Buzz Aldrin admits seeing UFO

by **orz** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:15 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>There's only 4 BBC TVs... no it clearly says TV doc... what would a scottish paper mean by "on 5" ? <hr></blockquote> There are only 2 terrestrial BBC channels (1 and 2) and now numerous digital ones... the other terrestrials are ITV (3), Channel 4, and 5 being channel 5, the most recent and low-rent of the terrestrial channels. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Yeah this kind of trashy documentary is prime Channel 5 material <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> ... they are the best channel really as they're so cheap + nasty, still feels like 80's TV where they'll have like... programmes and stuff! as opposed to endless Big Brother <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Interested to see this, but no doubt it will be on the internet soon after broadcast anyway... who needs VCRs any more <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Will be totally inconclusive, tell + show nothing, and stir up all sorts of internet arguements about fake moon landing etc... hoorah <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes">

by **anotherdrew** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:28 pm

yes Buzz took a swing at and conected on one of the ones hounding him, saying he didn't do the thing he risked his life to accomplish. I really don't blame Aldrin or the others that get pissed-off after a point, there could be no more proof than there already is. I guess I'm sufficiently convinced on this matter and I'll leave it at that. This pic is always a good one to pull out at times like this: <a href="http://img197.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nohearseespeak1dd.jpg"><img src="http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1884/nohearseespeak1dd.th.jpg"/></a> it's a real nasa picute, found on one of NASA's photo sites. that left most one sure looks like jonny carson tho doesn't he? ps- thanks for the info orz it must be <a href="http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=169962434&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_ch5&chspid=166005005&chname=Channel+5&title=Apollo+11+The+Untold+Story%3a+Stranger+Than+Fiction&normalized=Apollo+11+The+Untold+Story%3a+Stranger+Than+Fiction&progutn=1153800000&.intl=uk">this</a> show. Apollo 11 The Untold Story: Stranger Than Fiction When Neil Armstrong first set foot on the moon in July 1969, Apollo 11 was hailed as the supreme triumph of American technology. Now, nearly 40 years later, an exclusive interview with world-renowned astronaut, Buzz Aldrin, and previously unpublished NASA documents reveal how primitive computer technology, human error and mechanical failure almost resulted in an unprecedented disaster. === sounds like the 'UFO' is a very secondary mention. This whole thing sounds offly familar, is this a few years old this doc? I seem to remember the same type of doc, with buzz's ufo mention being talked about some years ago... Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 7/24/06 9:36 pm

by **nashvillebrook** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:10 am

sent up in a tuna can with less computing power than in is my cell phone... the UFOs would seem secondary to me too.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:22 am

Prof Pan wrote- <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Man, I would hate to live inside your one-track, paranoia-hijacked mind. Do you now wish to discourage all posting that falls outside of your narrowly-delineated war against keyword hijacking and ad absurdum media deconstruction? If so, please go empower yourself by starting up your own forum elsewhere. Really, what an asinine response.<hr></blockquote> Straw man as usual, Prof Pan. No, not all posts. This was about UFOs, wasn't it? (Geez, people. So much hostility. You can discuss what ya want, of course. No need to pretend that I'm some big bad censor. So don't villianize me for voicing my opinion.) I should've noted that I got essentially the same 'so what' from Prof Pan recently in a thread I posted about South Park being tied to the Cato Institute and Big Tobacco. <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=5271.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...5271.topic</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Interesting, Hugh, but really... is there anything new here? The (very real) Vast Right Wing Conspiracy has been well-documented. They're all pretty out in the open about their beliefs, and they have conferences, think tanks, and invited celebrities<hr></blockquote> Still, I wasn't just being vindictive to Prof Pan; I really meant what I wrote though perhaps with a little uncharacteristic exasperation due to PP's ho-hum at me about something I thought was very important, a matter of life and death. (Know how many people die from Big Tobacco which has even helped the Pentagon understand risk-taking in teens to use for recruiting tactics? It's true. Wolves who conspire on sheering young sheep. The first head of the Psychological Strategy Board was Gordon Gray who was heir to the RJ Reynolds Tobacco Company business.) But my point really was that there really aren't any consequences to the existence or non-existence of extra-terrestrial life. Yet. ET's aren't doing shit as far as we know. Seems we are on our own down here no matter who else is out there or even visiting here, right? As to Buzz Aldrin, realize that astronauts are pretty heaviliy indoctrinated to cover for USA, Inc. as iconic totems which have damn near religious themes foisted on them by the public. And this is encouraged by USA, Inc. because astronauts are the ultimate tip-of-the-civilisation-spear Ubermen who perform huge psy-ops theater for the National inSecurity State. You should read the published book of letters from Americans sent to John Glenn when he orbited Earth in 1962 and finally undid the NASA equivalent of Vietnam Syndrome suffered as Cold War mass psychosis because of the Soviets being the first to get their Sputnik satellite into orbit. I read it in a used book store and really absorbed how religious the public's reaction was. In times of national stress, confusion, and disillusionment the possibility of being saved by some great mystery from above can be a salve in the media whirlwind of emotional cues. A shiny object for a sniffling kid. Morale is everything, so some think. Carl Jung wrote about the psychic significance of UFOs. He decided that it was a case of (that irritating and patronizing meme) about needing comfort that we all hate to hear from poo-pooers about everything parapolitical. <a href="http://www.meta-religion.com/Psychiatry/Analytical_psychology/symbolism_of_ufos.htm">www.meta-religion.com/Psy...f_ufos.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Carl Jung was one of the first to try and analyze these "blips" on the "radar screen" in a symbolic way. As early as 1946 he started collecting data on UFOs and reading every book on the subject. In a 1951 letter to an American friend he wrote, "I'm puzzled to death about these phenomena, because I haven't been able yet to make out with sufficient certainty whether the whole thing is a rumor with concomitant singular and mass hallucination, or a downright fact." An event in 1958 led Jung to conclude that it was more desirable for people to believe UFOs exist than to believe they don't exist. One of his final works, Flying Saucers, was an attempt to answer why it was more desirable to believe in their existence. Jung came to the conclusion that UFOs were examples of the phenomena of synchronicity where external events mirror internal psychic states. As usual, he saw the UFO situation in a broader perspective than most. For Jung the UFO images had much to do with the ending of an era in history and the beginning of a new one. In his introductory remarks to Flying Saucers he writes about the UFO events: " As we know from ancient Egyptian history, they are manifestations of psychic changes which always appear at the end of one Platonic month and at the beginning of another. Apparently they are changes in the constellation of psychic dominants, of the archetypes, or 'gods' as they used to be called, which bring about, or accompany, long-lasting transformations of the collective psyche. The transformation started in the historical era and left its traces first in the passing of the aeon of Taurus into that of Aries, and then of Aries into Pisces, whose beginning coincides with the rise of Christianity. We are now nearing that great change which may be expected when the spring point enters Aquarius." In a similar manner that the medieval alchemists projected their psyche into matter, Jung felt that modern man projected his inner state into the heavens. In this sense, the UFOs became modern symbols for the ancient gods which came to man's assistance in time of need. The need perhaps was for wholeness again out of the increasing fragmentation of the modern world. In the early 50s and the beginning of the Cold War, when UFOs began to infiltrate popular culture, there was a great fragmentation in the world. Jung writes, "At a time when the world is divided by an iron curtain...we might expect all sorts of funny things, since when such a thing happens in an individual it means a complete dissociation, which is instantly compensated by symbols of wholeness and unity." It was very relevant to Jung that the shape of the flying saucers was round, the shape of the ancient Mandala, symbol of wholeness throughout history. <hr></blockquote> So once upon a time, astronauts were even bigger heroes than Charles Lindburgh or Babe Ruth. In 1962 it was as if Glenn were Jesus himself returning to save America. Lots of spiritual projection and the astronauts were trained how to turn that to the advantage of the State Department and Pentagon who wanted that 'buzz' every chance they could.  So I'm sure Buzz Aldrin is still playing for the team given his history. And this has nothing to do with whether UFOs and ETs are real or not. Absolute value of the topic in context of history leads to all these associations. See? Rational. Not paranoid, Prof Pan. on edit: Just look at the enormous media role Aldrin has played since his big adventure in the space weapons program called 'the moon landings.' <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004696/">www.imdb.com/name/nm0004696/</a> And note the title of his book/movie really tapped the Jesus emotional trigger with the title 'Return to Earth' in 1976- <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075135/">www.imdb.com/title/tt0075135/</a> But maybe I'm just "paranoid." lol. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/25/06 10:55 am

by **Avalon** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:36 am

It was Bart Sibrel that Aldrin punched. Sibrel is a major proponent of the idea that the moon landing pictures were faked. <a href="http://www.sptimes.com/2002/09/29/Floridian/Lunar_lunacy.shtml">www.sptimes.com/2002/09/2...nacy.shtml</a> Here's a curious anecdote from Wikipedia, that I'ce not encountered before: A myth widespread in Muslim countries is that Armstrong (and Aldrin) converted to Islam after their flight. While on the moon they heard a strange singing voice that they discovered was the adhan*. In March 1983, the United States Department of State was forced to release a press statement for embassies and consulates in Muslim countries that attempted to dispel the myth noting that Armstrong had not moved to the country of Lebanon, nor converted to Islam. --- from the 2005 bio of Armstrong, First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong</a> *Adhan(Azaan) ([ʔaðān]) is the Islamic call to prayer, recited by the muezzin. The root of the word is ʼḏn "to permit", and another derivative of this word is uḏun, meaning "ear". Adhan is called out by the muezzin from a minaret of a mosque five times a day (Sunni Islam) or three times a day (Shi'a Islam) summoning Muslims for Fard (mandatory) Salah (prayers). There is a second call known as iqama that summons Muslims to line up for the beginning of the prayers <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhan">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhan</a>

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:56 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>ET's aren't doing shit as far as we know.<hr></blockquote> Who the fuck made you the UFO authority of the known universe? ____________________ Oderint, dum metuant

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:08 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Who the fuck made you the UFO authority of the known universe?<hr></blockquote> Yikes. Hit a sore spot? Why the hostility? I'm no "expert," but I am positing a perspective on the topic. Do you have something that indicates something else is happening or could that we should know? Can you really make the case that, other than the experience of realizing we are not alone in the universe, that this affects the quality of our lives and the shit we have to deal with down on the surface of this ever-more toxic wet rock? I don't see why my position is so threatening to other's karma. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/alien.gif ALT="0]">

by **Mentalgongfu** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:11 am

Hugh said (emphasis in bold is mine): <blockquote>Quote:<hr> But my point really was that there really aren't any consequences to the existence or non-existence of extra-terrestrial life. ET's aren't doing shit as far as we know. Seems we are on our own no matter who else is out there or even visiting here, right?<hr></blockquote> As far as we know...and we don't seem to know, do we? Using the Rumsfeld model of Known unknowns and unknown unknowns, Being that we know we don't know if ETs are doing anything, we have no way of knowing how or if ETs may affect us. We may or may not be "on our own." For all I know, there could be a massive alien alliance whose aim is to save the Earthlings from themselves. Although personally, I don't presume aliens would be friendly and regardless I think assuming we ARE on our own re:alien species is the only way to get anything done and/or make spiritual progress. As to there being no consequences, I believe there is a great possiblity of massive social upheaval if contact with another 'intelligent' lifeform were revealed. That is a major consequence which has been considered by those who are in a position to know more than what is contained in our own speculations and observations. It doesn't take that much imagination to envision what chaos might ensue if the average American learned reliably that Aliens were visiting earth/communicating/abducting people/etc. C'mon. People get trampled when fire alarms go off at rock concerts. If a fire at a Hootie and the Blowfish show can cause panic, just do some extrapolation to think what events might be spawned by an alien encounter officially admitted or publicly viewed. It has been noted that (I think in project Bluebook or some such), historically, civilizations/cultures usually fail or decline dramatically when they come into contact with extremely 'alien' (read foreign) civilizations. Massive change. I would however add, as I understand, this conclusion comes from observations of European colonization, which usually made an explicit goal of destroying competing groups and cultures.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:23 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>As to there being no consequences, I believe there is a great possiblity of massive social upheaval if contact with another 'intelligent' lifeform were revealed. That is a major consequence which has been considered by those who are in a position to know more than what is contained in our own speculations and observations.<hr></blockquote> Absolutely. There would be strong motives to retain in-place control narratives which keep our focus on the White House as the Protecting Daddy of all Daddies while hinting and leaking that there was 'something going on' to confuse the confusable and inspire the inspirable. And again, that is whether ETs are real or not. So we aren't going to get the truth, are we? The topic is what we make of it. And that brings me back to my point: so what? Why go there? Except perhaps to discuss these issues we just did. Well, that's a good reason, I suppose...hmm.

by **Dreams End** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:29 am

Maybe people find it interesting.......

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:56 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Can you really make the case that, other than the experience of realizing we are not alone in the universe, that this affects the quality of our lives and the shit we have to deal with down on the surface of this ever-more toxic wet rock?<hr></blockquote> More bunker mentality. Carry on, hugh, you're doing a heckuva job. <img src="http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_violin.gif" style="border:0;"/> ____________________ Oderint, dum metuant

by **xsic bastardx** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:45 am

People also used to think that the world was flat. And that the Earth Revolved around the Sun. To assume that we know anything as a known in this universe is the very definiton of Ignorance.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:33 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>More bunker mentality.<hr></blockquote> No, I just don't smoke, wear hats, or see through glasses this color- <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat">

by **Sepka** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:47 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If this pattern holds the big story will be how Buzz used a pen to push a circuit breaker in place.<hr></blockquote> What's odd to me is that a number of media outlets suddenly seem to be presenting this as a bit of newly-uncovered history. It was thoroughly and publicly discussed at the time, and IIRC the discovery that it was broken happened live on TV. Aldrin (the general concensus was that it almost had to have been Aldrin) broke the knob off the Engine Arm circuit breaker while putting on his life support backpack in close quarters. The breakers were designed, contrary to all good practice, without guards to keep them from being bumped into. Aldrin used what he described at the time as a 'felt tip' to shove it in. Subsequent LMs had guards over the breakers. -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **stickdog99** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:01 am

So is Buzz lying about seeing that UFO? Or about walking on the Moon? Or both? Or neither?

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