We drink elixirs that we refine from the juices of the dying

[havanagilla]

oxytocin is already tested for gullibility (was targeted by the marketting industry).<br><br>as for the growth hormones I heard about recently from someone I am stlil not sure role of in MC (says he is victim, knows a lot). looking up, there is a section in WIKI about growth hormones <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>it is related to the pituitury gland etc. <br>The person who told me that, has a lot of inside info, but is not educated in these issues, so could get things wrong. <br>He said though, that the main substance used by MC is extracted mostly from a plant, or several plants, and this is substance that facilitates hypnosis and dissociation in the best way, it can be used in aerosol form, also in a room and effect a group of people (though not very large group/room).<br>He laid it on the masons/intel, but his secret society knowledge is very limited as well. <br><br>on edit - seems like growth hormones are somehow related to glocose level...(in fact hypoglocemia encourates the secretion). It there is anything true about the use of these secretions...well, let me go and puke for a while..this is very annoying. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 7/5/06 6:39 am<br></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Theweleit finds the feminine was represented as a primal, ego-dissolving fluidic force, against which the fascist male had to construct a prosthetic defence of armour, almost making a machine of himself in the process.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That explains a lot. Its a good theory in the context of ego dissolution and fear of death being similar.<br><br>I have been drinking and watching State of Origin so I may be a bit incoherent, or more accurately, more incoherent than usual.<br><br>One experience that has been consistant through all my mushroom experiences, most psychedelic ones, and many other aspects of my life, has been an ego dissolving feminine force. Sometimes I think of it as THE mindfuck. Which like all good sex, is a truly beautiful thing.<br><br>But the thing about it is that surrender (wnich is v v hard for me) and ego dissolution, accepting death and the coldness of the grave, makes it gentler and easier to cope with. The concept of fear of death and bad trips are probably closely intwined.<br><br>That prosthetic defense, (an externalisation of the power within btw) Theweleit talks about makes a lot of sense. Especially in the context of abuse and the generational transmition of abuse (not just child sexual abuse, but all sorts of ugly family violence.) And the passing of some prionic meme of power from one generation of aristocratic wealth and priveledge to another.<br><br>Excuse my spelling and grammer btw its prolly worse than usual.<br><br>Thats a big thing with western culture from curing by doctor/hospital institutions (which are btw great for emergencies and keeping people alive when they could well be dead, but maintaining health?? Maybe not) to using mobile phones instead of telepathy.<br><br>Externalisation of your power.<br><br>Which may as well read:<br><br>Surrender of your power to some force outside yourself.<br><br>The idea being to get access to greater power.<br><br>I prefer surrendering my ego to something outside myself.<br><br>(I guess that just means I'll end up with a bigger ego than I started <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ) But at least its not really mine. or something. (need an emoticon for braindead stupidity at this point.))<br><br>Hey friend. I have turned down the opportunity to see Salo a few times. A friend told me it almost put him off sex tho. But I think it trumps EWS as the movie of aris crocracy. I cxan make those blanket generalisations cos I haven't really seen either of them.<br><br>Dunno what Thundercrack is, some cross between early john waters and troma I am hoping. But I can see how Salo would put people off you. just from its rep. <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

In case you missed it, I referenced it in this post: <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/02/trouble-with-fascists_07.html">The Trouble with Fascists</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br>I think <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Salo</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> makes for good commentary on abu Ghraib. (That's Giuiliani in drag, btw. No photoshop necessary.)<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/salo-rumsfeld-abu-rudi-legs-sized.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>"Our guide restored the divine character of monstrosity thanks to reiterated actions. That is to say: rites." - <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Salo</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>From my post:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>But there's more going on here [re: abu Ghraib] than brutalization. Or rather, the brutalization has, I believe, a sacramental aspect. Because there's a liminal quality to the bulldozing of values which achieves for the fascists - and possibly also for some fragmented parts of their victims - an ecstatic state of transgression. Perhaps understanding this dynamic will help explain and anticipate the congruity of fascism with occultic crime and untangle "Satanic Ritual Abuse" from the double caricatures of fundamentalist hysteria and secular humanist disdain.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/5/06 9:12 am<br></i>

[friend catcher]

Apologies to Jeff, should have checked you hadn't referenced it before. Thundercrack's probably not relevent but a gay directors version of melodrama,mutantmovie,skinflick,haunted house,horror,scifi.............<br><br>everything but the kitchensink done for nothing and still packing out the cinemas when it's allowed. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thundercrackthefilm.com/">www.thundercrackthefilm.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It has a very good WTF effect on the unsuspecting <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

Has anyone read Blood Relations:Menstruation and the Origins of Culture (Chris Knight) ? if so, does it seem that the appropriation of female power is a theme which is being endlessly replayed, sometimes with rather crude literalness (Crowley et seq.)? Further that the suppression of culture by fascism (male domination cult) fits neatly. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There seems to be little focus on the magical properties of womens secretions during heaps of fun (from her POV) sex.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>One exception to this would be the "Oil of Lilith," which I first read about in Donald Tyson's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Sexual Alchemy: Magical Intercourse with Spirits</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <p></p><i></i>

[LilyPatToo]

havanagilla said, <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>seems like growth hormones are somehow related to glocose level...(in fact hypoglocemia encourages the secretion)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Now that's interesting--during those same years, I kept testing hypoglycemic. When the MILABs and the anxiety/depression ended, so did the hypoglycemia.<br><br>Hmmm...lots to think about here. [off to read that blog entry on fascisim]<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>

[yesferatu]

I don't want to sound combative, but on a practical level, what are we talking about? I can't seem to read into any of the posts whether there is a concern for something that is hinted at, or just an aside about sex magick. <br>Btw, "sex magick" is a redundant term, is it not?<br>But once psycho-phamaceuticals enter the picture, we are discussing sorcery, not magick...just to clarify terms. Of course sorcery immediately is associated with "the dark arts" before it is associated with shamanism, or light.<br>Jesus said we should handle serpents and drink poisons and speak in tongues. Kunalini, alchemy, invocation of praeternatural intelligences...all at the end of the gospel of Mark ch. 16. And Kenneth Grant thinks he's a fucking pioneer?<br> The human body is, to use the popularized, thereby profane imagery of sorcery, a cauldron. What do we use as the fire for this cauldron? <br> <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

that's what I was discussing I thought - criminal violation of another, causing greivous bodily harm, through deliberate poisoning. f*** 'magick/sorcery/bla bla call a pig a pig <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

What fuels your fire?<br><br>Stuff I guess.<br><br>fascism and transgression...<br><br>What fuels that fire?<br><br>Its a funny thing about magic mushrooms. the trippy parts you eat have been described as sex organs, but they are closer to the products of sex organs. They grow out of the actul body of the fungus, they appear after the right stimulation, and convey the next generation -> Usually all they need is time to pop, or an animal to eat them and spread the spores.<br><br>There seems to be a strong relationship between trypt amines, and dimensional portals. there is a relationship between sex and portals, both in the magical sense and the continuation of life sense. there is also a connection between chemicals that allow portals to open and the transmission of life from one generation to the next.<br><br>But lets stop there, and assume that the only thing that flows thru portals is the raw energy of creation.<br><br>Surely the thing that it flows through will determine the "spiritual energy" that is associated with it. Or, if you decide to invoke powerful creation forces through the practise of RSA or something similar, like ritual abuse intending to traumatise and manipulate someone. The forces are just the stuff of creation, the potters clay if you like. The potter does the actual shaping of what follows.<br><br>If the human body is a magical cauldron and the ingrediants are fear, pain and exploitation, who cares what the fuels the fire, the broth will smell foul, taste worse and probaly poison you. <p></p><i></i>

[LilyPatToo]

yesferatu, I've noticed many times on online forums that as long as a discussion keeps to history, abstract theory and hearsay, it flourishes. But if anyone happens to show up who has experienced the subject being discussed, a lot of folks either react by getting annoyed or they opt out of the discussion entirely. <br><br>The subject here is an especially icky one and involves exploitation of unwilling subjects, so I understand the aversion that most people will feel to having anyone speculate on the possibility that they might have been the "donors" for bodily secretions under discussion. But if that was the purpose of the covert abductions that I underwent for so many years, then I need more information. <br><br>So I apologize for interjecting myself into an ongoing discussion, but for me, the purpose goes way beyond idle curiousity.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

IMO there is no point in 'discussing' here what involves only the abstract theories and sanitised info generally available. Here is where you can 'meet' people who have had experiences. let's please keep mixing it all in. <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

Exactly blanc<br><br>And lils I think you should interject interject into this discussion, little things like your experience with hypoglycemia add heaps to it... <p></p><i></i>

[yesferatu]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>criminal violation of another, causing greivous bodily harm, through deliberate poisoning.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>pharmaceuticals is sorcery. It's the same damn thing. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>f*** 'magick/sorcery/bla bla<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I guess you think sorcery means something from Disney.<br>Fuck Disney. <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

Who is saying pharmaceuticals isn't sourcery?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>