Egypt prepares new probe of pyramid mystery

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:42 pm

<img src="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051010/051010_pyramidrobot_hmed.hmedium.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Egypt prepares new probe of pyramid mystery Oct. 10, 2005 CAIRO - Egypt will send a robot up narrow shafts in the Great Pyramid to try to solve one of the mysteries of the 4,500-year-old pharaonic mausoleum, Egypt's top archaeologist said on Monday. Zahi Hawass told Reuters he would this week inspect a robot designed to climb the two narrow shafts which might lead to an undiscovered burial chamber in the pyramid of Cheops at Giza, on the outskirts of Cairo. Hawass said the shafts and stone panels which block them could mark the location of the burial chamber of Cheops, also known as Khufu. That would mean none of the chambers already discovered in the pyramid were the pharaoh's real tomb. The shafts were last probed in September 2002, when a robot drilled a hole through one of the stone panels to reveal a small empty space at the end of which lay another panel, which appeared cracked and fragile. ... The two shafts, which rise from an unfinished chamber in the pyramid, have puzzled archaeologists since they were first discovered in 1872. Some Egyptologists had said the shafts, which measure 20 cm by 20 cm (eight by eight inches) were built as vents. Others said they were passages for the king's soul to ascend to the afterlife. "I hope that we will do this work and in a few months from now we will really know what's behind them," Hawass said. <a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9653322/" target="top">msnbc.msn.com/id/9653322/</a> This is a probe behind "Gatenbrink's Door" <img src="http://www.cheops.org/startpage/thefindings/thelowersouthshaft/uso.JPG" style="border:0;"/> Some excellent views of the shaft <a href="http://www.cheops.org/startpage/thefindings/thelowersouthshaft/lowersouth.htm" target="top">here</a>.

by **Dreams End** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:53 pm

I watched the first probe. It came to a dead end (though maybe those are "handles"?) It was exciting, but a let down. Hope this one gets further!

by **slimmouse** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:04 pm

Im sat here in stitches, looking at a saw that was supposedly used to create some of the cutting grooves. Im wondering how these guys did that which we cannot replicate today with all our technology, with, among other things, a glorified hacksaw ? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> A Good friend of mine was in one of the temples a while back, which shows the origins of ALL the entire religious movements in pictures. Shortly after this visit, the Egyptian Govnt declared the temple unsafe, after they discovered a hairline 4 inch crack in one of the ceilings <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Nothing to see here peeps. PS I love the dating of the thing too <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

by **antiaristo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:15 pm

There is just no enthusiasm for this knowledge, is there? This is really not difficult these days. They send robot/cameras everywhere. I wonder what Lambert discovered on his seismic surveys?

by **glubglubglub** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm

anti: $20 (or 20 quid or 20 euro) has it that the pyramid's got an enormous basement -- ie, it just keeps going down and down into the rock it's ultimately resting on. I can dig up supporting takes at some point, but that's what I've been led to believe is underneath all that.

by **slimmouse** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:29 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I wonder what Lambert discovered on his seismic surveys?<hr></blockquote> Ive got the distinct feeling that everything comes to those who wait. And I can just 'sense' that the waiting is nearly over <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> I actually cant wait myself !

by **nashvillebrook** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:45 pm

he comes off as the quintessential assman. the nightmare boss who abuses his vendors and entertains clients at strip joints. the neighbor who steals your paper and walks his dog in your border garden. the club owner who skins the band. a person who gives off such vibes in charge of the world's greatest secret is like something out a Carl Hiaason romp.

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:45 pm

<a href="http://www.atlantisrising.com/">www.atlantisrising.com/</a> "Forbiden History" by Doug Kenyon covers lots of the Egypt secrets and shows how the main Egyptologists are holding back info to maintain their control on the secrets of the ancients

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:13 pm

Damn thing has a lot more than a basement. All we can see is the "attic". It probably looks like the damned Washington monument if you dug away enough sand...

by **slimmouse** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:42 am

I can remember a while back, perusing over some "official" figures of US aid to the Middle East. Israel was officially the biggest reciever of aid. Of course, theres official figures, and unnofficial ones ( such as Loans, which never appear repayable). But, most surprising to me at that time, was the fact that Egypt officially ran Israel a very close second in terms of aid recieved. I can also remember asking at that time "why Egypt?" Today, Im prepared, in my own mind at least, to do less asking and more speculating.

by **proldic** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:55 am

(light bulb emoticon)

by **israelirealities** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:01 am

On a mundane level, Egypt is still the Mid East "superpower" and one of the first to accept US dictates, so it makes sense that it receives a lot of a money. Egypt is still the key to stability in the region. Iran is the other power, but 1/it is not Arab (only Moslem) so it will never be considered a leader of the region) and 2/ indeed Iran received more money during the Shah, but the US was kicked out and the revolution broke out, which made Egypt even more important. Once the US decided to take over the ME, the state departmnet probably made a long term plan- they co opted Egypt and Jordan to stabilize the region around the ISraeli issue. Then they had the "bad regimes" Syria and IRaq. Iraq is now gone and syria next. Iran was a failure, so they will have to wait for the last stages when they totally isolated it, to subjugate the ayatollahs. Pakistan appears to have been in bed with ISrael secretely anyway, and now with disaster they are not so important. ...this how the USA completes the take over. When they are finished with it, namely, Iran, and the Palestinian state is under way...what then ? I think this is when its going to be the time to go after the Jews..and bring christianity to Jerusalem. Brilliant ! Can anyone arrange for a greencard ?

by **proldic** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:10 am

Egypt: The Elephant in the Living Room of the Gaza 'Disengagement' - Part I by Jared Israel Reporting on the so-called Disengagement Plan, the media has focused almost exclusively on the eviction of Jewish residents in Gaza and four West Bank settlements. The same is true, for the most part, of opponents of the plan. But this disregards a key point: as part of the Israeli retreat, the Egyptian military will regain control of the Gaza-Egypt border. Some have argued that this major Israeli concession will encourage the Egyptians to crack down on gangs that smuggle weapons from the Sinai desert to terrorist groups in Gaza, thus improving Israeli security. Others have argued that it is absurd to expect the Egyptians, who have permitted - or encouraged - weapons smuggling for years, to stop it when they are in control, and that with Egypt instead of Israel in charge of security, Gaza will become a far more dangerous bastion of terrorism. As we shall see, the evidence supports the latter view. Indeed, combined with the eviction of Jewish settlers from Gaza, the transfer of border control from Israel to Egypt may produce worse results than critics have argued. This is because both the Disengagement Plan and the Egyptian border takeover contradict key clauses and language in previous agreements between Israel, on one side, and Egypt and the Palestinian Authority, on the other. These clauses and language not only directly hinder an Egyptian military buildup in the Sinai, but give Israel the right to defend the Gaza-Sinai border as part of the defense of Israel. The Disengagement Plan and border takeover put Egypt and the so-called international community in the position of being able to argue that Israel has surrendered, de facto, this crucial right. This could lead to one or more of the following scenarios, jeopardizing Israel's very existence: 1) The creation of an Egyptian military protectorate in Gaza, with provocations leading to... 2) A serious military confrontation with Egypt, which may in turn lead to... 3) The introduction of NATO or similar peacekeepers, meaning a further surrender of Israeli sovereignty, and/or military confrontation between Israel and NATO. A Minor Issue? The recent mass eviction of Jews from Gaza and four West Bank settlements is very important...it means the acceptance of the idea that Gaza, and by extension, also the entire West Bank, are by right "Palestinian" Arab territories... However, the media - and even opponents of Disengagement - have missed or deliberately disregarded another aspect of the plan: the return of the Egyptian military, by Israeli invitation, to Gaza. Last night, the Knesset voted, by a margin of 53 to 28, to accept a deal, apparently set up by the US, between the Egyptian and Israeli governments, which gives Egypt security control of the Gaza-Egypt border. [1] In the Knesset vote, it was not only Arab and "Left" MKs who voted for the deal. Enough Likud members also voted for it to give the measure an almost 2/3 majority. Even a few anti-Disengagement MKs voted 'yes.' Israel National News reported: "Several MKs who strongly opposed the withdrawal from Gaza voted in favor of the agreement today. Minister Yisrael Katz and Knesset Speaker Ruby Rivlin both say that there is no point in keeping Israeli soldiers in the area, in between Egyptian and Palestinian Authority forces, now that there is no Jewish civilian presence there." [2] This sentiment trivializes the significance of Egypt's Gaza border takeover. The takeover has been justified on the grounds that Egypt will supposedly combat weapons smuggling. For years, the Egypt-Gaza border has been the site of a huge smuggling operation, using tunnels running from the Egyptian side of the border into Gaza, mainly in the town of Rafah. To combat weapons smuggling, Israel stationed troops in the "Philadelphi Corridor," a narrow security road running between Gaza and Egypt. Using sophisticated monitoring devices, Israeli troops searched for and destroyed the tunnels... According to the IDF, the Gaza weapons smuggling poses a deadly threat to all parts of Israel. According to the New York Post, the Israeli government admits the threat will get worse following its eviction of Jews from Gaza. How does the Sharon government claim it will combat the worsened threat? "Fearing that abandoning Jewish settlements in Gaza will help foment a new terror state there, Israel is seeking Egyptian assistance by agreeing to let its former adversary deploy forces along Gaza's border with the Sinai Peninsula." [1] According to the Post: "Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon hopes the Egyptians can help stem the flow of weaponry into the Palestinian-controlled territory." [1] There is no doubt that, if they had the desire, the Egyptians "[could] help stem" the flow of rockets and other weapons to terrorist groups in Gaza. But do they have the desire? We have a direct answer from Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. On June 20, 2005, Mubarak was interviewed on Israel's Channel 2. Here is a report posted on the website of the official Saudi newspaper, Arab News: [Excerpt from Arab News starts here] "Asked on [sic!] Egypt's role in the planned Israeli withdrawal from Gaza and whether it will try to prevent weapons smuggling through tunnels under Rafah, President Mubarak said the Israelis themselves cannot prevent weapons smuggling as they currently patrol the Philadelphia [sic!] route. "The President said that Egyptian police are frequently searching for illegal weapons in Sinai and trying their best to foil any attempt to smuggle weapons into Israel. "But Mubarak said that no country in the world, including the United States and Russia, can completely seal off its borders to prevent smuggling as there would be definitely some porous areas." [2] [Excerpt from Arab News ends here] Even though he was speaking on Israeli TV in June, before the Knesset had approved the Egyptian takeover, Mubarak made no effort to convince viewers that Egypt is sincere about stopping the smuggling. Instead, he went out of his way to say that Egypt will not stop the smuggling. He did so using black humor, comparing the approximately fourteen kilometers of border along which weapons are smuggled into Gaza to the Russian and US borders, which are thousands of kilometers long. Thus, he ridiculed the Israeli government's "hopes [that] the Egyptians can help stem the flow of weaponry into the Palestinian-controlled territory." (1) President Mubarak's promise, made on Israeli Television, that after Egypt takes over, "there would be definitely some porous areas" in the border, was an obvious invitation to terrorists. Mubarak told Channel 2 that Egyptian forces were already "trying their best" to stop the smuggling. Again, this was black humor. According to the Jerusalem Post, here is what General Moshe Ya'alon, former IDF Chief of Staff, said about Egypt's "best": [Excerpt from Jerusalem Post starts here] "Speaking to a small group of reporters in his Tel Aviv headquarters in a closed-door meeting, Ya'alon blasted the Egyptians for allowing the Palestinians to continue smuggling arms from Sinai into Gaza despite Israeli protests. "According to a summary of his comments, leaked by a person present in the meeting, Ya'alon charged that if the Egyptians wanted the Palestinians to have Katyusha rockets capable of hitting Ashkelon, they would facilitate that as well. "Ya'alon added that Egypt knew exactly which arms were being smuggled, and could halt the smuggling of rocket- propelled grenades into Gaza. "His scathing comments came as top Defense Ministry officials are trying to stabilize meetings with Egyptian security counterparts to coordinate the disengagement from the Gaza Strip. These talks are being headed by Maj.-Gen. (ret.) Amos Gilad, head of the ministry's political bureau. "According to defense sources, Gilad is seeking an agreement by which Egypt and the Palestinian Authority will secure its end of the Philadelphi corridor, the narrow border separating Sinai from the Gaza Strip where Palestinians are digging tunnels to facilitate arms smuggling. "According to reports, talks held in Egypt last week resulted in an Israeli agreement to allow more experienced Egyptian troops into the border area, instead of Egyptian Border Police. This would be a modification to the peace treaty between the two countries, which aimed at distancing the Egyptian and Israeli forces." [3] [Excerpt from Jerusalem Post ends here] So: a) if there is rampant weapons smuggling on the Sinai-Gaza border, as Mubarak admits and b) if this weapons smuggling is a deadly threat, as the IDF has documented, and c) if Egypt has knowingly allowed the smuggling, if not actually organizing it, and d) if Egyptian President Mubarak openly mocks the idea of Egypt stemming the flow of weapons after the Egyptian takeover, and e) if, as the New York Post reports, the Israeli government admits that the so-called disengagement will "help foment a new terror state" in Gaza, then... How can giving Egypt control of the Egypt-Gaza border possibly prevent the creation of said terrorist state? Won't it instead guarantee the creation of said state? But the Egyptian takeover involves even greater dangers, as we shall see in Part II. Footnotes and Further Reading ======================================================== [1]"Ariel Asks Egypt For Gaza Help", the New York Post, August 5, 2005 Friday, All Editions; Pg. 5, 349 words, Uri Dan [2] "Mubarak: Gaza withdrawal should be followed by further pullouts" Egypt-Israel, Politics, 6/21/2005 <a href="http://tinyurl.com/a6zz6">tinyurl.com/a6zz6</a> [3] "Ya'alon slams Egypt for role in smuggling", the Jerusalem Post, August 25, 2004, Wednesday, News; Pg. 1, 494 words, Arieh O'Sullivan [ www.tenc.net ]

by **slimmouse** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:44 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>(light bulb emoticon)<hr></blockquote> You might wish to redact that light bulb emoticon in one sense proldic. Heres why - Whilst I can understand the divide and conquer nature of the aid to modern Egypt, and possibly how the end game might work with regard to Israel for Israelis at least - having outlived their usefulness to their masters - The Rothschilds included of course. I dont need to offer any further proof of the accuracy of that statement, beyond asking people to contemplate the factual reality of 60 years of their "promised land" to the average Israeli. I was however actually thinking more specifically in terms of the nature of the secrets contained within and around Egypt itself - and who benefits from any of this knowledge NOT reaching the public Domain. Its all well and good for people to claim that all of this Egypt stuff is hokus pokus, or "so what if the Eye of Ra is sat on top of a pyramid on the back of a dollar bill" etc, but I instinctively KNOW that there is much more to this than meets the eye if youll pardon the pun. I mentioned in an earlier thread the origins of ALL modern religions painted on an "unsafe" temple wall. I wonder who benefits from keeping the history of that scam under wraps for instance ? Look at the hacksaw for typical complete nonsense regarding how the great pyramids were constructed for instance - and for more clues as to how the REAL story of their construction is being cloaked. I heard a story about how some Japanese team attempted to replicate the Giza construction, and abandoned ship so to speak after about 3 blocks lol. This whole Egypts issue IMO makes the 9/11 and WMDs lies pale into relative insignificance.

by **slimmouse** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:05 pm

Have a look at the pic half way down this page, and then go and cut that with a big hacksaw ! Sorry, had to edit - seems I cant access the page directly. Seems you need to go "The mystery" link at the bottom, and access the page called the puzzle, and the pic im referring to is half way down there. Link to the link ; <a href="http://www.cheops.org/startpage/thefindings/theuppernorthshaft/uppernorth.htm">www.cheops.org/startpage/...rnorth.htm</a> I wont even mention putting the shape together ! Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 10/13/05 10:15 am

Egypt prepares new probe of pyramid mystery

Egypt prepares new probe of pyramid mystery

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Re: Gotta love the "official" explanations.

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a huge, cavernous basement area is my guess

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anyone ever Zahi Hawass on video?

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more than a basement

Re: US aid to Egypt.

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Egypt: The Elephant in the Living Room

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