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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby scollon » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:55 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'd rather not, if it's all the same with you!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This was my university dept.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk/">www.physics.gla.ac.uk/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This is the 'girl' who was top of the class, I was ninth<br><br>Professor Norna A. Robertson<br>Professor of Experimental Physics (part-time) <br> <br>Professional Affiliations: FRSE, FInstP, FRAS<br><br>In 2003 Norna Robertson moved to Stanford University, taking up a position as research scientist in the Ginzton Laboratory. She retains a part-time professorship at Glasgow University.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk/igr/people.php?person=nrobertson">www.physics.gla.ac.uk/igr...nrobertson</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This is what they do<br><br>Science to ride gravitational waves (BBC)<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4415722.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/scien...415722.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I attended one of the first presentations of the gravitational waves group. Didn't understand (hardly) a word of it !<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby orz » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:22 am

Good for you! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Something i missed replying to before:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The source is cyberspace, it could have been written by NASA (AKA the US military) or bugs bunny as I suggested.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>So? What does it matter who wrote it, so long as it's correct? <br><br>Anyway, it is possible to research outside the internet, amazingly enough! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I could go to a library and read books about physics, space travel, photography etc. Is every book ever written about any of the subjects secretly part of the NASA coverup?<br><br>With a bit of research, I'm sure could even pick up the phone and call any number of people who actually work at NASA! Or even people who actually worked on the moon missions! There were certainly a lot of people involved... But of course every single one is in on it and would lie to me, right? Along with every independent non-nasa scientist who has ever looked at the huge quantities of data the various missions brought back. <br><br>Right?<br><br>Did your professors at university, who surely ARE qualified to understand the science that you insist I can't, believe the moon missions were fake? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby orz » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:26 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Just wondering if those above who support the moon landings as real, also believe the 9/11 myth?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>No. Definitely something(s) wrong there. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby scollon » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:31 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Did your professors at university, who surely ARE qualified to understand the science that you insist I can't, believe the moon missions were fake ?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>No idea, I never suspected they were myself until 2 or 3 years ago. I doubt it very much, there is no scientific motivation to investigate that. <br><br>"So? What does it matter who wrote it, so long as it's correct? "<br><br>No problem if it's solid information from a solid independent institution (like a university website) . The source in question was a website invented to disprove the moon hoax theory by people who weren't qualified. The people here commenting and using it for justification were even less qualified to judge if it was correct.<br><br>The truth is, science is a closed book for 99.9 % of the population including scientists not qualified in other areas. That's why Americans eat GM food - there is a powerful enough lobby to persuade the government it's safe and they believe it (or are paid to believe it) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/5/06 8:39 am<br></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby scollon » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:52 am

To make it clear in case anyone thinks anything else.<br><br>All I have proved is that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>IF</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the landings were fake they couldn't have shown pictures of the stars, that's all. Doesn't mean it was a fake. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Blotopia » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:17 pm

<br><br>Hey Orz!<br><br>Are LIHOP or MIHOP?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:50 pm

I'm not aware of any Stellar Bodies that are close enough to us that the distance from the Earth to the Moon would reveal visible discrepancies. You can see measure parallax much more when looking at stars closer to us from 2 points in the Earth's orbit 180 degrees apart, but the visible field from the Moon would not look different at all to an observer or camera..<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/parallax.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:16 pm

Good grief -- This IS a lost cause.<br><br>The 'no moon photos of stars' argument is a total red-herring.<br>Shame on you Scollon for not paying more attention during astronomy classes. As anyone who is reasonably versed with the subject, on the relative scale of the celestial sphere there's virtually NO difference in perspective of the starfield from the moon vs earth. The moon is ONLY approx. 250,000 miles from the earth, while the stars, other than our sun, are a minimum of some 3.2 LIGHTYEARS for the nearest stars, up to several million LY and more.<br><br>It's like photographing the Grand Tetons from a point 52 miles away, and from 51.75 miles away -- the images are going to be essentially identical. Only for the closest neighboring stars would there be any noteable difference, and then ONLY with the most meticulous examination.<br><br>But that's another thing -- Your argument isn't even logically consistent (as Orz pointed out). On the one hand you claim that NASA scientists and astronomers are too dumb to cleverly 'chart' the position of stars, while asserting that amateur astronomers are too clever to be fooled -- so they COULD chart the 'correct' star positions. It's amazing how many Hoax Believers can be taken in by such sloppy thinking -- what is it, a compensating mechanism by which to 'prove' that one is more clever than the scientific conspiracy community? Or a knee-jerk response -- if 'they' something is so-and-so, then 'they' must be lying?<br><br>You make other false generalizations --such as, that the scientific community is in one accord on the 'safety' of GM foods. Wrong -- there is NO WAY any consensus -- many, many biologists and biochemists and geneticists and other scientists oppose the increasing use of GM technology to manipulate and control the food supply. This is another indication of how selectively informed you are. You also don't even make the effort to familiarize yourself with counterarguments -- you just assume you're right so why bother?<br><br>I guess some people just have a burning need to believe the moon landings were a fraud -- so there will NEVER be enough evidence or proof to convince them -- it's all a massive scheme that everyone with intimate knowledge of the fraud, including the Soviets and foreign astronomers and ham radio operator and tens-of-thousands of scientists around the world are 'in' on.<br><br>This is an example of selective interpretation and manipulating information only to push your thesis. You're so committed to believing the moon landing was a hoax that you just can't look at the evidence objectively.<br><br>Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion -- as I am to say why your 'logic' is deeply flawed.<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby scollon » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:29 pm

Starman, such a wonderful collection of nonsense all in one little post.<br><br>This is simple. The position of stars in the sky at any one moment is (sometimes spectacularly) different depending where you are on the earth. The moon is a different body altogether, therefore, the rising and setting of stars (for example) would be totally different than anywhere on earth. The stars would be in exactly the same place wrt to each other, yes. Is that what you mean ?? I think it is. Et in Arcadia ego too.<br><br>Clue - what does the Southern Cross look like ?? Look out your window tonight <br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rollin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <br>See this again<br><br>The Celestial Sphere<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.star.ucl.ac.uk/~idh/STROBEL/nakedeye/nakedeya.htm">www.star.ucl.ac.uk/~idh/S...kedeya.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Again, your GM stuff is just stoopid, Americans eat GM food, it is against the law to even label its absence. If there is a dissenting opinion, they don't hear it and they don't have the expertise to judge for themselves. They wouldn't understand the science if they read it.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You're so committed to believing the moon landing was a hoax that you just can't look at the evidence objectively.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>No, it's just that you are an arrogant nitwit who knows nothing about astronomy, is incapable of reason and thinks the moon shines out of your ass.<br><br><br>This takes the biscuit for silliness<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>On the one hand you claim that NASA scientists and astronomers are too dumb to cleverly 'chart' the position of stars, while asserting that amateur astronomers are too clever to be fooled -- so they COULD chart the 'correct' star positions.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>I only replied because two people made the same mistake by the way and it's the reason I talked about planets first which <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>would</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> be in slightly different places wrt each other. I then realised stars would be in totally different positions in the sky because of what I just explained.<br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/5/06 12:35 pm<br></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby orz » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:52 pm

So you're saying that NASA couldn't take a photo of the stars and rotate it a bit?! And maybe (? I don't even know) move mars about 1mm or something?!? Hmm, sounds complex. After all, it's not like they employ any astronomers or mathematicians there at NASA. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>ANyway, it's indeed a red herring of a red herring of a dead herring. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>And lots of arguments at cross-purposes!<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Are LIHOP or MIHOP?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>GKWHOP <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby scollon » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:06 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So you're saying that NASA couldn't take a photo of the stars and rotate it a bit?! And maybe (? I don't even know) move mars about 1mm or something?!? Hmm, sounds complex. After all, it's not like they employ any astronomers or mathematicians there at NASA. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sure they could, just like they make gold by heating up lead in a test tube full of of vinegar and santa dropped your computer down the chimney a few days ago.<br><br>The point is they had the opportunity to show one of the most spectacular sights ever seen. The sky full of stars with no atmosphere to block the view. NASA spent $4 billion dollars to get that from the Hubble space telescope.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/5/06 1:19 pm<br></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby orz » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:18 pm

Uh..... okkaaaaaayyy..... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Engineering Problem

Postby orz » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:32 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>NASA spent $4 billion dollars to get that from the Hubble space telescope.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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proof

Postby Dreams End » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:09 pm

Well, I was skeptical, but I found this image that pretty much proves the hoax theory. I was surprised. You have to look closely, but clearly this photo is a smoking gun, which is why it wasn't released by NASA.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/bobalien99/nesmoon3.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: proof

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:15 pm

lol. <p></p><i></i>
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