Reincarnation....

by **marykmusic** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:06 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Didn't I read here at RI on some other thread that early Christians were reincarnationists? <hr></blockquote> A Bible verse that is often used to support reincarnation goes like this: "In my house there are many mansions." Of course, only the highly educated wealthy could read until the last couple of centuries. This guaranteed the priesthood total control over what Christians were allowed to believe, and reincarnation didn't help fill the collection plate. It was one of many branches of early Christianity that fully supported reincarnation, the Gnostics, as well as other radical ideas such as equality of the sexes, vegetarianism, and education for anyone who wanted to learn. St. Valentine was a revered leader of the Gnostic church; the holiday in his memory bears little resemblence to the man who believed that sex was a beautiful way to express love... Meanwhile, those who would become the Catholic church banded together to "decide" what would be in the Bible and taught to the unwashed masses. They sensed the threat from the Gnostics and did whatever they could to squelch that form of Christianity. Often this required massacres. This was early training for the Crusaders; first, those who believed "wrongly" would be killed, to whet the fighting skills of the Crusaders. Usually, more Europeans were killed on the way to the Holy Land than Saracens (or whoever was the enemy du jour) after they got there. The last massacre that we know of was a pacifistic Gnostic sect in France known as the Cathars. There were thousands of them. This was in, I believe, the 16th century. Not much sport there... I wonder how many of them came back as pacifistic hippies? Jesus Freaks! --MaryK

by **anotherdrew** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:15 am

<a href="http://www.gnosis.org/thomasbook/ch22.html">www.gnosis.org/thomasbook/ch22.html</a>

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:35 am

Yikes, ch 22?

by **anotherdrew** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:05 am

yeah, the whole book is there, lotsa info <blockquote>Quote:<hr>About this Book This book brings together the lore involving the apostle Thomas as a long-forgotten, long-suppressed, major figure in one of the many forms of early Christianity. Thomas emerges as the special confidant and closest companion of Jesus, recorder of his master's words, and, in some sense, his twin (blood brother? earthly counterpart? spiritual kinsman?). Jesus appears as an inspired sage imparting spiritual truths to his hearers, not as the Messiah, part of the godhead, presented in Paul's writings and the canonical gospels. The Thomas traditions take two tracks. On one he is Thomas the Wanderer -- evangelist and founder of churches in the East. Various legends link him with Syria, Mesopotamia, Egypt, India, Pakistan, China, Brazil, and Mexico. I look into possible reasons for these stories. On the second track, he is Thomas the Knower, teaching in the context of the Gnostic movement. Gnostics ("Knowers") regarded the True God as pure spirit and thought humankind's goal should be reunion with that Oneness, escaping the material prison in which the inferior creator-god has placed it. There is a resemblance to notions of release and enlightenment found among Buddhists and other in the East, and among mystics more generally. This account is intended for those who are open to thinking about a very early strain of the religion that has given its name to the dominant Western culture, who are interested in the history of religious ideas and institutions, who explore the interactions of East and West, who search for possible bases of ecumenism, or who are open to a new, but very old, form of questing. <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.gnosis.org/thomasbook/thomas.html">www.gnosis.org/thomasbook/thomas.html</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 10/8/06 2:07 am

by **slimmouse** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:05 am

I wonder why this particular gospel never made the edit into the "good book" at the Council of Nicea ? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

by **marykmusic** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:03 pm

Ohmygosh, surely this was a rhetorical question... Nicea was how the early Church set its methods and goals, with world domination in mind. Whatever (including the idea of reincarnation) didn't lend itself toward that, was suppressed.This included the necessity of destroying the library at Alexandria, Egypt. Missionaries from the various Christian churches have, and continue to destroy every culture's form of spirituality. Africa. The Amazon. Native Americans here, and Hawai'ians... all "Christianized." Some retain a bit of the original, but it is very much diluted. A rare exception was Father Kino in the Tucson area, a Jesuit from the Austrian/Italian border and a mathemetician; on his deathbed while at university, he swore to become a missionary if he were allowed to live. Otherwise, it was said at the time, he would have become one of the pre-eminent mathemeticians of late 16th-century Europe. He not only brought cattle, wheat, and orchards to the area, but truly loved the Indians he found. He offered his religion as an add-on, not a replacement. That's why the Apache let him travel unmolested, y himself, hundreds of miles through their territory. Nobody else went as far or did as much good as he. Not coincidentally, the Spanish recalled all the Jesuits after he had been here for 40 years, and sent them home (with absolutely no warning, they were simply gathered up and escorted back to Spain.) Those who replaced them were more the slave-driver types the colonial rulers preferred. That changed everything in what is now the American Southwest. --MaryK

by **slimmouse** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:43 pm

Yes Mary, it was kinda rhetorical. Im kinda reasonably well versed in the history of religion, and the elite who, shall we say "restructured" it. The handshake was something else their disciples then restructured. Much of this , as you rightly point out, courtesy of the trashing of the library at Alexandria, along with the ongoing trashings of alternative historians such as John Anthony West, Sitchin and others - not to mention the undisclosed trashing of what are doubtlessly thousands of ancient artefacts and documents courtesy of the latest war on terror in Iraq. The latter of course will doubtlessly be ascribed to unavoidable, or more probably "accidental" collateral damage. Ive been meaning to post something more coherent on the whole religion scam for some time now - But of course, fool that I am, I find myself getting involved in debates regarding this very subject. Maybe one day, I'll actually get round to it. The trouble is of course, its such a truly immense topic. The title is somewhat easier; Divide and rule-igion.

by **Seamus OBlimey** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:01 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>not to mention the undisclosed trashing of what are doubtlessly thousands of ancient artefacts and documents courtesy of the latest war on terror in Iraq.<hr></blockquote> I wondered before the invasion of Iraq whether this was the real purpose. What with Bush calling it a crusade?

by **anotherdrew** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:25 pm

this group I've only recently found out about... I wonder how long before we find a copy of the Thalia somewhere? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism</a> if you can read anything into the names, this event says a lot: "Two days after Theodosius arrived in Constantinople, November 24, 380, he expelled the Homoian bishop, Demophilus of Constantinople, and surrendered the churches of that city to Gregory Nazianzus, the leader of the rather small Nicene community there, an act which provoked rioting. "

by **slimmouse** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:26 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I wondered before the invasion of Iraq whether this was the real purpose. What with Bush calling it a crusade?<hr></blockquote> Not to hijack this excellent thread, but I feel personally that whilst this is a factor that sits well under the radar, , and without going more deeply into the specifics, this is something IMO which may well have far more significance than most might give credence to. Except them of course Just to add to the reincarnation theme meanwhile, and rather fitting in the context of the Gnostic gospel of St Thomas writings; According to Thomas, Jesus says within this gospel, and to paraphrase ; Lift up a stone and I am there, cleave thee a stick and I am there That, it may be argued would confirm modern quantum theory to the extent that parts of us are constantly flitting around the universe, (and have indeed been found in two places at the same time). From my own perspective, I tend to see this from the angle that we are indeed all part of God or should I say we are all God. To put this into context I would argue that this is just as a drop from the Ocean ( you or me) might only be fairly described as the Ocean when sat within it. And of course the Ocean of infinite consciousness ( to continue with the metaphor) is inexorably linked - Something else which they dont want you to know. I mean lets face it, how can you control people by getting them fighting each other, if people understand that they are all part of the same whole ? In other words, Would your left hand cut off the right ? I have always been really confused, indeed frustrated by the reincarnation thing, until I asked THE question regarding this as far as I was concerned ; Namely - "Who decides whether we reincarnate, or move to a higher state of consciousness ?" To which the reply came. " You do", along with the explanation that there is only one person who ultimately we cannot lie to - namely ourselves. Strangely enough, when I asked the question " who is the one person you cannot lie to ?" to a young visitor to my workplace the other week, she said........ "God". <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> This is when I sometimes really wonder about"Bush is thick", when I listen to a confirmed freemason saying "God told me to strike at Al Quaeda, or to invade Iraq" Or Tony Blair telling viewers on Parkinson when asked how he could live with his decision to invade Iraq, replying ( to paraphrase again ) "For those of you who believe in God, I say, that I will answer to God for my actions"

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:50 pm

"For those of you who believe in God, I say, that I will answer to God for my actions" Which is another way of saying, "I am not accountable to you."

by **slimmouse** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:04 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Which is another way of saying, "I am not accountable to you."<hr></blockquote> Taken within the context of we are all part of god, I would argue completely the opposite. However, in this 5 sense reality of course, Blair isnt accountable to us. But I am genuinely tempted to think that he does understand how "God" actually works so to speak. The problem Blair, and all fellow freemasons have , is that in this dimension ( the physical, or "fallen angel" dimension) they enjoy what they do,the power they exercise, and the lifestyle this allows them. And of course, the infinite consciousness, by any logical description will accomodate both the dark and the light. I guess its up to you and I which path we choose <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> On edit. I kinda like the path chosen by the Amish you linked to Chig ; <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=6451.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=6451.topic</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 10/8/06 4:10 pm

by **Chiaroscuro** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:08 am

it is difficult to agitate for wars when the people acknowledge the indwelling divinity of all things. better for the ptb to create the myth that they are the only ones who are divine or at least connected to it. two rather good books on reincarnation are by carol bowman. she has a website childpastlives.org

by **Pierre d'Achoppement** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:06 am

"When we die, do we haunt the sky?
Do we lurk in the murk of the seas?
What then? Are we born again?
Just to sit asking questions like these?
I know, for I told me so,
And I'm sure each of you quite agrees:
The more it stays the same, the less it changes!
And that's The Majesty Of Rock!
The Mystery of Roll!
The darning of the sock,
The scoring of the goal!
The farmer takes a wife
The barber takes a pole.
We're in this together...and ever..."

by **Legionnaire** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:14 am

We do reincarnate, and some are able do this with intention.

This is useful for those who wish to complete their work on earth, should their physical bodies become unable to sustain their present lives.

There are even some humans today who remain fully conscious of their every physical existence and who, because of that, are essentially immortal.

Such knowledge remains reserved for the very few however. And much effort, even violence, has been employed to keep the secret.

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I wonder Why ?

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Yes, Mary.

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Arianism and the Thalia

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