Quantum Physics in Action

[4911]

Looks like Ive unruffled some feathers, Im sorry if I caused grief. Maybe it is better to explore these areas than to wallow in pity though. Pity helps nobody in the long run. <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

Dreams End: Quit being a pussy.<br><br>Are you manic depressive? Chill out. Its not my goal to hurt your feelings. This is a discussion board. You wanna withhold information at your liesure thats youre right, but dont expect a sandwich if you only give one slice of baloney. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/1/06 5:50 pm<br></i>

[Dreams End]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Dreams End: Quit being a pussy.<br><br>Are you manic depressive? Chill out.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That doesn't sound like accepting your responsibility as a victim to me.... <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

Dreams End, um, Im not your victim. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/1/06 5:51 pm<br></i>

[4911]

Either way, have fun getting bitter. Im not into your style of sucking energy out of posts. Why dont you start your own thread where you can be as bitter as you like man. We are talking about quantum consciousness, you took something waay too personal and now youre wallowing in bullshit. I didnt mean to hurt your feelings. Im sorry if I did, but do me a favor and either get your problem on the table or shut up with your inconclusive whining. By the way I take responsibility for saying this. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/1/06 6:08 pm<br></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Minds on this forum are too excellent to fall into the pettiness I see in this thread.. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[4911]

right on, so much for the topic. I totally respect what youve done for world peace DE, too bad you cant muster the wherewithall to explore a topic like consciousness without busting a nut. <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

slimmouse - did you mean savez? that's french do you know<br><br>apart from that, your statement "appreciate the screwed-up psyche of the average Isreali" is racist, and bigoted, and pompous crap.<br><br>4911 - should you pm me I will send you some details of the fate of victims from age of, say seven weeks, and then you can explain your contention that 'the victim is the perpetrator'. If you are stuck on this one, there are a number of statements made by convicted paedophiles which may help you, I'll send you those as well. <br>On second thoughts, fuck you. <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>apart from that, your statement "appreciate the screwed-up psyche of the average Isreali" is racist, and bigoted, and pompous crap.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> I should imagine it is all of the above.<br><br> I mean after all, if you or your relatives had survived a holocaust, only to be thrust into your "safe haven" or is that "Promised land?", to spend every single day of your existence in a created hell on earth in just about a perpetual state of war, then Im sure thats bound to keep your Psyche in balance right ?<br><br> But then again, maybe im just being too sensitive, when I think about how that might affect people ?<br><br> Or Sorry, am I actually being "Racist pompous, and all the rest ?" <p></p><i></i>

[blanc]

not possible to pass judgement on a whole nation's psyche, . the amazing thing about the survivors is how much human grace survived too. please don't characterise people who have been through hell and then betrayed as universally screwed up, even if your intentions are sympathetic. <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Just one last thing...<br><br>ONe of the most important thing for survivors of abuse is to deprogram themselves of the idea that whatever happened was their fault. Until then, anger turns inwards and self destructive behavior follows...<br><br>Whatever you think of me (and blanc, I guess now too) if you have a loved one who is or was a victim of abuse...don't tell them she brought it on herself. She already thinks that anyway...and it could literally cost her her life. <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

Wish i had got online a few days ago/pages back.<br><br>One of the biggest issues I have with this stuff is paradox.<br><br>If you can't deal with it you are screwed, because it turns up everywhere.<br><br>As someone who has done more than their fair share of occult ritual and magic and the like, I resent the tendancy that everyone ha to classify such stuff as ultimately evil.<br><br>I guess none of the rituals I have done have involved inflicting pain, death or abuse on people. Well, no guess about it. Never ever have I done anything despicable like that.<br><br>I never had Yog Soggoth crawling up my leg.<br><br>Feeling my head being set into one of Azathoth's rings was pretty intense. The feeling of a giant finger sticking through your chest is well ... unique. Mildly scary.<br><br>So what i am not evil, my actions aren't either.<br><br>Cos I am responsible for them.<br><br>Even after 10 OP rums and 5 joints I am still responsible for my actions. I still retain the choice of how I act. Sometimes I have been a bit of a dickhead... But oh well that was my choice and I made it for my reasons. I may not be proud of how I acted (or was told I acted), but I am not ashamed of myself either. I won't do things i would be ashamed of.<br><br>All this good or evil rubbish is just that. Rubbish. You are responsible for your soul and no amount of reading the necronomicon will change that. If you give up your soul cos of that book, well the book makes no difference. If you are like that you will give up your soul for any reason, necronemicon or job in finance or marketing, the details are irrelevant.<br><br>So in that context all this positive thinking bullshit is just that.<br><br>Fertilizer.<br><br>The secret is visualisation. To use your magination to prelive what you wish to occur, that usually involves visualising what you will do and how you will do it.<br><br>If you are trying to think positive in from a negative world view, your negative world view is what you create.<br><br>And although positive thinking has power, chemical reactions have power as well... thinking you can make napalm go away is foolish. However a person without a victim mentality is doing everthing in their power to avoid what they know is certain (but hopefully only probable) death.<br><br>The victim is running down the road screaming.<br><br>There is a real danger of Fascism when you take on the mentality that you create the world you live in. It is easy to see others as inferior for not saving themselves.<br><br>If you think like this its already too late for your soul.<br><br>You create the world we all live in, so do I. You helped create the world that burned that napalm victims kin. And skin.<br><br>Anyway I am rambling. <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

I know this turned up twice, but its probably worth repeating again. (And again and again).<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Whatever you think of me (and blanc, I guess now too) if you have a loved one who is or was a victim of abuse...don't tell them she brought it on herself. She already thinks that anyway...and it could literally cost her her life. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

I was a victim of some rather nasty shit myself, actually. <br><br>I got over it by blaming myself, seeing that I had power to change...to get out of this victim complex. Hence I went from being a victim "oh they did this to me" to being empowered "oh, I actually did it to myself"<br><br>I wasnt able to sleep, concentrate properly, be at ease or enjoy anything. I wwent through hours and hours of audio mp3s by psychologists and other audiobooks to search for an angle that would lead me to a release from my painful memories, or to help me understand my situation.<br><br>I found that - taking responsibility for my pain. Also found some stuff on NLP which helped out alot.<br><br>Anyways, its rather easy to see the people who have done this for themselves as opposed to the people who havent. The difference is in their bitterness. I guess its not for everyone. Some people draw alot of energy from their victim complex. Others wish to get beyond it. My big mistake I guess was saying that it is for everyone, which I suppose I have no right to do. I can say whats true for me though. <br><br>Considering the depth of some peoples pain, I expect its not easy to do.<br><br>Blanc - considering what Ive been through, youre cute. Just know I dont take a thing you or DE say seriously at the moment. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/3/06 1:23 am<br></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

Life is a paradox, blaming yourself for your victim mentality isn't the same as blaming yourself for anothers actions.<br><br>Sure, recognise you may have contributed, by putting yourself in a situation or any number of other things.<br><br>And blaming someone else is not the same as giving someone else a (metaphorical) kick in the backside for indulging themselves by indulging in victim mentality behaviour.<br><br>Its about knowing what you can control and taking responsibility for it.<br><br>Tho I guess thats probably what you did, 4911, from the way you described your response to your actions.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> The difference is in their bitterness. I guess its not for everyone.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That seems like a spot on observation to me.<br><br>Funny how the bitterness although it is directed outward, is also directed inward, and forms a feedback loop sometimes.<br><br>Its like they are bitter at themselves for being victims, but are still to immature, or weakened by the trauma to turn the bitterness into anger into action.<br><br>So I see it as a way to get back ones power. Anger is about the ability to act, bitterness about the frustration of inaction IMO. Eventually you get sick of the bitterness and angry at yourself for indulging in it. Then its only a few steps through.<br><br>As PiL once sung (well JL) anyway: Anger is an energy. <p></p><i></i>