Quantum Physics in Action

[Dreams End]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>incidentally the same thing that got her father to nearly strangle her)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>NO! Words met with violence is wrong...and probably just the tip of the iceberg from her Dad.<br><br>Definite boundary issues here for you. "reeling you in with catastrophe's". Find a good therapist to be only on your side. It will help your clarity and whatever the outcome...a stong you is better than a depleted you.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

hm, thats a bit too much for me. Shes heaping all the responsibility on me as it is. It would be just going too far for me to get a therapist cuz shes got problems, dontcha think? Im strong enough and Im clear. Why do you think it would help her if I got therapy?<br><br>And it was her dad who met them with violence. I dont treat women with violence.<br><br>violence. I was trained individually in self defence by an ex-intelligence officer who i lived with who was trained individually by an israeli paracommando, a colonel. I know how to deal with violence. Violence is ALWAYS the last resort. I dont think you get me dude. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/3/06 7:45 pm<br></i>

[Dreams End]

No you missed my point. I'm saying that we cannot find responsibility for her dad's violence in her words. No matter how "provocative" words might be, they are words. They in no way excuse her dad's actions. Her dad's response is quite typical of abusers and I'm sure she heard quite often as a child that "she started it" or it was her fault that she was beaten or whatever. <br><br>That said, attempting to "provoke" violence is a pattern of some who've lived under abuse. They can't stop the abuse but they can at least have some control of WHEN the abuse happens. I've seen this before...I had another girlfriend (think I have issues???) who really seemed to be trying to provoke violence in me. Since I did not respond with violence or a big angry scene, she got confused and angry. It was kinda weird...but I think not that unusual. <br><br>As for therapy "I'm strong enough" depends on what strong means. You have said she can continually reel you back in with catastrophes. If "strong" means making the best decision and not basing that decision on the crisis of the moment, then I'd say you can use some help here.<br><br>But it's not a criticism. In fact, most therapists have therapists. I have one who helps me deal. What is MY responsibility in my relationship...what is hers? What is my duty to myself? Are there reasons other than the best interest of her or myself that I'm behaving in this way or that. All valid questions that don't imply weakness.<br>In addition, some people who sound a bit like your friend are better served when loved ones have clear boundaries and stick to them. It sounds like that's difficult for you under these circumstances. (There's a book on living with someone who is bpd called "Walking on Eggshells")<br><br>Now...as to your having lived with an intel officer.....<br><br>That's probably another kettle of fish...but we'll just let Hava jump in on that part. Be interested to know more about that (not saying you have to post on it...just saying it's interesting) and also how you originally hooked up with this woman. When people toss things out like having lived with an intel officer (Mossad, no less...I'm not touching THAT one), it brings up other sorts of issues around here that may not be at all relevant. <br><br>anyway, despite the previous history of this thread, there was simply nothing at all condemnatory or critical in my last post. Anything that you might possibly construe that way are likely remarks that apply equally to me (getting therapy, setting boundaries) etc. It's not just a matter of strength, but of discernment...and that's really tricky in these cases. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

Got it. Believe it now too. I was wondering if your response wasnt another attack disguised in a helpful tone. Scuse me.<br><br>Yeah, US Army intel. Not the straight-edge type of career person. Left the mil and decided to kick around germany for a bit as an artist, now he tends his bar and his girl. I asked him to train me. Im a straight civillian, never been in any service. Met him in a bar, we became best freinds, then squatted together in a house in another town. You know what squatting is i take it. That was years ago. Still in touch. Im generally aware of the issues surrounding spooks and such info on this board, why do you think Im attracted to this place <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> specifically i dont know what you mean.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/3/06 8:06 pm<br></i>

[TroubleFunk]

..without getting my head bit off here, and I'm sorry in advance if any offense is taken.<br><br>4911, "It would be just going too far for me to get a therapist cuz shes got problems, dontcha think? Im strong enough. Why do you think it would help her if I got therapy?"<br><br>...is exactly my response and my initial resistance to finding a therapist. AND I WAS DEAD, DEAD WRONG. I thought I was strong, and in some ways I was. But strength isn't everything. And there are so many forms of strength. <br><br>Getting into therapy - initially just showing up - took me forever and I constructed every reason not to do it. But it did me good in ways I never could have foreseen, and it really DID help everyone around me. You should consider it, find one just for your own reasons and to your own ends - it's not weakness... it sounds like you've spent money on other strategies, too, that haven't really helped.<br><br>If I'm grasping the point correctly that I think dreams End was getting at, if all you're doing is reacting to stimuli over and over and never getting at why your reaction always ends up the same no matter how you struggle to adapt, you're possibly not strong enough in the ways that may matter most to your situation.<br><br>Anyway, that's all I'll say, just a concerned stranger on the internet.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

Well, getting out of her life completely I would consider weak.<br><br>She has no one to connect her to her "old" self. <br><br>Strength is foremost an issue of flexibility, to my mind. I konw its most important to help myself before I can help others. And I actually did go see a therapist a while ago. It wasnt my idea, did it as a favor for a family member who was her patient (Patient? Do they call em that?). Her initial diagnosis was that I was okay and that the familymember was the one with the issue. She invited me back but I thought she wanted more patients so I gently disengaged. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/3/06 8:05 pm<br></i>

[Dreams End]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Left the mil and decided to kick around germany for a bit as an artist, <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Be curious what year that was. Jeez...probably shouldn't even open that line of thought up. <br><br>I had a childhood friend who I met again a few years ago...he's waiting tables now. He too was in US military intel...in Germany. He wouldn't say what he was up to, but he now calls the US the "beast". He hinted of very dark things...and suggested that the whole bin Laden thing was bogus. <br><br>"If he was really considered a threat...he'd be dead." <br><br>He looked...I don't know...shell shocked? It was actually kinda frightening. Maybe he was just delusional. <br><br>Good luck with it all....and try to keep centered.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

If you mention the guys name or the unit he was in i can tell you if i know him. Actually his initials may be enough. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/3/06 8:25 pm<br></i>

[Dreams End]

Initials were S.M. Have no idea exactly when..but I think before the wall fell. But maybe just before. <br><br>I wasn't thinking you'd know him...exactly...just that there were lots of spooks doing spooky stuff in Germany and you ran in those circles. I guess if I knew you in person I'd be asking all kinds of questions about your past see if maybe you got sucked into something without knowing it.<br><br>As I was thinking it over it occurred to me that my own ex I referred to could have been a regular "Candy Jones." Thinking about where all she traveled and who she ended up with...(an Italian prince, at one point.) She was beautiful and horribly abused by her family. Dad was British intel.<br><br>Hey...who was the Israeli commando? I got confused on that part. You mentioned that but said your friend who trained you in self defense was US army intel...or was he both?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

<br>I think your suggesting I was sucked into a mind control program yeah? Funny. Doubt it. Course the nature of this stuff being what it is, and having the open mind i do, would ask you to give me some symptoms cuz its not outside the realm of whats theoretically possible.<br><br>PS. um, and no naughty posting trigger phrases in the reply pls ;D<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/4/06 3:25 am<br></i>

[Dreams End]

well, if you don't have periods of time you can't account for...I wouldn't be too paranoid about that. I mainly brought it up because of the situation with your friend...wondering if you met her in those same circles.<br><br>I don't know if anyone has a "symptoms of mind control" list. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

<br><br>Naw, I dont have any of that. Met my ex girlfreind at a "private coffeeshop" here close to 3 years ago. Completely different and unconnected circle. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/4/06 2:47 am<br></i>

[4911]

"...The smallest slight might get blown way out of proportion. One little failure on her part would be evidence that she is worthless. Very black and white thinking patterns..."<br><br>yep B&W. only she accuses me of being that way. An interesting thing is she often accuses people of doing to her just exactly what shes doing to THEM. Its a neat trick. Stumps most. I dont exactly know a good defence for that other than pointing it out to her, at which point shell change the subject.<br><br>And no, actually a slight mistake on her part would lead her to conclude that I am worthless <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> you know, when she messes up its my fault. <br><br>How do you get a person whos very smart & proud but messed up to accept therapy?<br><br>Is it wise to slowly & gently get this person to see their own behaviors impact?<br><br>Is it wiser to "play along" with this person until they eventually see it all by themselves, and then be there to accept them and say hey everythings okay?<br><br>Is it wise for me to accept responsibility for the near barfight scene for this person i.e. take on all the responsibility as her mind cant handle it obviously at this point?<br><br>When people are close to committing suicide, what are they like? Shes was generally quite energetic when she threatened that - was that more of a help-cry? Question is do people only commit suicide when they are completely drained or also when they got some kick in them?<br><br>Is it possible that one of her alters suddenly takes control and commits suicide out of the blue?<br><br>When she had her huge breakdown about 2 years ago, they called in the paramedics and they diagnosed her before sedating her. She told me the diagnosis once, very quickly, but I dont remember it. It could have been Bipolar dissociative disorder, yes. But Im not 100percent sure. When she told me, it was a longish group of words and it sounded latin. The paramedics had also added it was in an advanced stage. She told me this speaking german. At this point shes in two worlds, one inside world where she knows something is wrong with her, and an outside world where she wont admit it to anyone. I see recovery, but she also tends to take two steps forward three steps back. Would it be wise to softly ask her to tell me the exact diagnosis again? <br><br>Is alcohol or weed a serious no-no at all times for her?<br><br>When she flies into a rage, how does one best & most effectively diffuse her?<br><br>In a nutshell, what is best for her - to tolerate and accept her alter behaviour or to not tolerate it and try to reset her?<br><br>Im assuming her condition was probably dormant or weakened in the earlier stages of her life but came to the forefront after her near strangulation by her father. I read that this is all the result of stress she cant deal effectively with.<br><br>I also assume from what youve been telling me that kind of letting on that I know what her problem is and laying it on the table between the two of us in a way that lets her know I understand her and everything is fine with that and we can work together to get beyond it, is out of the question. <br><br>The things Ive written here, its not like shes constantly on the verge of a freakout. Shell act quite calmly for months. Then suddenly a hole in the sky rips open and her alter rages in on a deux-ex machina screaming bloody murder and whatnot. that usually happens during wintertime. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/4/06 5:11 am<br></i>

[4911]

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[Joe Hillshoist]

blanc<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>could I have done better? but nevertheless, a person who has gone so deep into psychotic state that they can not take any rest, do not take fluids etc and, differently, a person who has gone so deep into a depressive state that suicide is imminent - <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Maybe we are talking at cross purposes and about different things.<br><br>That is a very different state of mind to what I am talking about. I see that state of mind differently. Its a short term thing, and the reasons for it and the causes are irrelevant. The person is in immediate danger.<br><br>In that case you are fully right and perhaps I was being a bit of a pedantic jerk.<br><br>That is no different to looking after a drunk mate or some equivalent, Imo, of course you look after people who are unable to look after themselves because of immediate circumstances. On that level, everyone is like everyone else and looking after them is just part of what i would hope is a reciprocal arrangement.<br><br>I guess what i am getting at is the whole picture, what happens during the times it isn't all going bugfuck.<br><br>BTW My mind is still undecided on the ritual abuse mind control thing. I have never seen any direct evidence for it, tho some things do make me wonder, and the process of creating "alters" or "altars", or whatever they are called makes a lot of sense to me, from what I have read about it.<br><br>So I only talk about what I have experienced and can understand with some level of certainty, regarding this specific subject.<br><br>About brain injury and trauma...<br><br>Interesting.<br><br>What about a connection between(non physical) trauma, brain lesions and dissassociative disorders?<br><br>Also with memory, its not just stored in the brain, but in the body too. Muscles store memory and can be trained using this process. Muscles store memory differently, similar to storing tension, there is probably a link between these two. <p></p><i></i>