Reincarnation....

[Joe Hillshoist]

I live your take on things Seventhsonjr.<br><br>i always end up asking my old man what he learned when he was young about Karma and reincarnation, and Maya and all that. He speaks Hindu and many other indo root languages and reads sanskrit, so i trust his translation and interpretation of stuff.<br><br>He often insists that Karma is fate.<br><br>Thats a bit paraphrased and maybe I don't fully understand what he is getting at.<br><br>Karma is destiny, in that events are caused by the interactions of other events and their consequences resonate through time.<br><br>Dads impression is that whether or not Karma is a real thing or a piece of dogma, its actual usefulness lies in using it to put your worldview in perspective, and act with some thought to the consequences of your actions, even the ones you probably can't anticipate.<br><br>But I often think of it in terms of the Thibetan interpretation you mentioned. That we choose this life and choose the Karma we are going to play our lives out against. Thats a very liberating thought, tho a bit of headfuck. (Did jon benet ramsey choose her Karma?)<br><br>I don't necessarily hold to the idea that the wheel of karma is a bad thing and has to stepped of tho.<br><br>But I like the thought that it is a way of liberating yourself from the seeming tyranny of the world, by saying I chose to be here to deal with this. Its a good way to avoid the victim mentality that so often creeps into life when thinking about the scale of the mess on earth right now.<br><br>There are a few cultures that have reincarnation as part of their worldview, but also claim souls are made up of more than one element, or that people are made up of more than one soul. It seems Heaven and rebirth are not necessarily mutually exclusive. <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

I'm more into the Jane Roberts/Seth version... that linear time is an artificial construct in order to give small minds something to think about. No big scary concepts for most folks; they would self-destruct if fed too much... or simply go back to watching football and reading the Enquirer.<br><br>Here's the way Seth/Jane explains it, in simplified terms. We have a sort of "Oversoul" and the various parts choose different experiences in 3D, in order to learn. Thus, I am here in 2006; at the same "time" one of my counterparts is on a sailing ship in 1806. Perhaps yet another is on a spaceship fighting the good fight in what a linear-time-believer would call 2106.<br><br>But they're all a part of Me. And I can "look in" on each of them. As a child I was obsessed with sailing ships, despite a crippling fear of being in the water (had the equivalent of a deja-vu near-death-experience in Hawai'i, at age 16, while wading in shallow water at Waikiki. I got caught in an undertow and came close to drowning... again.)<br><br>Another example: over 20 years ago when I bought my first antique cavalry officer's saddle, it was as though I had come home. After riding Western, hunt seat, and bareback for years, there was nothing like the feel of that saddle. So, in what lifetime was I an officer? I only recently switched to a dressage saddle; still have the old one, though.<br><br>Anyone else have memories? How do we know what's past, and what's future? Is there really such a distinction, or is it really all the Now? --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[rain]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>about debt<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>let me try, quite briefly, to give a little on my perspective of Cayce and his views on 'karma'<br>and pardon the jingoism.<br><br>Cayce came from a particular tradition and continued to function within that tradition, If the notion 'karma' is about anything, it's that we tend to keep doing the same things, over and over, until we choose to learn not to do that. His notion of 'karma' as 'debt', may be seen to be quite specific to him personally, and, correctly, to be generalizable to others who may be open to adjusting the folly of their ways. He was, that is, attempting to avoid a repeat performance.<br>I'd have to say that there is much, much, that Cayce either wasn't aware of and/or chose not to delve into, most likely the former.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

In other words, rain, Cayce tried to fit the "new" information into the original framework of his familiy's culture and religion. I think that is a distinct possibility, if that is what you are saying. Interesting man, nevertheless. <p></p><i></i>

[rain]

sort of chiggers.<br>I don't doubt that Cayce knew much of his 'past' and understood his context within his 'present'<br>I don't think that in any way he manipulated or adjusted his messages.<br>very difficult, if not nigh impossible, to explain how this works, it's necessarily an experential learning. <br><br><br>Cayce. 1934.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If there is not the acceptance in America of the closer brotherhood of man, the love of the neighbor as self, civilization must wend its way westward – and again must Mongolia, must a hated people, be raised.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Cayce's blackboard wasn't big enough for the entire message. <p></p><i></i>

[rain]

LOL. yeah.<br><br>maybe he could have tried big signs<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>WRONG WAY<br>GO 'BACK'</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

Yeah the whole context or framework of Karma and reincarnation are within an attempt to "live right" (Whatever that means).<br><br>Its not necessarily a reality, but a framework to use when creating an approach to reality.<br><br>Well maybe not, but ...<br><br>Increased pollution and global warming/climate change are both karmic consequences of the industrial revolution and the processes that followed it.<br><br>We all know that, yet well, leaf blowers.<br><br>What has that to do with Karma?<br><br>As I said since the industrial revolution processes that generate much more available energy than ordinary human metabolism have been in place, the consequence of this is pollution.<br><br>Now we have leaf blowers so we don't have to use a broom.<br><br>This is bad Karma.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If the notion 'karma' is about anything, it's that we tend to keep doing the same things, over and over, until we choose to learn not to do that. His notion of 'karma' as 'debt', may be seen to be quite specific to him personally, and, correctly, to be generalizable to others who may be open to adjusting the folly of their ways. He was, that is, attempting to avoid a repeat performance.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Bad Karma, failure to adjust.<br><br>Leads to leaf blowers, and fat people getting fatter, and in the process covering the rest of us with the byproducts of whats needed to maintain their fat laziness. (Not like me of course. i'm perfect.)<br><br>It sounds like Im raving total rubbish, but I get what you are saying rain. <p></p><i></i>

[xsic bastardx]

<br><br> I love talk about this....It's something I have lived with since I was two and half. It's truly mysterious the way it threads through your life. The little hints that are shown to us and uncanny honesty behind it.<br> Personally.....I think we ask for each life, we come here to learn certain lessons, to attain certain life expierence for what we see/feel/expierence here is unlike anything over there. Our truly closest friends/family aiding us along the way with our quest to achieve whatever enlightenment our Soul is searching for, call out it Destiny if you will....Fate for me is when those unexpected lessons or adventures come along and the "New" Souls that we meet forever bonding and finding eachother again down the road......<br> I find myself longing to be over there, I don't think I am coming back for awhile after I go......<br><br> How many on here have read the Dune Chornicles by Frank Herbet?......Wonderfull Books if you haven't read but be carefull if you pick them up, ther long and tuff but truly mind blowing.......<br><br> There are huge threads within that book about not only the "Messiah Complex" within Humanity.....but also Reincarnation and attainment of Power behind that....was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on that in here.......The Dune Books that is....in relation to reincarnation <p></p><i></i>

[slomo]

It can be useful to view karma from a perspective that does not explicitly require a metaphysical interpretation:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://memetix.blogspot.com/2006/10/good-evil-and-karma-manifolds-and.html">memetix.blogspot.com/2006...s-and.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Basically, karma is feedback. Consequences of action in a nonlinear dynamical system. <p></p><i></i>

[DireStrike]

I think the concept of Karma is represented in today's christianity by "original sin". Perhaps way back in its roots, a more tolerant and understanding version of christianity used it as a metaphor for tradition. Abusers often abuse, and all that... <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Didn't I read here at RI on some other thread that early Christians were reincarnationists? <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

we're all the same drop of water.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 10/7/06 11:27 am<br></i>

[anotherdrew]

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/7126/buddhany5.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>http://www.dzogchen.org/teachings/talks/dtalk-95may22.html<br>http://www.geocities.com/amitabha48vows/infinite.html<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skandha<br>Tradition relates that after the Buddha's complete enlightenment he uttered the following words:<br>Seeking but not finding the housebuilder, I have traveled through the round of countless births. How painful is birth over and over again. Oh housebuilder! You have now been caught! You shall not build a house again. Your rafters have been broken. Your ridgepole demolished. The unconditioned consciousness has been attained. And every kind of craving has been destroyed.<br><br>The 'housebuilder' to which the Buddha refers is just this mental faculty of sankhara conditioned by ignorance.<br><br>The last words of the Buddha were:<br>Disciples, this I declare to you: All conditioned things are subject to disintegration - strive on untiringly for your liberation. <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

now if we could only get more blonde swede supermodels to read that.... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 10/7/06 5:59 pm<br></i>