Ok, here's a wild eyed one for you

by **pugzleyca3** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:12 pm

What if: what we all think is happening to us right now is actually happening even more so to people like Bush, Poppy Cock and the other grown up Muppets. Trying to look from the outside in is hard. It's so hard that I can't seem to penetrate that and try to look from the inside out is almost out of the question. (conditioning of some type, perhaps?). Picture being in their inner sanctum. Wouldn't there have to be a lot of infighting and power struggles like we've never seen? I mean, they're playing the ultimate chess game, the world is their game board and we are the pawns. How cliche. It's easy to trash smaller people and put them out of business, etc. when they become a threat than it ever would be to try to put them out of business. Because we are not privvy to enough information to find their really weak spots. Anything evil that people speak up against becomes treasonous and you're branded a nutcase. Maybe they do draw power from ley lines and the equator and all the magnetic fields and sacred sites of the world. If so, then they are doing something hardly any of the rest of us would know to do. We have a "spark of life", whether you think it comes from God or the paddles the EMT holds. It's all electricity. What that means, I don't know.

by **slimmouse** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:45 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If so, then they are doing something hardly any of the rest of us would know to do.<hr></blockquote> Which is why you get teams of them going around continuously attempting to reverse the energy ! Icke and the like. But of course these guys are just Childish Idiots !! Just ask anyone who doesnt IMO have a full grasp of what is happening. I mean Even on this board , despite having seen with their very own open eyes and minds that the last God knows how many years of History is nothing but a lie, it seems a step too far for their vision of reality. Despite having seen the way these Evil bastards that run this Earth operate, via their Dark magick rituals, and key dates and times stuff, it would appear to be considered by some just silly boys playing silly games. Whatever. These bastards are poisoning our World. They are attempting to hold us all in the "here and now, grab it while you can mentality". They KNOW the score. Bring you down spiritually by any means possible, and surpress all knowledge of what they know. Give you that "resistance is futile" psyche, to quote another poster. What does Jeff say ; "What you dont know cant hurt them" ? I said it on a previous thread. Its time that more people got to know exactly what they know. The more the fucking merrier. They know where the fucking ley lines are on this planet. You know. This Earth - MOTHER earth, the virgin Mary in religious symbolism. The living breathing conscious organism.

by **pugzleyca3** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:05 pm

I've been listening to David Icke and have one of his books, Children of the Matrix, which I just got and haven't read yet. What I've heard so far sounds fantastic, but it also seems particularly relevant because of the factoring in of the DNA. I haven't discounted Icke's work, I don't know enough about it. I'm interested in what he has to say. Whether you read a hundred books or listen to a hundred tapes, if you can glean just one shining gem of truth out of all of them, it's worth the time spent.

by **slimmouse** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:17 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I've been listening to David Icke and have one of his books, Children of the Matrix, which I just got and haven't read yet.<hr></blockquote> Well, youve gone right it at the deep and most controversial end there with Ickes writing.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> The book does get rather stodgy in places too, with page after page of fact after fact and stuff - But persevere with it. I can promise you its worth it. 'Alice in Wonderland and the Twin towers' is his best IMO. But like I said, hang in there with C.O.T.M <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **pugzleyca3** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:24 pm

I also just got Behold a Pale Horse by William and Milton William Cooper. Have you read it? If so, how do you like it? I've been reading some of it. They guy seems like such a down to earth kind of person in the book so far. (seemed, I should say, since he's no longer with us)

by **slimmouse** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:32 pm

Sorry Pugzley, cant help you there. Dont have half as much time for reading these days. This forum keeps me more than busy too. Im just wandering thru the Celestine prophecy, which is kinda light, but refreshing reading for my ever inquisitive mind, and a welcome distraction from much of the heavy stuff on here. Perhaps someone else here can help though

by **marykmusic** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:34 pm

Whatever it takes. Read. Watch videos. Learn. Do it all with an open mind, for not everything will make sense to you. Be aware that there are disinfo agents whose books and videos are slick and believable, but of course any good lie starts with a grain of truth. I personally love David Icke; we have quite a few (but not all) of his books and some videos. My favorite is the 6-hour interview with Credo Mutwa, "The Reptilian Connection." He has some stuff about organized religion that will upset you if you're a church-goer... We also have several books by Alex Constantine, Peter Moon, with and without Preston Nichols, and I love the Pleiadian books by Barbara Marciniak and Barbara Hand Clow (and the latter also writes wonderful Astrology books. For how Astrology affects our politicians and nation, go to <a href="http://www.starlightnews.com" target="top">www.starlightnews.com</a> There is a tremendous amount of information out there. Don't be afraid to check it out, but don't get embarrassed if you don't agree with everything you find. It's NOT all good.

by **thumperton** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:45 pm

I thought it was already obvious that Bush was a puppet <img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/dunno.gif" style="border:0;"/>

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:26 am

You really think that these NWO people are powerful dark magicians ruling the world with their magical powers? Dark overlords of the Universe? (Like in Howard the Duck?) I mean, sure, they're a little Lovecraftian/post-thelemic for my taste. They've got all the little Thulian--SS propogandizing with spectacle going on. They don't like you, and they'd eat your children if they could. But ruling the world by channelling dark energies through LEY LINES? (if you really believe that then I would suggest you spend far LESS time in the New Age bookstore) IMHO, it is extremely unlikely that any of these people possess actual esoteric information beyond that which could be accessed by carefully "dowsing" through the occult section at B&N. It would make me feel a lot better to think that our world was being run by evil magicians who lord over the rest of us with their dark powers. I think the situation is far worse than that though. I think we've allowed stupid people to outmanuever us, because of our own apathy and bubbleheaded passivity to being fucked constantly. And honestly, I hope they are fucking with the magical base energies of the earth. It will serve them right then, we they get what they wish for. "They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind"

by **Emery** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:37 am

“ The difficulty has arisen when rational man, with all the realities properly organised, dissected and catalogued, discovered discrepancies by the score, His world was not bound by sight and sound, and feel, and yet because of training he is an environmentalist, he knows absolutely nothing of any other aspect of his world, not the psychical world, but his real world, so he reacts pretty much like his ancestors acted who also knew little about the life force, the life experience, the life urge –he created mental images whose purpose was to protect him, Modern man has also created images whose purpose was to protect him.. They are named ridicule, scorn, ignorance, materialistic stupidity and egocentric asininity.” ~Lauren Paine Witches in fact & fantasy.

by **pugzleyca3** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:09 am

"You really think that these NWO people are powerful dark magicians ruling the world with their magical powers?" Nope, I truly do not. But I believe they believe they are and in that is where the danger lies. Not only that, they have all the good guns and if we aren't careful, they'll soon be using our own armed forces against us. Look at the legislation that is being passed, they're doing so much crap politically, you WOULD have to be a magician to keep up with it all and organize and file it. Much less read it all. I believe the best explanation for it is that we are seeing pure politics at play and it ain't purty. If you can't look at a flower and be awed by it's perfection, you haven't lived. "And honestly, I hope they are fucking with the magical base energies of the earth. It will serve them right then, we they get what they wish for. "They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind" LOL! We could just banish them from the earth, when's that moon mission going to be ready? They can just pitch a tent in a crater somewhere in the Sea of Tranquility and when they run out of air...oh well... so the logistics aren't quite fine tuned.

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:38 am

I think I understood most of that. (Own armed forces against us? but doesn't "our own armed forces = us?) You might believe that these people are capable of wanting us all in concentration camps. I find it unlikely that anyone will easily convince our own armed forces to round up the dissidents. Despite rhetoric, this ISN'T 1940's Germany. They can barely keep office long enough now-a-day's to accomplish half of their goals. And I don't think you have to worry about the NEXT generation of "dark magicians". Bush's daughters can't even get away with buying alcohol. The apples keep falling farther from the tree here. (it would actually be a physical impossibility to keep up with the massive amount of information generated daily by our species. But that cuts both ways. Big Brother can't be watching you all the time, he has too many other things on his agenda) I am merely tired and disheartened by the reactionary fear and paranoia towards, admittedly, these evil shits. But I think you are giving them too much credit.

by **pugzleyca3** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:12 am

You know what, I thought I was giving them too much credit at one time, too. But what I got for thinking that way was watching them pass bill after bill. From the Patriot Act to the Real ID Act, the new bankruptcy bill, the way credit card companies are being allow to ruin a person financially if they miss a payment on any other debt, they can put the interest up to 29.99 percent. None of this could have happened without a compliant Congress. Every time these people make a major BLUNDER, they get more power and more money so they can "do better". This is not my imagination. And you need to take a look at the number of troops that are reportedly (not on CNN of course) not even U.S. Citizens over in Iraq. I believe it was something like 33 percent who were not "our own armed forces" as I stated above. Do you remember the multiple news reports that kept coming out about U.S. soldiers being given citizenship? I know I remember it. I don't know if you believe the last two elections were thrown or not. But I do believe it and it makes it even doubly difficult for me to excuse all the ineptness that keeps making so many people so damn much money. I wish I could screw up things in my own life and come out smelling as good as the gang of thugs we have running this country right now always seem to do. Right now, there's talk of needing more power for the feds in the event of another disaster. They don't need anymore power but they are grabbing it right out from under our noses. By making more rules for us to go by and less for corporations to go by. Facism can wear many faces and not all look like a Nazi. Nazi's were fascists and many other things combined. A fascist state does not necessarily have to look like Germany did. Besides, it has a creep to it. It's on you before you can even see its size. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pugzleyca3>pugzleyca3</A> at: 9/28/05 3:14 am

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:37 am

Well, I don't disagree with the thrust of your ideas. From my point of view, a lot of the legislation passed recently just makes it more visibly agreeable for them to do things to us that they've been doing for a long time and have been allowed to do for years. We didn't have any freedoms left WAAAY before Dubya began his attack run towards the Oval Orifice. My biggest problem is that I've seen dozens of sites where lots of mostly leftist people reiterate the exact same problems with the existing paradigm, but it doesn't seem that anyone wishes to DO anything about it. The very fact that you (I) are HERE discussing this means that you've already been relegated to the untouchable arena of "speculation". (last two elections thrown? Maybe, but I don't think the left in america is strong enough that this would be neccessary, nor is it disentangled enough from the right that it would even be worth the effort. As if John Kerry isn't just George Bush with better speechwriters) You say the Feds don't need any more power, but that they're grabbing it from under our noses. I agree with the first statement, but not the second, as I see them as contradictory. If they can already do whatever they want, what gain is achieved through legislation allowing greater military involvement in disasters? I mean, they can already arrest and hold you for an undisclosed amount of time at an undisclosed location for undisclosed crimes, what powers are you suggesting they DON'T have already that they are trying to get? I don't think the world is in a safe place right now, but I don't buy the doomsday scenario, post-apocalyptic dystopian fantasy world future. I don't think it would work, and I think the people with the REAL power, the owners of all governments, are well aware of this. I think they want you afraid of the imminent doomsday, no matter whose side you're on. And they have plenty of "true believers" on all sides that help them keep the tension high, always on edge. It keeps you (me) too focused on "manuevers" (which have much quantity effect, but no quality) instead of watching the magician. In effect, I believe that much of this conspiracy theorizing and politicizing is time wasting and counter-productive to the interests of the average person. To continue fighting this war on fascist right wingers using leftist platitudism ideaologies will only lead us farther into the Roach Motel. Essentially, I'm saying, we should not be playing by the rules, when its obvious that there are no referees. SO I should say then, yes, its all kinds of fucked up right now, but what do you want to do about it?

by **pugzleyca3** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:08 am

I am beginning to think one of the most effective tools that many people can use is getting resolutions passed against the Patriot Act. Even though they don't physically do anything, they make a strong statement to the goons. It's people standing together against their power and may be enough to make them pull back into their shell somewhat, if enough people are on this. I always thought there had to be probable cause and a judge to sign a warrant even in FISA courts, before the Patriot Act was made law. Now we've got the NSL's which are awesome in their powers. The power you describe, or most of it has become visible in this administration. And I hate to admit it, I voted for Bush the first time around. Buffoon that I was. And I can agree that there would have been nothing different had Kerry been elected. When he gave up the election so easily and quickly, it was then that I really knew. I had one of those WTF moments, when I stopped in front of the television and just listened. Still, the idea of cheating on top of cheating is not so appealing either, as it is in this case and probably has been for decades, if the real truth was known. Resolutions against the Patriot Act have been filed in hundreds of cities and I believe, 7 states so far. Its' something done on a local level. It's about as grass roots as you can get. I'm checking out what has to be done, I've never done anything like this and the ACLU has some information on how to do it.

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