Whitley Strieber 20 years after Communion

by **GDN01** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:07 pm

I have enjoyed reading Strieber's journal these past months, and this entry is eloquent, touching, and thought-provoking. I will only paste a bit of it here, but it is worth <a href="http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=213">reading in its entirety</a>. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I remained engaged with them for eleven years after the initial encounter. It only ended in October of 1997, when I moved out of the upstate New York cabin and returned to Texas. I did this both because I wanted to explore my past, and because we no longer could afford to live in New York. Our son’s education was demanding of our resources, and the long and terrible depression that had followed the rejection of my claims of encounter had taken their toll. I had become unable to write more about my encounters after the book Breakthrough. I saw that acknowledgement of the existence of the visitors would bring enormous rewards to our society, and also the venial reasons for the secrecy. I saw how eagerly the egocentric media and scientific institutions supported the government in keeping the secret of their presence. And I watched as the visitors patiently waited, knowing, as they do, that our species is in the process of making a deeply spiritual decision about whether to enter the cosmos or go extinct. ... Where are we now, twenty years after an effort was begun to bring mankind into real contact with another intelligent species? A vast number of people have been awakened to the reality of the visitors. Millions, I believe. Even more, of course, remain as they always have been, a great, formless ocean of unrealized potential. At the same time, the general culture has totally failed to address the reality of the visitors. To an extent, they have pulled up stakes. They left upstate New York in 1999, two years after I did. They still come around in various places, but it’s only to monitor those who might be of some interest or other. The fifty years between 1947 and 1997 were, as far as they were concerned, the time of decision. And we decided, thanks to those who so effectively kept their reality secret, to continue as we have been in history, and to do so despite the risk that will will not be able to manage the coming failure of the planetary environment properly without their support, and therefore that it might kill us. ... So, where are we? Certainly, we are avoiding facing the reality of their presence here. Where we are is on the edge of a new world, and it's not the best of all possible new worlds, believe me. The environment has already begun collapsing in irrevocable ways, and over the next half century many, many lives will be lost. Personally, I do not think that we will go completely extinct, not unless we’re helped along in some way. I think that we are going to defy the odds and live and thrive anyway, no matter that we’re led by people of the death wish, no matter that the visitors have turned their backs on us. I have this faith in mankind precisely because I am among the very rarest of human creatures: I have really and truly been outside of mankind, insofar as I have treated with nonhuman intelligent beings. I have seen what they are, and therefore now see my own kind to a degree as an outsider. And what I see compels me to wonder. You really have no way to know how marvelous you are. Mankind is like a scattering of jewels in the blue of the world. You can’t even see the dead and dying souls. They don’t matter and they are surprisingly few. They just make a lot more noise than the great, sacred majority. ... One fifteen. It’s quiet here. December 26. A Monday, this year. I am not so far from death, the unknown country. But I’ve traveled it a good deal, actually, so it’s not so strange to me now. I understand how the mystery of the soul works. They showed me by example; the Master of the Key explained it intellectually. Not the slightest breeze flows, not a night bird cries. The kitchen clock hums, my eyes grow heavy, another day comes rolling on. Very faintly, from where I sit in this moment, I can hear the sea’s sighing night voice. The most ancient sound of the world, the ocean. Now I will lie myself down. In a few hours, my heart will start pounding, my flesh again recoiling from the touch of the unknown. But not in this moment. In this moment, peace abides. I see rising as if in the soul’s hidden earth, a new sun. This is us, this sun, mankind rising from our broken world, on the strong two wings of the good human heart and the good human mind. <hr></blockquote>

by **StarmanSkye** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:03 pm

WoW -- Thanks for the link. It's been some while since I read Streiber's Unknown Country -- always a lot there to grab your attention and dwell on, no less this most recent post. VERY powerful. I was especially struck by his discussion of the choice humanity, and people, have to embrace life and continue to evolve and merge with the expanding universe, or to submit to the forces of death and despair (how reminescent of discussions here re: forces of evil and the PTB death-worshipping powers): "It was a truly fearsome failure. I also had been given, in the eleven years I had with the visitors, the opportunity to see the fate of souls, and I suffered the most terrific sorrow over what was happening to the people who were getting drawn into the trap of lying about the existence of the visitors in order to support government policy. I began to see government as a machine for the killing of souls. The terror of the situation was simply overwhelming. I will tell you this about the way a soul dies: for the universe, it winks out of existence the instant the supporting body’s electrical system fails. But for that soul, the moment of death remains forever. What kills souls is quite simple: choice. They choose to die because they despair of themselves. They die of lack of love. Our lives must be rich with compassion both for ourselves and others. This is what enables us to thrive and live in the body of consciousness that is this universe. The body is a brief passage, a place of decision. It is here, in this engine of forgetting, that we can only decide from our essential truth whether we are going to go on or not. This is as true for the species as it is for each one of us. I have chosen life. I believe that this species is worth saving, that we can ascend into a great journey if we so choose. So when I see us being captured by the people of the death wish—those who concentrate on material wealth, who ignore suffering, who fight, who lie, who ignore the needs of the planet—I feel the touch of despair. . . . Now I’m going to return to my life with that woman. Firstly, she has been with me for longer than life itself. I am one of her many projects. In the world of the soul, she’s rich, on a big journey in the direction of ecstasy, and seeking to travel there the only way you can, in a great chorus of free souls. This is what it’s about, it’s why we’re here. It is the core urgency of life, what you feel at the moment of birth, of sexual union, and of death." ***** I'll be processing this for quite some time. Starman

by **GDN01** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:16 pm

Yes, very powerful essay. In addition to the spiritual questions raised, a couple of other things caught my attention. It seems that a couple of the themes of R.I. are hinted at in this essay: CIA connections and possible connections to childhood abuse. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I therefore began to attempt to solve the mystery. But where to turn? I really had no idea. I went out in the woods, revisiting the place I had been carried. A very odd part of the memory was that I had seen somebody familiar in the woods just before I ended up in the little chamber with the insects. This was an old school friend who had joined the CIA. He had told me about a design flaw in the containment of some sort of engine that was being tested on a high performance aircraft. I have written little about this part of the experience and mentioned it only a few times in interviews because it has always disturbed me deeply, but not for the reason that you might think. I tried to look him up that February, only to discover that he was dead, and had been dead for more than a year when I saw him in my woods in the company of what I then regarded as aliens. .... In the second hypnosis session, I did address the December 26 experience. It became somewhat more vivid in my mind, but nothing new was added to my memories. However, during the session, I spontaneously reverted to the age of twelve, and recalled another incident of meeting this extraordinary woman who is the real subject of this essay and is, in fact, a great light in my life. She lives and functions across the divide of what we call life and death, and beyond the confines of time. This recollection seemed to the doctor to be similar to the sort of memories that emerge in people who have experienced repeated abuse that they have been unwilling or unable to articulate to themselves. The mechanism by which difficult memories may be repressed is well explained by Dr. Jennifer Freyd in her book Betrayal Trauma. Dr. Freyd is the daughter of two of the founders of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation, and has accused them of abusing her. This memory led me to return to my home town of San Antonio, Texas, where I explored my own childhood, which I recounted in my book the Secret School. <hr></blockquote> I had not realized that the founders of the FMSF have been accused of abusing their own daughter. And from reading the reviews of his book, "The Secret School: Preparation for Contact" on <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006018731X/104-8391277-9268722?v=glance&n=283155">Amazon</a> (I have not read the book itself) it seems like his early childhood experiences of being abducted and taken to a school in the middle of the night, for preparation, is similar to stories of SRA and MKUltra. If anyone has read the book and can provide more info, that would be appreciated.

by **professorpan** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:04 am

Peter Levenda talks about the secret school phenomenon in the upcoming book 3 of "Sinister Forces."

by **darkbeforedawn** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:47 pm

Thanks gdno1. I first read Communion around 1997, at which time I had my first (and only) "contact" with aliens. I know this sounds really corny, but I fell asleep in bed with the book in my hands. When I opened my eyes there were several greys in the room and for me this is very weird because I never have waking dreams. I passed out and while "sleeping" experienced a struggle with these creatures in which they wanted to conduct tests on me for "scientific reasons". I definately felt they were not particularly benevolent. It left a bad feeling behind and since that time I never wanted to read his books or know any more about him or them, perhaps because of what I felt to be the coercive nature of their intent. You have added some interesting material to my views on him. Perhaps there is more to this than I thought.

by **dbeach** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:51 pm

"seen a small hooded figure standing near the bed—a figure that had proceeded to rush at me and strike my forehead with a stick that shot out electric sparks. " I have had several close encounters with the lil 'greys" and they are hostile. I am sad for this man and his abuse... I was able to fight off one grey who tried to implant me in the back..later last summer..I injured my back. Another grey came close enough to me that I sensed its being and reached out literally into the next dimension and began choking it...Now I have NEVER killed anybody BUT that nite I knew this fiend was trying to get me so I kept choking it. I tried to wake my wife and lost control briefly , it escaped shrieking in pain in a high pitched metallic tone. Hit them in their throats..don't trust them..don't go with them. I think also they are trying to split off your soul essence.. and make you less than human.. I know many think they are funny lil creatures and cute like E.T. [NEVER saw the movie}. I DON'T TRUST EM. I will continue to say its all a land garb and worse..They are not superior..We are all the children of Creation and we are cousins and distant relatives to all living beings. I BOW to Nobody..only to the Divine Creator. and last time I checked ..humanity is the finest of all Creations. I THINK the aliens live in a membrane dimension that is all around us...and are able to pirce our protection. The story got me going. thAnx FOR GREAT POST!!!

by **GDN01** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:19 pm

I'm not sure how to reconcile Strieber's suggestion that these are creatures we need to be in communion with - and doing so will allow for an experience of great enlightenment and fullfillment; and that the fact that Strieber says, in no uncertains terms, that these creatures are not to be trusted: Quotes include: ...not communicating any sense of the human at all... ...I’m not saying that they’re pleasant. They’re as tough as nails, as mean as snakes and as dangerous as plutonium. ...I miss my dear and dangerous friends. ...They’re bad, never doubt it. They sin and fail and are weak and venial. They can be murderously indifferent when they’re concentrating on an important objective. They do not find us nearly as important as we find ourselves, and they can therefore be cruel in the pursuit of their goals. And after this last quote he adds,"But when you connect with them, the rewards are very, very great. Stupendous, actually. Beyond measure." If you live to tell the tale, mind in tact, but body violated - the rewards are great? I have a hard time buying the goodness that should come from such horrific experiences. Strieber has reconciled it and encourages it. Earlier in the essay he writes, "During the next few days, I wrote a story called "Pain," about an angelic being who administers pain in order to free people from themselves, to use pain, in effect, as a means of transcending the ego." There must be a better way to transcend the ego - if this is the ultimate goal.

by **GDN01** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:04 pm

Another view on The Grays From <a href="http://www.stuartwilde.com/Articles/SW_articles_ufo_update.htm">Stuart Wilde</a>: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The UFOs talk to people's minds and drive them toward the demonic. They capture people by enticing them into the mystery, which is why the UFOs fly in a peek-a-boo way, you see them then you don't. It's all to do with selling you the idea of technologically advanced space civilizations. Advanced? Not exactly, the UFOs couldn't organize a piss up in brewery! But they are lethal as they control a vast swathe of the human mind, and they drive humans toward war and mayhem. Once they start to entrap you, the buggy-eyed Grays will show up in your bedroom and then they will take you etherically and make you theirs, especially if you are a power trip person that likes the idea of being aligned to a supposedly superior force. We have no technology for rescuing people from abduction. But we do know one thing and that is if you take a DMT substance like yopo or ayahuasca say, the UFOs lose you for the length of time that you are on the DMT journey. It drives them nut because it represents a loss of control to them. We have been shown that but we have not learned how to rescue a person while they are out from under the UFOs surveillance. It could well be that once the silver bangles form all the way around the earth, maybe in the next year or two, then all those humans that have been mentally or etherically abducted that were carried away, will be released and set free. To stay safe you need just to ignore them and ridicule them and keep yourself away. Once they know you are not interested or influenced, they float off to find others instead. Many UFO researchers die young of mysterious diseases that come on very fast that are not curable. Most of the UFOs are fairly hopeless but there are ones that have a pulse that they fire that is rather deadly. <hr></blockquote>

by **dbeach** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:05 pm

"that these creatures are not to be trusted:" THATS MY PHILOSOPHY!!

by **survival** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:17 pm

i saw 'communion' just recently - there is not much about communion in the movie the tone of strieber's language tends to increase my inclination to believe in the alien's existence - strieber sounds perfectly sincere - but we dont know how wierd the mind can be - we dont know how much drugtaking there was and is in strieber's life - and we don't know whether belief in aliens is a way for the soul to try to process abuse and pain - the brain may produce drugs that try to process abuse and pain, drugs that also produce 'alternate realities' i was interested in the comment about using pain as a means to transcend the ego - it might explain the religious practices that use pain and discomfort, deprivation and poverty - someone says: there must be a better way [than pain, to transcend the ego] - my experience has been of a teacher who teaches how to experience the formless - the lifeforce in its formless form - 'the highest pitch of abslutely nothing' - the neither-this-nor-that - the undistinguished, uncharactered - somehow this experience seems to round out the picture of life - and transcend the ego - that is, transcend the limited, temporal, mortal, formed self - and experience the other self, the formless self, the changeless, timeless lifeforce or energy that cannot be created or destroyed, that constantly alternates between form [matter, atoms] and formless [energy] - the formless cannot be deformed, and cannot be reformed! - or, is constantly being re-formed - as soon as we conquer death and pain, we are in perfection - conquering death is easy - the experience that the self has a deathless side - that life is nothing but the forming and reforming of formless lifeforce [also known as energy, consciousness, love] - death is change and change is life is energy, so death is life and there is nothing but endless life, endless change, endless energy, endless form and deform - as for conquering pain, think of the story of lawrence being grilled like a barbecue, and saying to his torturers, i am cooked on that side, you may turn me over - perfect detachment! - the whole of the pain of pain is in the revulsion, the recoil from it, and the recoil is based in the fear that pain means unlove, that there is something in existence that doesnt like us - if you look hard at pain when you have a pain, if you supress recoil and fear, and assumption that pain is not good, and look at it with a quiet scientific eye, what is it? - just a sort of brightness - the fact is that pain doesnt hurt us, it doesnt damage us, it doesnt hate us - it is lassie, alerting us to danger - when we realise this, our recoil stops - it is the recoil that exhausts, not the pain - listen to the pain, pay attention to the pain, take in the pain to consciousness, allow the pain to be, look at it right in the eye, and stay looking at it right in the eye in fact, i have experienced that if you look at it very hard and very focussedly, it disappears - after all, pain is a message to pay attention to something - if you put enough consciousness on the pain, with enough firmness of attention, for long enough, the pain goes away - job done - message received - body defenses activated - repair under way - the body repair system waits for a commitment from the person that the person wants the cause of the pain dealt with, wants the repair to proceed - the person shows that commitment by focus and firmness and constancy of attention - however, this technique takes willpower, and sometimes one decides to rest from willpower and just let the pain exist - children can be as distressed by a haircut as by a pain - indication that the pain of pain is in the fear of unlove - animals stand firm in themselves without being loved - we have made ourselves dependent on being loved - got into the habit of thinking we have to be loved to be - the direct experience of the timeless, spaceless, formless energy, lifeforce or love gets rid of this false dependence on outside sources for love - and makes one a source of love for others still benighted this takes time, perhaps, but it is a path one can be on, and it leads to liberation, to knowing that everything is love/energy/life, forever - it is the undoing of the consciousness of reality as good and bad, the undoing of the thing which drove humanity out of paradise - it is the consciousness of reality as energy/love/life forever, the breaking of the illusion of death and pain im sorry if this sounds too happy one thing for sure, humans do not minimise their exposure of pain - pain is one of human's main productions! - produce more of it than coffee or oil - animals experience far less pain from mother nature than we do from ourselves - if lions decide they are going to be injured, they are out of there! - people dont vacate a city where a bombing has occured and stay out till certain the possibility of bombings has ended - which suggests that we are devoted to seeking to see through pain, seeking to transcend ego - are we really afraid of death and pain? - or are we playing with unlove [the illusion of]?

by **darkbeforedawn** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:52 pm

Wow! This issue is something that has been haunting me more and more lately, as I continue to feel increasing alienation from the t.v. vision of reality offered up in the form of the fairytales about 9-11, our "democracy" , the need to engage and more and more wars and the horrible evnironmental poisoning the corporate world inflicts on us all just to increase profit. People don't want to hear me, and my family and friends are withdrawing their "love" I am realizing more and more that I don't really need this love: it is just another tool for social control like "religion". I think this is the ultimate frontier for me, anyway. I am coming let go of my anxiety about gaining their love, because the universe IS love and it is the ground of all being. We have fallen from this and no one can give it back except if we find the path, each one on our own. We keep thinking other people have it and will somehow share it with us if only we are "good". It doesn't work that way. Thanks for this great insight. It is just what I need.

by **GDN01** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:33 am

I'm not so sure I completely agree with your assessment of pain and death. I'm not afraid to die. I'm ready to go when it happens and actually think people should have the freedom to end their life on this earth whenever they wish to. But I don't think all fear of pain is the result of fear of not being loved. Especially when that pain is being inflicted repeatedly by someone. I don't think telling someone who is being tortured that if they can let go of needing to be loved they can endure the pain, or won't feel it so intensely. Our bodies are not made to be abused, and learning to take physical pain is not a sign of strength, in my opinion. I'm a little uncomfortable with any philosophy that suggests pain is something that should be sought and experienced, and through pain we become better people, somehow. This is the same ideology of redemptive suffering that is found in Christianity - and I think it is responsible for much of the violence in society today. I honestly think it is a dangerous school of thought to promote.

by **survival** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:23 pm

thank you, darkbeforedawn, for your reply and for your enjoyment - if we ignore data coming in through the senses from 'outside', and ignore all the yakking from the mind, we can experience the zing of lifeforce inside us, the constant fountain of energy, energy - consider: we go to sleep and wake up refreshed, with a new quantum of energy to last another day - and we excrete as much matter as we eat, so it is not the matter that feeds us, but something weightless, and therefore matterless thank you, gdn01, for your reply - regarding death: you will grant that the same thing cannot change and not change at the same time - our bodies change all the time and our identity with ourselves doesnt change over many years - i remain me through all the changes of the body, including personality and mood, from youth to age - therefore i am not the body, therefore the death of the body is not the death of me - this is not a religious belief, it is a logical belief, a logical necessity - further, since i am bodiless [on occasion with a body], i am formless, and therefore cannot be deformed - we are immortal when one is being tortured, is not the pain, apart from the physical pain, the pain of not being loved, the pain of being apparently forced to believe that the universe doesnt care about us, that people are not always loving? subtract that, and leave only the physical pain, and look at the physical pain right in the eye, and it is hardly anything at all - i dont say pain should be sought - but knowing that pain is less than we fear, or is nothing alarming and disturbing, increases our happiness, our freedom, our fearlessness - would taking 90% of income off 90% of the population cause violence? - yes - it is a fact that 90% of people are paid between a 10th and a 1000th of the world average pay for an hours work, between a 10th and a 1000th of what they contribute to the social pool of wealth by their work - therefore this is the prime cause of violence such a school of thought doesnt need promoting, it has been accepted by all people - where there is a will, there is a way, therefore what we have has been willed, and what we have is pay from a million times to 1000th of the world average pay, ie, most money taken off most people, which everyone knows will cause violence, so we are willing the violence, willing the pain and the gigantic load of pain and troubles and stresses that brings everyone - we choose to allow unlimited income, knowing that money is power, knowing that power is corruptive, arrogant and abusive - knowing that allowing giants of money and power allows the trampling of us ants of wealth and power - we allow extreme underpay, knowing that theft makes people very annoyed and violent, knowing that deprivation makes people into terrorists and merciless mafias - why are there no swedish terrorists? - because no one has taken all the land and wealth off them, as has been done to the palestinians - obviously, we want the fun of the endless vendetta revenge back and forth - it is fun to have an excuse to hate, even if it is not a very good excuse - there is a truth in the comedian's comment: i bet we all felt the same way when the challenger blew up: darn, i didnt set the video, now ill have to borrow the tape - 90% of videos are horror, crime, war, thriller, drama, suspense - 'a real nailbiter!' - 'oh, let's watch this one, it is so suspenseful it will make us bite our nails!' - the gulf war shots of smartbombs were very popular - they wouldnt have been on cnn if they werent popular - the scene in catch-22 where the plane shreds the top half of a human body and the bottom half falls in the water was funny, and contributed to the profits of the film personally, i like a minimisation of pain - that's why i am happy to have a technique to reduce it - but i am at odds with the general human will - everyone knows that justice causes happiness and peace, and we have the most extreme injustice - world average pay, if you pay one billion housewives and students as well, which is only fair, is US$10 an hour [2000AD, doubling every 12 years at 6% global inflation, so around $15 in 2006] - bill gates is allowed to increase his fortune by US$18billion in 1997-8, which is 2/3s of 10 million an hour - average - peaking at $10 million an hour, one million times world average - bangladesh average pay is US$100 a year, 4c an hour - and there is extreme wealth-poverty in bangladesh, so 1c an hour is easily possible for the lowest pay - = 1000th of the average pay - landlessness has gone from 15% to 75%, and a bangladesh woman paid US$20,000 for her wedding dress - everyone knows that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and that this is unjust and that this has been going on, growing, for 1000s of years - is there a general, powerful will to effectively counter this evergrowing galloping injustice? - no - so humans love pain, and trouble, and danger, and violence - the number of bar fights that have used any excuse to start a fight i think people are attracted to pain and suffering to try to solve the mystery of pain and suffering: what is it? why is it? - the fact is that the ego causes pain, and the ego is not the real self - we defend the ego and it causes us pain - pride is 100% selfdestructive, but we protect and serve pride why? because everything is recognised through its opposite, so we need pain to experience good things - every story, comedy or tragedy, has trouble, pain and fear in it - nazis are great theatre! the costumes are great! - the nazi uniform is responsible for billions of hollywood profits - we are immortals on holiday in a theme park of pain - because 'it is great to get home' - but horrible to stay at home and never go anywhere the yinyang symbol says this: the buzz, the pizzazz, the flash, the beauty, the joy of life is in the revolving of light and dark - white crayon on white paper does not a picture make - movement is everything the purpose of pain is to identify what is not real - because the real self cannot be hurt or harmed - the real self is immortal lifeforce -'i [immortal lifeforce] was a hidden treasure and i wanted to be known [to myself], so i created the world [the theme park of pain] - 'what the heart [ego, bodyself, personality, pride] grieves for, the soul [immortal lifeforce] rejoices in' i think we could have the opposites in less extreme degree - white and light gray rather than black - but im a wimp so everything is perfect - everything is exactly as we have willed it - earth is our heaven - because white on white is not life, is not the celebration of lifeforce [true self]

by **GDN01** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:58 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>when one is being tortured, is not the pain, apart from the physical pain, the pain of not being loved, the pain of being apparently forced to believe that the universe doesnt care about us, that people are not always loving?<hr></blockquote> I have not believed the universe cares about us, as individuals, for many years. I don't believe in a God that cares. And I have known for even more years that people are not always loving. For some people, physical pain may be tied up with these other pains, but not for me. I agree that the disparity between the filthy rich and the filthy poor is a root cause of violence. But, in my opinion, the reason most people perpetuate the status quo is not that they want pain through violence, but they believe those who are suffering, the poor, deserve what they are getting - as do the rich, they too believe they are getting what they deserve. Most of the violence you mention is violence wrought by men. Women are far less violent - that is a fact, although women have become more violent in the past 2 decades. I believe this is due to the idea that taking pain is a masculine quality, as is showing physical dominance. I read once that violence is our nation's true religion, if religion is the thing you turn to when all else fails. We believe violence will save us, violence will protect us, violence will secure our future. This is not the same as pursuing physical pain. This world may be what some have willed - but it is not what I will and I believe it is far from perfect.

by **survival** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:47 am

every child has a belief that the whole world is kind, and none of us lose that faith completely, we all think the world is somewhat kind, or we wouldnt step out of our house, or get out from under the bed - i wasnt thinking of a god - but i think the true meaning of god is existence, also known as life - what is more godlike than life? - and even the silly old bible supports this - god calls himself I AM - that reads 'god = existence' to me - also god is supposed to be infinite, and that means that there is nothing outside god, there is nothing in existence but god - which means the world and humans are god - which produces the interesting conclusion that most socalled religious people are idolaters! - because idolatry is worshipping false gods - and if the true meaning of god is 'existence, life, the totality', as even the silly old bible says, then most christians are idolaters! - i like that - i like the idea that the people's revulsion against religion is in fact a healthy and correct thing - the only thing it makes sense to feel any feeling for, is life - what more awful, wonderful, strange, curious, odd, fearful, etc thing than life?! - god as a person is as silly as believing santa claus is a person - in fact, god is santa for adult babies - the theologians who tried to prove the existence of god missed the bus completely - since 'god' is just a word for 'life' - 'god' is just a rather pointless although persistent word for life - also, religion etymologically means joining, reuniting, so the essence of true religion is realising that you and everything is god, is life - that is, the essence of religion is destroying the idea of god as something separate from us and from everything - so socalled religion is the essence of irreligion! since it believes that we are separate from god - it is true we are separated from god, but only in the sense that we falsely believe we are not god - part of the error is thinking god is good - which separates him/her/it/they/us/me from the world and us - even the s. o. b. says 'I [god] make peace and I make trouble' [also translated good/evil, etc] [Isaiah 45,7] - and god hardens pharaoh's heart [exodus 5 and 1<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]"> so pharaoh wont let the israelites go, so that god can show off his 'glories', that is, the plagues! - ie, god says to himself: hmm, i've made these keen plagues, frogs and rivers of blood and stuff [cool!!, says bart simpson], now how am i going to show them off? - mmm, that darn pharaoh is softheartedly going to let the israeiltes go, i'll harden his heart, so he wont let the israelites go, so then i can show off my plagues - that's what the book **says** what people believe religiously is so far from what is written in the book they supposedly follow - [how can you follow a book that has 500 contradictions?] i once toyed with the idea that a christian is one who ignores the bible, a muslim is one who ignores the quran, etc! does anyone believe that the poor deserve what they are getting? - do you really think that people think that? - extraordinary if you are right, and you may be right for all i know - does anyone believe anyone deserves 1c for an hour's work? - of course it is the other side of people believing they deserve what they have got, if they have got a lot - even the poor tend to think that the rich are deserving - what a tremendous blindness! - what selfdestructive overhumility on the part of the underpaid! - the range of pays has no connection with merit or deserving - how could one person's hour's work be worth a billion times as much as another's hour's work? - it isnt common sense - what could one person do to deserve US$10 million an hour, ie, do in one hour as much as a million hours of others' work? - after one hour, bill gates can buy a $10 million house without getting a mortgage - he couldnt design the door handles in that time - common sense is very uncommon! people are not aware of the many ways that money automatically drifts from earners to nonearners - and economics, a rich man's game, is not in a hurry to teach them! - god, people are dumb! - [not their fault - they didnt make themselves - 'let's see, i'll make myself stupid' - didnt happen - obviously - yet people get mad if you think they are stupid - they take it personally, as if they had something to do with it - crazy!] - and people are not on fire to pass on the fact that money steals from earners to nonearners - and yet people care a lot about money! - but even more powerful than their great [and proper, imo] love of money is their love of the status quo, their love of not thinking, not questioning the status quo everyone will agree that there are doubtless 1000s of people with as much merit/talent/skill as bill gates - the causes of superfortunes are known and they have nothing to do with merit - if you measured everyone's merit, and compared their merit with their fortunes, there would be very low correlation - people even think a person who inherited his fortune has some special merit - crazy! hopelessly crazy! - how did humans become so crazy? - you never see a stupid animal - well, not a stupid wild animal - stupidity must be catching! our pets catch it from us! i come into this world, i spend a lifetime learning to see the stupidity, i spend a lifetime pulling myself out of the stupidity, and now i'm all alone, cut off from everyone by not sharing their great stupidities - how painful it is to become unstupid! - i am as alone as if i was the last person alive - no one shares my understanding and no one likes me - boohoo people quite sanely spend half their waking hours making money, which they then quite sanely spend to buy things they want and need, so money is as good as satisfying needs and desires is good, namely, very good - but then say 'money isnt important'! - confused

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