jump right back up unless you had some magnet to hold you there. You couldn't stay over night; you'd freeze to death. In the daytime you'd burn up. What you going to do when you get there?" (Basis of Fellowship 61-0214)<br><br>The following article is an excerpt from Wm Cooper's site <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://harvest-trust.org/majestyt.htm">harvest-trust.org/majestyt.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>NASA was created to make interstellar travel believable. The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon. Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.<br><br>All of the names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echoed the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion: The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/reststory/apollo.html">www.davidicke.net/tellthe...pollo.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>See also:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm">www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>So I guess I'm ending with aliens after all LOL <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 8/29/05 4:22 pm<br></i>

[HMKGrey]

<br>Quite a company that NASA. Forty years ago they could send men hundreds of thousands of miles from earth, land them on a fast moving piece of space rock and bring them on home again - all without radio or video time lag and in time for the evening news. Today, they're struggling to get a manned vehicle up in to orbit and back again without it blowing up in their faces. <br><br>Hmmmmmm. <br><br>Is it really even in question that the moon landings were fake? <br><br>Seems like a slam dunk to me, long thought-pieces and complicated theories or not. Just my own intuition tells me that any company virtually incapable of surpassing its own 'greatest achievement' over the course of forty years probably didn't really own that achievement in the first place. <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

OK I admit it..we saw a UFO in 1968 and so did others in MA<br>now it could been made by chrsyler or BMW or Toyota?? but I seen it .yes . close .very close 15 feet away..lower than the top of a telephone pole then it vanished.. <p></p><i></i>

[DrDebugDU]

> OK I admit it..we saw a UFO in 1968 and so did others in MA<br><br>dbeach: I don't doubt that stuff for a moment since you are not the first person I know who saw a UFO. In fact you are probably number 5. Three were friends like you which I didn't know personally, but good enough to trust their account. Two people I knew personally as well, so that makes it even more credible.<br><br>However the point about UFOs is: What is it. Is it men-made or from outer space or an entity from a different state of existence which blurs into view (like a ghost)? And since there is so much disinformation and so little openness of things out of the ordinary, it makes it hard to say what it is.<br><br>There is excellent video footage including the footage from the space shuttle where some bright spots move over the earth and suddenly air based missiles are fired upon it (and one barely misses it), however it could still be a men-made object nevertheless...<br><br>Gray:<br>About the moon landing story. Indeed there are many things which are strange about it, but did/do we have the technology to go to the moon and the answer is yes. Do we have the technology to sustain a human being in outer space. The answer is yes and we can even create artifical gravity if that is necessary as well. So even if the moon landing itself was faked, it does not imply that the technology doesn't exist theoretically, because it does.<br><br>And it's also like this computer. I can run linux or windows. Windows tends to crash a lot more. In fact if I turn my modem off while connected then Windows crashes and even Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't help anymore. I guess somebody made a little error in the DSL driver software, however that tiny error can crash the whole system!<br><br>So the point is can we proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the moon landing was fake and that travelling to the moon is impossible and I don't think we can... <p></p><i></i>

[manxkat]

Peachtree Pam, thanks for the link. I read the entire piece, and now want to get a copy of the film footage of the moon landings to see for myself the anomalies. He makes a very convincing case about it all being a hoax. I wonder how many people were in on the hoax, and how many people at NASA itself were deceived as well. Hard to believe it could have been widely known throughout the agency, since the risks would have been too great.<br><br>I've never been prone to conspiracies.... not until 9/11 which was so poorly conceived and carried out that it begged further investigation, especially in light of its obvious political ramifications. One of the 9/11 researchers, Eric Hufshmidt, did a short piece on his website, but I have to say he lost me with it -- for the very reasons the guy at Serendipity cited: the visual evidence could be refuted. Now that I've read more about the massive technical problems that NASA faced, I'm much more convinced. This piece would be more akin to the approach Michael Ruppert took with "Crossing the Rubicon."<br><br>Yet one more bubble burst...... still, I'd rather be a grownup and know the truth. The moon landing was at least an inspiring story in the midst of another brutal and senseless war. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<br> Whenever I think of this subject, Im alway reminded of the excellent "fictional" movie Capricorn one.<br><br> Hollywood does occasionally produce the odd pearl. Im thinking of movies such as conspiracy theory ( the clue to its authenticity is in the title), The Pelican brief, and one or two other such gems - Enemy of the state also springs to mind. Of course it could equally be argued that this is all part of the plan. It must be "fiction", because the plots are all too fantastic to be considered true. <br><br> I havent looked anything like deeply enough into this to make an informed opinion, but if my rule of thumb for dealing with the "official" version of anything stands up to scrutiny, then it probably was a hoax lol. <p></p><i></i>

[Avalon]

"2001: A Mars Odyssey? "<br><br>Here's a fascinating look at some Mars connections that echo details of Kubrick's 2001, by Holger Isenberg.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://mars-news.de/life/2001.html">mars-news.de/life/2001.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[rain]

Mars, hyperdimensional physics, Arthur C. Clark and ... Angstrom.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://home.teleport.com/~photoget/angstrom.htm">home.teleport.com/~photoget/angstrom.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>'thru the darkness <br>of future past<br>the magician longs to see<br>one chants out <br>between two worlds<br>fire <br>walk with me'<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[smiths]

having always been dismissive of moon landing debunkers i found this the most coherent and convincing piece i have ever read on the moon landings<br><br>not to mention all of the other fascinating links provided on this thread<br><br>fascinating stuff <p></p><i></i>

[Peachtree Pam]

By chance I had just finished reading a book about the astronauts - "A Man On the Moon" by Andrew Chaikin, believing every word in the book, as I had not known anything about a hoax. What WAS striking in the book was how nearly all all of the astronauts "disintegrated" and became heavy drinkers, divorced etc., all put down as "being unable to deal with celebrity" etc.<br><br>In the Kay Griggs interview edited by Eric Hufschmid he makes some comment on the astronauts who have returned from the moon "looking so sad". At the time I saw it I wondered why he had brought that particular topic into discussion.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[rain]

just couldn't resist this one - (off rense.)<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.komotv.com/stories/38802.htm">www.komotv.com/stories/38802.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>An earlier draft of this essay was subjected to criticism by people who kindly pointed out a number of errors regarding factual details of the US space program in the 1960s.<br><br> Without abandoning his view that NASA failed in its attempt to send men to the Moon, and (to avoid loss of face and an apparent defeat in the 'space race' with the Russians at that time) decided to stage an elaborate (and largely successful) hoax, the author has withdrawn the essay in order to rewrite it to meet the objections of these critics. He thanks them for their valuable assistance.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>