Non-Human Evil, specifically

by **Homeless Halo** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:59 pm

I have started this in an effort to avoid disrupting ongoing threads. I've already seen them mentioned about two dozen times since I've been here, and I still don't know why everyone believes in them. By "them" I mean, evil non-human "directors" who control the human race by manipulating evil people into doing, well, I guess, evil things they couldn't have thought of on their own. Maybe abducting people and probing them and mutilating cattle, etc. Maybe a secret deal with the US Govt., one of the more common theories. What I'm asking is where is the evidence for these things? UFOs don't count as evidence, because they might be something entirely unrelated, Indeed, may be something man-made (the ones at Nevada look kinda rickety to me, personally)... Nor do abductions. People can abduct people and do whatever they want to them. I could abduct you while dressed in a Velociraptor suit, and probe you. Maybe I should, it sounds kinda kinky. What I want to know is: 1. If there are evil space aliens/demons/extradimensional occult entities/fairies/mutants/whatever, WHY haven't they already conquered us? Clearly any species capable of extrasolar travel (much less extradimensional) could easily own us already. 2. What do they gain? 3. How did evil (since evil doesn't exist, perhaps psychopathic) beings get so advanced in the first place? 4. Why would they work with other humans against us?/Why would humans work against us with them? 5. Where is the evidence of this? 6. Why do we need evil aliens to explain the actions of obviously evil men? 7. If they are so advanced beyond us, such that they can control our reality, then what interest do they have in us to begin with? This is related to number 2. Why conquer ants? 8. If they are low tech enough to still be able to gain something from us (meaning we are on the same playing field, overall), then why should I be afraid of them? There are more, and I'm sure we'll work it all out. This is not a "poke" or a joke. I'm just curious where this idea comes from, because I see it a lot, and I find it, no offense, a bit unreasonable for intelligent people to believe in. Like Santa Claus.

by **rapt** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:15 pm

I'll respond Homeless, because I have seeded this site with some references to non-human influences. I do believe what you consider to be unbelievable; that there are alien beings among us who have a long-term objective, perhaps to take the earth as a new home for themselves. It is a complicated subject and I don't claim to know the answers, but I wouldn't expect to know how the mind of an alien works. Let me throw a (perhaps lame) response to each of your questions. 1) Why haven't they already conquered us? We are a strong species. We are envied. We have many strengths, not the least of which is our empathy, a desire to nurture and help. 2) What do they gain? I can only speculate, but evidence shows that this alien species which is attemping to take over our world is very fragile. They have lost the ability to reproduce reliably, and are therefore interbreeding with humans in an effort to survive. 3) How did they get so advanced in the first place? God only knows the answer to that one. You have to know that these developments have been going on for a very long time, perhaps on a time scale that we as mortal earthlings cannot comprehend. 4) Why would humans work with them against (the rest of) us? It is obvious to me, Homeless, that many humans have been taken over, mostly by interbreeding (tell me where Karl Rove's dad came from/went to) or by other methods of mind control. A good example is Rumsfeld's outburst during the Armed Forces Committee hearings the other day. He is quite senior and is not so constrained as some of the others. One of the Senators asked a question, not even directed at Rummy, but he had to make the point that criminal elements have infiltrated our police forces, and that this is normal. (The question was, in light of admissions made by the staff, how can we allow "insurgents" to infiltrate the Iraqi army.) Rummy had to say it is NORMAL. Nobody asked him to say that. To HIM it is normal. Get it? Alien. 5) Where is the evidence? You can find plenty of evidence if you care to look. MSM is not going to lead you to it but it is there and not hard to find. 6) Why do we need evil aliens...obviously evil men? This was addressed in 4) briefly, which is all you'll get today. Men are only evil when they are influenced by...you can call it the devil if ya like. 7) If they are so advanced beyond us... Back to #1 on this one. This species may be old and they have some extraordianry powers, but they have serious weaknesses too, which they are perhaps desperate to compensate for with the help of a fresh and innocent humankind. Not in our best interest, to say the least. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Why should I be afraid? Not a very good question Homeless. You should refrain from flailing like this, lest you betray your fear that "intelligent" people may be forced to acknowlege that something is indeed up here. There is obviously a lot more to this subject, but I felt that if your questions were at least addressed one-by-one, that you would be forced by nothing more than courtesy to look a little deeper. It is important that you do so; I'm sure you don't like being scammed, whether by a pretender who would scare you with stories of aliens, or by a true alien who wants nothing less than your soul, to carry off and use for himself on his own planet. If the alien is like those I can observe here in our midst, he has no use for your soul but will steal it anyway, for spite if nothing else.

by **dbeach** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:34 pm

seeing is believing..as I said on the other thread. I have seen a UFO close maybe it was made in the USA or USSR..BUT I and my witness were very close ..15 feet away.. I have met these lil greys in what science calls dream paralysis..they have attempted to abduct me seevral times amd maybe more since I was kid. ITS TOO UNREAL!! Its much deeper cuz it goes back to the origens of Creation and who we are and who is the Creator..I have many beliefs on that subject..But the lil fiends or the larger dragos and /or the humanoids are our distant cousins.. I think its all gonna be one big land grab some.day I consider all of these extra or inner terrestrials to be unfriendlys even though Jollywood has done some real ET candy coating to make them look sugar sweet THEY AIN'T GETTING MY BOOGEY BOARDSA ND AIN'T GETTIN MY LIL SUBURBAN HOME NEAR THE OCEAN. Let em work for a living..really if they have been mutilating cattle and abducting humans..then they are criminals and so is the govt officials who enabled them like Eisenhawer. Xin Loi about their race of dying reptiles and their superior intelligence. Its more space balloney. Xin Loi means sorry about that in Vietnamese. I know its so tuff to believe this stuff BUT the universe is vast and endless..so all is possible even that which appears impossible

by **rapt** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:05 am

Yeh d'beach - you da man.

by **Sepka** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:15 am

Why would one assume outright conquest to be the goal of an evil entity? Evil, like Good, requires free will of its adherents. People forced to do evil deeds are victims. People seduced into evil deeds are minions. -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **dbeach** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:22 am

<a href="http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/">www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/</a> check out this site I only been there once before BUt its loaded with loaded info. It make sense to me that these scumbags from star drago or star sirus are hangin with scumbags from planet earth scumbags of a feather scum togheter don't eevn get me going on that Sictckin character. he reads the sumarian tablets and has the whole game figured out .Annuki from beyond time created humanity in a test tube..GIMME ME ONE LARGE BREAK SIL VOUS PLAIT. Ya gotta do the reaserch on this debate and then find folks who are believable..Last wk someone here posted about the annual UFO conference .the speaker saw dancing lights in the sky and he calls that UFOs. Please I am gettin a head ache..I could knocked on their lil old silver door if I stood on my car and jumped [would a been one high jump} BUT we all gotta solve this puzzle and its all threaded together..govt, religion ,politics, corruption ,,us ,aliens ,lies and truths and heaven ,hell and all are connected by tiny threads of matter invisible to the most advanced microscope but many are starting to see the inner conectedness of all of Creation

by **SerenityNow7** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:58 am

Homeless Hero, I would like to add to your query as well. Could someone give us one bit of evidence, the piece among all that you have read and seen, that is the most convincing for the presence of these aliens with an evil agenda controlling our government? Not just aliens, but evil agenda political aliens.

by **dbeach** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:51 am

<a href="http://elijah2.com/moses2.htm">elijah2.com/moses2.htm</a> i DON'T AGREE WITH all this godess stuff but lots of the male ego runign wild is aprt of our problem this article criques David Icke Icke is outing the entire alien/elite stradegy Also suggest you read Universal Seduction 3 books. IT WILL KNOCK YA OUT..HEAVY DUTY with alien bases and the pedophile pols including poppy o bush Branton is Alan walton and has survived alien abdcution . He is expsoing lots of injustice in the USA.. he has many fascinating sites..I will get ya his home site

by **dbeach** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:56 am

<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/">www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/</a> read up on branton..seems like a sincere guy to me. lil fiends come in my home and get their butts kicked I am not afraid of these lil creeps . greys is what they are called..Cast them out by using the name of Jesus Christ or any God you love or any positive force .but they are combative..prayers and mediatation really hutrs them and trying to remainpositive ..not easy given the crisis nature of the USA

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:08 am

As a bible believer, I find that 'aliens' fit in perfectly with the demonic world, or the Nephilim.

by **Homeless Halo** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:46 am

As a non-bible believer, I believe religious people are prepared to fall for any sort of nonsense. Believe on faith if you like, I choose not to. First off, I've read Icke, and to me he seems slightly less credible as an "expert" on anything than say, Monica Lewinsky. David Icke is either a paranoid schizophrenic, at best, or a disinformation agent, at worst. I've read loads of books on this subject, so don't give me any of that "do research" BULLSHIT. That is an excuse for YOU believing in something you have no evidence for. I used to hear that line in church all the time. I've done the research, and the shit has no evidence that I've seen. Eyewitness testimony cannot count. It is remarkably prone to inserted belief and outright fabrication. I don't care if you see Greys/Reptoids every night. I'd like to see one, once, when I wasn't asleep. If they attack you every night, I'd like to hide at your house and trank one the little fucks, so I could experiment on him. More questions: What evidence shows they need our planet/bodies? Where is this evidence? Icke book? How does an interstellar race "lose" the ability to reproduce? How does any species "lose" the ability to reproduce? Sounds like bad science to me. Karl Rove is an alien? Oh c'mon. You really believe that? I think your wishful thinking wants you to believe that humans aren't capable of this much evil on their own. They are, I'm more evil than any of these people, and I don't have an alliance with "reptoids" or whatever. I like how you say that the evidence is there and easy to find, but yet you cannot produce any. Which is odd, if it so readily available, isn't it? Men are only evil when influenced to be evil by an outsider? How naive. An interstellar race could simply MAKE new bodies and/or a new world for themselves. Such things are not even beyond our current abilities, so why should Aliens more advanced than us be crippled in this department? That doesn't make any sense, you realize that right? As for my question about fear, I'm referring to simple linear standard military equations. That is, if we have resources they require, then they are on our level. They can't be both unimaginably more advanced than us and capable of gaining benefit from conflict with us. The math doesn't work. (and the Sumerian annukaki variants were defeated several times in Sumerian accounts of "history"--with sticks and rocks mostly--so if these are the "evil" reptoids, don't be afraid, we have worse things than rocks now) And if they've been here since the dawn of creation, you have further proven my point that they should have conquered us by now. Why wait until we get stronger? Why couldn't they beat the Sumerians/Celts? Are all of the aliens "evil"? If so, how is it that they have managed to become so advanced while dealing with the kind of inbred genetic psychopathy associated with our "evil" people? How do Reptilians benefit from children being raped or me paying higher taxes? Why are they mostly associated with Conservatives? (I have an answer for this: they aren't real, like most things associated with conservatives) Why do Aliens have a political agenda which easily translates into those of people? Where are they right now? How does shapeshifting work? (As a student of the nervous system, I could explain several problems with the plausibility of this commonly held belief if you'd like) The "Alien" bases, like Dulce right? I also find it hard to believe that these aliens are afraid of prayers to Jesus. If Sumerian cosmology is right, these guys MADE Jesus, and Jesus was of their line and educated in their religion(Melchizadek boat cult/star cult), so why should they be scared of him? You just take these people at their word that they've been "abducted" by aliens, when the razor would indicate that if they've been abducted at all, it was by people(who abduct people all the time btw). You have some dreams about "Greys" who are famous now, cause they're on TV every twenty minutes, read three or four books by disinfo agents and that counts as evidence? Sorry, try again.

by **GDN01** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:40 am

HH - you ask people to give you their views on a subject you already seem pretty well decided on. You know full well there is little to no evidence, at least that you will accept, to prove there are evil aliens. Are you just wanting to argue? Are you just wanting to insult people? So some people believe Icke has a piece of the puzzle. Others have a gut feeling, based on life experience. The universe is a huge mystery - there are endless possibilities out there. What if human life originated from an alien source? Don't we try to create all kinds of things in laboratories? You know the answers to the questions you have posed are all based on speculation. There are many theories out there. There is no proof. So why invite people into a dialogue and then dismiss everything they have to say? If you really want to learn about people's ideas on this subject, want to open your mind to other possibilities than what you already are convinced of, then listen. If you only want to shoot down every idea presented - that is not in the spirit of this "discussion" board.

by **Homeless Halo** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:03 am

Yes, I already have an opinion on this subject. As do you, and the others who responded. What I am interested in is why, when I agree with them on many other things discussed here, do we clearly disagree about this? I want to know why people believe this stuff. Because I admit its entirely possible that someone has evidence that is compelling enough to convince an intelligent person. I haven't found it yet. It isn't personal, my lack of belief in evil political space aliens. I started this topic to avoid arguing about it elsewhere, in an attempt to be more polite. I have every intention of shooting down arguments based entirely on speculation. If something is true, there should be more than speculation to demonstrate its validity. If evil space aliens are more like religious belief than say, for example, that 9/11 was an inside Job, or that UFOs are SOMETHING, there should be some sort of evidence. I want to know why I should accept them as being real. I have to hear about them constantly. Mentioned, in places like this, as if they have a certain quantifiable existence, like COINTELPRO or the Skull and Bones. I want to know why they enjoy this extreme lack of skepticism here. I'm curious as to why YOU take all of this at face value. Curious as to why I am presented with platitudes (i.e. the universe is big/weird, etc) as opposed to facts. Most of the other conspiracy theories I read about are based on FACTS. Why should this one be any different? Why should I assume a position of passive non-involvement with any topic I disagree with? I should simply let people say what they think and never question what they say? Just believe everything? I don't understand what you're saying. It sounds a bit wishy washy touchy feely to me. Yeah, all people have freedom to their opinions. I'm more interested in the WHY. Why do these people believe these things? Is it all like religious faith? Based on personal experience? Or does it have hard facts somewhere beneath the mire and muck? I really want to know, but I am annoyed with people who answer my request for information on a topic with "well, do some research". Sorry, but that really is not an answer. I thought this board was about "truth" or something. Sorry if my skepticism gets in the way of your handjobs, but I don't accept it just because it came from a club member. I don't know any of you people, and I see no reason to give you special privileges to mold my belief system. I hold you to the same standards as everyone else. Which, btw, I thought was the point of all this. I believe that there are several philosophical problems with the theories involving alien interlopers and a remarkable lack of evidence regarding them. I came to discuss this here, because it isn't discussed elsewhere. Perhaps I was wrong, and the Dogma here is just the opposite of the Dogma everywhere else. I do not think this is so, mind you, but I don't feel I should be attacked for questioning your fellows' belief systems. Please note, if my tone is offensive, to anyone, it is not intended that way. I tend to be insensetive sometimes, so please do not take me overly seriously. I really am just interested in this idea and am hoping to dig deeper into it. My questions remain.

by **dbeach** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:25 am

I've read loads of books on this subject, so don't give me any of that "do research" BULLSHIT. That is an excuse for YOU believing in something you have no evidence for. I used to hear that line in church all the time. I've done the research, and the shit has no evidence that I've seen." Bro I thought youw wanted some honest opinion BUT instead you slam me for sincerity.. THANX for nothing and I do mean nothing. insults cuz there is no proof seem to be more about you than me. Give you proof . You have a problem with Christians?? Do you know anybody who does not? Dont bother responding to me with more insults to my intelligence levels..I feel really ambushed by you and your tired old arguements that this is all lies. This is a speculation forum and NOT a fact finding tour Go look in the mirror You want to a member of this forum then maybe you shoud lighten .Theres no proof for you . and you lavk proof that this stuf does not exist . PLEASE LIghten uo..you seem like a nice guy

by **glubglubglub** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:23 am

no help on the evidence they're here, sorry on that, but as for their motivations: going back further in time, you think any sentient cochineal bugs would've believed they were being farmed by enormous beasts in order to make red dyes? The work I do brushes up on the problems of hard AI, and I'm inclined to think that it's going to wind up being easier to make servile, semi-sentient half-man-half-chimps, say, than it's going to be to ever make servile, semi-sentient robots...this is somewhat tangential, but perhaps the point is clear enough to leave in.

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