Visiting Entities

by **Project Willow** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:42 pm

Don't get me wrong, I am extremely grateful for all the work you've done Jeff, just need to share my thoughts on this topic again. Tell me, what is different about these transdimensional entities that they fall outside of the human religious impulse? It's easier to shift the focus away from humans, isn't it? It's easier to believe some of us can go that far if we're getting a little help from intruders. Isn't that impulse also a possibility? My questions are coming from this place: It's damn near impossible to gain acceptance of ritual abuse as it stands. The introduction of "visiting entities" into the mix makes it completely impossible.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:23 pm

"It's damn near impossible to gain acceptance of ritual abuse as it stands. The introduction of "visiting entities" into the mix makes it completely impossible. We can take it back another step, too, and say it's hard enough to gain acceptance of 9/11 complicity. Introducing ritual abuse to the mix - At least I heard that from some readers when I introduced SRA as a topic. And again, I knew what they meant: some topics are just too outside for most people to consider seriously. To gain acceptance of these controversial issues, perhaps the issues need to be dealt with piecemeal. But what I'm trying to do is understand their implications, and for me that means studying them in the context of each other. (And of course all I want to do is speak for myself; everyone needs to come to their own conclusions.) Certainly ritual abuse can be discussed coherently without introducing entities to the picture, and in fact I think it should be when introducing the topic. But for me, the issues increasingly appear to dovetail, and explain one another. Don't know if that's an answer, but I gave it a shot. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 6/14/05 3:24 pm

by **PeterofLoneTree** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:18 pm

Jeff wrote: "But what I'm trying to do is understand their implications, and for me that means studying them in the context of each other...But for me, the issues increasingly appear to dovetail, and explain one another. "Don't know if that's an answer, but I gave it a shot". It's an answer to me. e.g.: When I started researching "Gannon/Guckert" in Washington, I ended up "traveling" to places in Virginia, Nebraska, No. Dakoka, California, Florida, No. Carolina, Korea, etc. But oftentimes, I would catch myself in the middle of an article saying, "What am I doing here and how did I get here"? And that's when it gets interesting, seeing how seemingly unrelated "issues increasingly appear to dovetail".

by **biaothanatoi** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:49 pm

I'll add my voice to Willow's in saying that I think you are doing a great job ... but … my RI sense is tingling. I think the ‘meta-narrative’ that you are developing has lost its footing. You say that your issues are dovetailing, but you are dealing exclusively with connections between nexus points of ‘high weirdness’. What you are missing out on are the parallels between ‘high weirdness’ and the mundane, which are often much more significant. I’m a member of Whistleblowers Australia, which is a national network of groups around the country that support those of us who try to ‘blow the whistle’ on any form of corruption, fraud, etc. It’s incredible how similar our stories are – whether you are a lawyer, security guard or journalist, there is a direct and inverse relationship between the merit of your accusation, and the success of internal investigatory bodies/impartial observers/complaints processes/etc. When a conspiracy theorist sees governments covering up mistakes or corruption, they see the hand of the Illuminati tightening. The collective experiences of Whistleblowers suggests a more mundane answer - that the 'cover-up' is just a bunch of regular people, with a normal (read: flexible) sense of morality, covering their asses, like anyone else would. It doesn’t make them complicit in the crime, it means that they are aware of the status quo (as we all are) and they would like to keep their jobs. The more I find out, and the more people I meet, the more my ‘high weirdness’ becomes less weird. I’d suggest to you that, by focusing on ‘high weirdness’, your vision is narrowing. The issues are dovetailing because they are the only issues you have on the table. Try throwing some mundane stuff into your calculus – I think you’ll find the parallels are more universal, and thus more AND less significant, then you think.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:04 am

and most of all, I appreciate your activism as a whistleblower. You certainly see - and live with - a side of this I don't see. (The same goes for Willow, too, and others who post here.) You have experience with actual perps, and what you've witnessed is simply stupid, human atrocity. I don't dispute that, and I don't want to diminish the human dimension of the crimes. I don't like to use the word Illuminati, yet there does appear to be an organizing principal behind these occult crimes, and also a purpose. It doesn't end with the perps on the street and their crude motivation; it also has a higher reach, and I believe more esoteric meaning. Separately, I came to the conclusion that an occult accounting of the genuine UFO phenomenon is much more credible than the extraterrestial hypothesis. This then made the occult crimes of the National Security State both more understandable and terrible to me. I do try to throw mundane stuff into the mix. I know there's "Low Weird" as well as High, and that there's always a risk that theorizing can become alienated from the reality it's trying to describe. But the reality does encompass a number of onion layers.

by **slimmouse** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:07 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I’d suggest to you that, by focusing on ‘high weirdness’, your vision is narrowing. The issues are dovetailing because they are the only issues you have on the table. Try throwing some mundane stuff into your calculus – I think you’ll find the parallels are more universal, and thus more AND less significant, then you think.<hr></blockquote> If i might just relate my personal journey into all of this, it might offer some kind of perspective on this mundane/ low weirdness/ high weirdness discussion. 4 years ago, I would have considered anyone who went against the "western perception" of things - namely that Arabs arent the real terrorists, and that the West arent the good guys to be not just highly weird - possibly completely off their rocker ! However, having forced myself to examine such issues, ably assisted by friends who continued to point me in the right direction, I firstly come to the conclusion firstly that they have a point. Then I come to the conclusion, the more I read, and the more I think about what I read, that not only do they have a point, but the EVIDENCE points to the fact that they are absolutely right. This is by sound logical reasoning. Nothing more nothing less. This all began for me over the Israel/Palestine Issue. To begin with, in my eyes, this was all that was "wrong" with the western way. But of course from here a crack has appeared in my belief systems. The thinking process is now stimulated into action, based upon the logical assumption that if I have been so terribly and relatively easily decieved with regards to this, why not in other areas ? frustration at my own ignorance, and anger at those who have decieved me now fuels my curiousity This then progresses to the "war on terror" and the whole can of worms that was 9/11. My initial reaction was exactly the same - namely wishing a speedy recovery for those who didnt believe the "official version" from their imaginative or other similar mental disorder, before once again confronting the facts and the evidence to realise that once again I had been duped. This wasnt a nice time for me personally. As the whole thing gradually dawned on me, I couldnt actually sleep properly for a whole week. By exactly the same process, I now find myself firmly encamped in the "high weirdness" ( to most people ) that 9/11 was unquestionably something ( at least of an inside job). The same process of examining the evidence and making logical deductions. Temporary Insomnia, and complete initial shock to both the nervous system, and my very belief systems conquered, we move on. I then find myself directed to this web site, and thru the "my god they killed him link" get drawn into the entire web of even "higher weirdness" involving secret societies and all the rest of it. all by the same criteria etc. By now it starts getting really wierd, because im suddenly drawn into the area of ritual abuse, interdimensional occultism, and the satanic ritualism and all the rest of it. All by the same criteria. logical deduction based upon the evidence. But the most amazing and compelling thing about this entire journey for me, Is that I can see a clear thread connecting every stage of this process. I can make a tangible connection between each and every stage supported by facts, and logic. And the thing is the deeper you look, the more compelling the evidence becomes at EVERY single stage. So to suggest that by looking at those areas which might not particularly concern, or interest us, that someones vision might be narrowing is probably not the safest approach. Rather it is actually WIDENING, because certainly to my mind at least, it all fits within the bigger jigsaw, with each piece helping to make sense of the last one - And that includes all the serial ritual abuse with which people on this thread are personally familiar. I cant speak for everyone, but Im sure those who have suffered at the hands of these monsters and this monstrous system which houses and protects these people have a lot to thank this site for - if only in the sense, that through articulate presentation of arguments, supported by facts, people such as myself are now prepared to understand and accept what I would have hitherto considered "rubbish" - and to tell others of this at every reasonable opportunity. I hope that makes sense <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

by **Ferry Fey** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:12 pm

It's good to occasionally reflect on Hanlon's Razor (often attributed to Robert A. Heinlein) as a reality check: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." But it is also useful to understand that "religious" impulses or other ways of bringing outside entities into the conversation (and I mean outside the usual consensus reality) are sometimes not just a belief system but in fact are rooted in experience with such entities rather than philosophy. There are a lot of things that we "believe" but usually have no actual experience of -- Antarctica, pi, and the notion that okra could actually be a good-tasting food to some people. However, some of us pay attention to the magickal/occult/ufo connections precisely because we've had experiences in those areas that are as real as the strange mundane experiences some of you have had.

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