Can we talk about aliens...

by **The Jockey** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:20 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>According to Einstein's special relativity, energy and mass are essentially the same thing.<hr></blockquote> Energy and Mass are essentially the same thing. When people do Mushrooms etc, they see things in slightly more realistic terms much of the time. - namely as a slowly vibrating energy field ( all the edges of things tend to go "fuzzy" ) <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Now that doesn't mean everything exists as energy as at all times.<hr></blockquote> But you see, that is exactly what everything is lol. a hologram of extremely slowly vibrating energy, created out of a combination of light and sound ( or should that be sound and light - "in the begginning was the word" ) <blockquote>Quote:<hr>If, for instance, I set it on fire, a large portion of it will no longer be matter, but energy (heat and light).<hr></blockquote> By setting something alight, you are simply altering the vibrational frequencies of the various components ( atoms) which are of course energy in their original form anyway , surely ? My entire problem with the whole shooting match, is the idea that energy can neither be destroyed nor created, but simply altered, which begs the question, how did this all come into being in the first place. I guess the Gnostics are right in that respect. The Creator is far greater than anything we will ever begin to comprehend. Sorry if this detracts from the original thread. I was simply attempting to point out, that even by widely acceptable scientific standards, we are virtually blind and deaf, in which case,particularly when coupled the trillion eye witness accounts of such strange goings on spanning the millenia, the idea that there isnt an overwhelmingly powerful argument for alien existence ( probably 'interdimensional' imo ) is something of a folly.

by **marykmusic** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:27 pm

The Gnostics had a handle on what was really happening. That's why they had to die... Holograms is as good an explanation as any, for the existence of multiple dimensions. Therefore I don't consider it off the topic. SOME people see other-dimensional entities, others do not. That alone is not enough for them to claim that they do not exist... Here's an analogy for explaining multiple dimensions. Imagine watching television with the old-fashioned antenna... you are only watching one station at a time. The other stations still exist; you know that all you have to do is turn the dial to select a different station. Does changing the channel cause the previous station to no longer exist? It's about the size of your Reality Box. If that is so small that it only allows you to accept the 3D world, and the Bible is your ultimate authority, then anything that will stretch your Reality Box is seen as a threat, or simply doesn't exist for you. That does not mean that others, with larger Reality Boxes, are wrong... simply that YOUR idea of what's allowable is constrained by your belief system. If you believe that aliens are demons, so be it. You will not allow yourself to be educated; your Reality Box is rigid and unbending. I converse with other-dimensional entities. This includes Angels. I can also see ships in the sky that not everyone sees. Sometimes I see an aircraft that can seem shimmery around the edges, and I know that I'm looking at a holographic cloak. My Reality Box is quite flexible. Many of us experience "eureka" moments, where we suddenly understand something that had evaded us before. This can be scary, threatening, and often we deny it later. That's what it feels like, though, when our Reality Box gets stretched out. --MaryK

by **rapt** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:37 pm

Thanks for opening this thread Mary. I'm all ears - very interested in getting educated on the various beings and civilisations out there. It is the only way to get a good grip on our own human condition, past - to - future. On energy and matter: I have just finished a book on string theory by one of the primo players in that field. I'll post title/author tomorrow. String theory has developed quickly in the last forty years, to clarify those hard to comprehend relationships between mass and energy. Forces such as gravity and magnetism are created though six otherwise undetectable dimensions, in addition to the three (spatial) we are familiar with. The vibrating strings are as small as a "Planck length" which is billions of times smaller than anything we can detect with current technology. The curvature of space and time gets easier to comprehend. All this and a lot more is explained in non-mathematical laymen's terms, and gives one a much better feel for what the universe is made of. OK now back to the aliens please.

by **dbeach** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:17 pm

I believe that there are many types of so-called aliens NONE of whom are superior to humans.. a fancy sports vehicle don't make me intelligent a fancy space vehicle don't make them either I don't trust ANY. Now maybe some are good and benign beings til I know more..and even then I don't trust em. I also think we are all related to the aliens and someday that can be proven. I believe that we are the Divine Creation and that the Creator also has a separate presence its confusing but more gets revealed on this journey. My pt about the aliens.. Why did they go to Ike instead of the commoners? seems real sleezy to me..then all those missing humans and the US govt allowed that.. seems sleezier I think the aliens have been manipulating humanity through hybrids like bush,clintons bliar,sharon and so called world leaders..for many yrs ... The alien manipulations have been happening since before Christ was a corporal and its gonna escalate.. The global elites and the aliens have a neat lil deal going on in that planet earth ,Our Mother, is their own personal lil gold mine and cattle farm.. ITS A LAND GRAB If ya study history of Europe ..land grabs started many wars the first Euro settlers continued the land grab and genocides in the USA. Bush is doing in Iraq,Afghanistan and mabe Iran next what he plans on doing to US citizens and same will be done to Israel. The aliens will move in like vultures after the prison planet is established... humanity will be micro-chipped or micro-waved THANX to Ike ,poppy o bush and all the TRAITORS in the Pentagon and govt that sold humanity for their own safety and I bet the aliens back stab them also. So count on me to have a loud mouth and tell ya all Don't trust the govt or the aliens. I trust in the power of my own Soul which was given to me by my Creator..and not some test tube in ET headquarters. GREAAAT THREAD MARY M ROCK ON!! Educate the good folks here. I have no proof only my persoanal experience

by **dbeach** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:39 pm

Mary M..this one is 4 U especially. <a href="http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/Grossmann/Armagedon/Armageddon_Smashing_the_Lie.htm">www.cloakanddagger.de/med...he_Lie.htm</a> "As a normal sheeple you are supposed to know none of the above. Billions of tax dollars are being spent to deceive you about this. You are supposed to believe that you are alone and stranded in a vast universe and dependent on your government. Unfortunately, your government is a Luciferian organization, i.e. it is dedicated to creating hell on Earth and robbing you of your natural freedom and mental and physical sanity. It is based on communication with off-world hellish entities through particular wavelengths around 450 MHz, foremost a shadow-realm entity named „Lucifer”. Apart from the Luciferian Rebellion, apparently demonic and itself unable to materialize in a body any longer, the Aliens are highly developed beings, not necessarily friendly to erring humans, and who have various political and racial agendas. The most friendly and benevolent are said by knowledgeable sources to be the Shara now based on the Moon, an ancient Atlantean Mongol race originally perhaps from the planet Yehova, of the type seen photographed in connection with the Roswell UFO crash (not a skinny „Gray”, the Roswell UFO having been marked with pre-Sanskrit characters legible to living scholars indicating a connection with Saturn). There are Grays from another dimension (falsely claimed to originate in Zeta Reticuli) and terrestrial Reptilians of dark-force affiliation but not necessarily hellish, both types fervent and out-and-out radical worshippers of extreme intelligence. However, it is affirmed strongly that the Grays are enemies of the Shara, and that the American government is waging a war of extinction against the Shara and their bases. Then there is further an aquatic Orion intelligence associated with the ancient Egyptian civilization. All of these forces study humanity and take interest in us. Except for the benevolent Shara these forces cooperate to undermine and destroy human civilization as it is today. Their highly intelligent actions totally escape the human value system and cannot be judged according to our human values. An individual human life is almost worthless to them. The highest Alien social value is solidarity, and they are up in arms against the depravity of our human society. This makes them Satanic in the eyes of some, a judgment that I believe is incorrect – they are merely bitter and bitingly ironic in expression and action in their realism against evil. Upon information and belief, both the technological revolution of the past 200 years and the genocides of the past (20th) century go on the account of the various Alien presences, including intelligence-style infiltration of all human social systems. The Aliens are drastic and deceptive demon hunters who have the goal of identifying, hunting and destroying evil as they define it, apparently described by religious visionaries throughout the centuries as an apocalyptic Armágeddon scenario at a peak crisis point. The New World Order is a transitional goal for them. It is a stepping-stone for destroying evil as it is rooted within humanity. For example, a considerable part of the Pentagon black budget is being used to wage an SDI war at both of Earth’s poles against the Shara to a tremendous cost to humanity and especially the American people. The Reptilians and Grays are more cooperative but in a dialectically deceptive way. Reportedly, the Jesuit Order of the Vatican is the main Reptilian espionage organization inside humanity (with not all of its members being informed). The first victims to fall to an attack are the Luciferian human leadership themselves, being thrown into eternal hell through a technology known as the „scythe”, but with other victims to follow based on certain genetic criteria summarily described as an incurably hateful and loveless nature, i.e. monster or vampire. If these reports are correct then the heart of cabals is centered on some form of the Alien issue. If these reports are incorrect then this article is mere speculation, with the author’s apologies. APPENDIX: Forbidden Archaeology By: Dr. Stefan Grossmann, 12-2-5 I have been asked to contribute an opinion if Aliens exist. In this general form, the question must be answered in the affirmative. There is much evidence, of which UFOs and UFO photography are only a small part. The term „Aliens“ simply means: beings who are strange to us. There are many types of such beings. Religions are based on experiencing them. Thus, religions are indirect evidence that Aliens (beings strange to us) exist. While many questions remain open for further research, one thing is supported beyond reasonable doubt: Intelligent beings similar or superior to ourselves have been on this planet, at least intermittently, for a very long time. Here are some of my favorite links for one opening aspect of exobiology: As of recent, many miracles have been documented and photographed. The information is on the internet. You may review web sites such as the following: <a href="http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/KjvMatt.html">etext.lib.virginia.edu/to...vMatt.html</a> (historical report about Jesus, unfortunately not believed seriously) <a href="http://www.holyfire.org/eng/velich.htm">www.holyfire.org/eng/velich.htm</a> "

by **marykmusic** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:19 pm

dbeach asked:<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Why did they go to Ike instead of the commoners?<hr></blockquote> The best info I have on that, is because the small greys promised to trade a bunch of cool technology, in exchange for a few allowable abductions, occasional cattle mutilations, and so on. The others involved only offered to help Humanity grow and develop along its' natural path to enlightenment... "A few" turned out to be 'way more than agreed upon... Did I mention, THEY LIE? --MaryK

by **dbeach** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:29 pm

the Indians sold Manhaten for shiny beads Ike sold the USA for shiny saucers "All that glitters is not gold'

by **resonantmonkey** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:06 pm

"Hello, I saw you, I know you, I knew you, I think I can remember your name..." I had a UFO experience a few years ago, on the way to work. I saw an enormous metallic pyramidal structure rising up through the local atmosphere. It was a long enough event for me to get to work, and pull out at least three co-workers to witness it. Right after it sort of "blinked" out of sight, a blackhawk heli was seen flying out in that direction. It all started when I was listening to the radio, people said they were witnessing strange lights out over a local mountain. The DJ sounded real scared, and was trying to get the guy off the phone, but he was really adamant that people look over there. I did, and what I saw finally convinced me, once and for all that some serious shite is afoot.

by **anotherdrew** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:17 pm

human looking, not shapeshifted, but basicly looking nearly the same as us? Any info out there on that subject other than the really old 'contactee movement' based info?

by **dbeach** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:19 pm

Welcome Resonantmonkey Thanx for sharing I saw a UFO in 1968 ,have a witness and could have stood on the roof of my corvair and touched it with a lil jump. 15 feet away. REAL CLOSE. I also have been visited by the greys many times and they are unfriendlys. those few of us who have seen these UFOs..aliens ect.. need to continue to speak out FWIW. I feel particularly blessed to have witnessed and survived these unexplainable events and believe this is part of my meaning in life to share info and help prepare others. BTW .The aliens are NOT superior to us humans.!!!

by **marykmusic** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:39 pm

I believe that these exist, also. Not having the original bookmark, I haven't yet found the site I used to study with an alphabetical listing of various alien life-forms. I have to rely on memory and experience. This thread is going where I'd hoped it would. Thanks! --MaryK

by **prrrba** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:12 am

MaryK and others -- thanks for opening this door. I have not experienced aliens in waking life. In dreams, yes. After 20 years of meditation, my intuition tells me that some seriously nasty stuff is lurking literally on the horizon (i.e., floating in the atmosphere). This sense led me to drive through my own taboos about aliens about 3 months ago and do some research. I started with the Cassiopaeans, then the Pleidians, then Ra and The Law of One. I try to keep my mind as open to new information as I refuse to believe any received info as an M.O. MaryK -- your info about the Archangel you're in touch with, especially about booting off the uninvited Gray's, strikes a nerve of felt truth, fwiw. Please share more as moved. One of the big "aha's" for me came from reading the 3 sources listed above and their mutual conclusion that all this high strangeness has to do with 2012 being "Harvest Time". As someone who disrespects nothing more than what I call "Apocalyptic Thinking" ala the *Left Behind* series, etc. -- in which Apcalypse fantasies are used to displace us from our present reality -- I nevertheless could not ignore the 2012 connection I came across in these 3 channeled sources. Not saying I'm a believer -- cause I'm not. But I can't shake the connection, either, at a gut level of intuition. Curious if you or the Archangel you're connecting with see a similar connection. televisionchild

by **marykmusic** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:06 am

I have written here numerous times about the work Dragon and I, along with numerous known and unknown others, do. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>your info about the Archangel you're in touch with, especially about booting off the uninvited Gray's, strikes a nerve of felt truth, fwiw. Please share more as moved.<hr></blockquote> Many things happened while we were living in the desert outside Casa Grande (between Phoenix and Tucson.) In the two years we were at that house, we spent many days learning that we could affect the helicopters and other aircraft flying over us, sometimes as simply as by pointing our fingers (and our minds) at them. At night, we'd sit on our front porch and enjoy the UFO light shows, which were common. There was a wormhole in the sky to our southwest; sometimes we'd watch one or more of "those lights" travel across the sky and disappear when they hit that particular spot; other times we'd see a series of "explosions" appear and disappear in that same area. Invariably the next morning a helicopter and/or light plane would perform search patterns over the ground under that spot. These usually came from the CIA base between us and Tucson. Often they set down in the desert, after we pointed our fingers (or a variety of metaphysical tools) at them... The last chopper that dared to buzz us over the house, we both charged outside pointing... it veered away sharply to the SW, then proceeded to gyrate wildly in the air, out-of-control, nearly auguring in but pulling up at the last split second, bucking, flying rotor first, nearly looping (now they're not supposed to be able to do that!) and finally getting a mile away. Then it seemed to recover its' ability to fly right, and got the hell out of there. We've had witnesses to these things, too. The contact with Archangels was a great surprise to me, but I got confirmation from several other psychics whom I trust. One of the big things that happened to change the course of this planet (and save us from an apocolyptic nightmare) was the acceptance of the highest entity (the Archangels) on the planet to representative status, in what passes as a Galactic Council (not restricted to this galaxy nor to this dimension.) Before that, humans were like second-class citizens, which is what allowed the small greys and others to take such advantage of us. We'd ask about these events at our sessions. The wormhole was one that was defended... "roaches check out but they don't check in" sort of thing. I was told that those greys and other obnoxious ones were being allowed to leave but were "disposed of" when they tried to return, thus those explosions. That was when I was in contact with Artoos, the Arcturian ally, and we were actively removing greys, reptilians, and others who didn't belong here. Perhaps I should explain who-all "we" are... As Dragon puts it, "I am the third-dimensional agent of my fourth-dimensional will." Now, anyone who has read Jane Roberts' "Seth" books will understand this, and a few others might as well. Out there helping to defend this planet, "we" have parallel personalities, members of the same "soul group" who are aboard some of what us humans here call UFO's. We are aliens, and yet NOT... Dragon is the Captain of a warship, in a Reptilian body form (not all reptilians are enemies. Think of the early Star Trek when Klingons were the enemy, compared to the later incarnation of the show where a Klingon was a valuable and honored member of the crew; a more evolved form.) I'm out there, too. And between us all, we "banned" the small greys and others, officially, last summer. Then "we" chased them out. Of course, there are some renegades, but the mop-up operation is still going on. The non-resident ET's have been given their eviction notice; many are gone. We have representation on the Council and are being allowed to chart our own course. We are still dealing with the second-tier of those banned entities: hybrids, opportunists, camp followers, and other Dark Side figures... Things here in 3D reality take longer to unfold than they do on a Star Trek program, and we are left with the clean-up, the healing, and routing the last of the hangers-on. We are also bringing other humans' awareness up so that we are capable of making our own choices, unfettered by the manipulators who have been here among us for untold millennia. Above all, we have free will. With that goes the responsibility to choose to not only survive, but thrive. --MaryK

by **anotherdrew** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:07 am

so by october 2012 the show is over, the curtain drops, good night? The show is already getting going I suspect. 5 to 6 more years? There are so many naratives out there it's hard to keep them all straight. There are a few major points of difference between what various ones bring forward as truth. One point of differentiation on 2012 predictions is: after that date does human life on earth continue in some fashion or not? I think personally that we are comming to a parting of the ways, and the human spirit clade will be breaking off into different destinies, perhaps 7 primary possible paths.

by **marykmusic** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:43 am

I don't believe in that 2012 date; it's some more newage-rhymes-with-sewage scare tactics, another version of the end-of-the-world story. We have no limits except for self-imposed ones. --MaryK

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