Old Crow and DMT

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:32 pm

From your friendly neighborhood Thelemite. Lots of stuff in Jeff's Blog about Crowley's Arcana, i.e. the Sex Magick, and recently I had a thread attempting to disseminate discussion of 'third veil' Thelemic teachings. A friend of mine recently brought to my attention an online article by a fairly well known "soft-Thelemite" (ST= occultist relying mostly on Thelema, but who is versed in outside sources and studies "thelemites" as much as thelema). I thought I'd post it. Its free to download, may take a few minutes for a slower connection. The article is in the newsletter Sub Rosa by the dailygrail people. It's on pp22 of the NewsLetter (Issue 2) <a href="http://subrosa.dailygrail.com/download.html">subrosa.dailygrail.com/download.html</a> I don't buy all the stuff that dailygrail sells, but it has loads of neat Fortean links all the time, and is one of the best places for "bloodlines" updates etc. <a href="http://www.dailygrail.com/">www.dailygrail.com/</a> The article is called "Crowley, DMT, and Magic" and its written by Blair Mackenzie Blake, who among other things has his own projects, poetry, and is known for writing the newsletter for the band TOOL (themselves apparently soft-Thelemites, as they use Crow's Star of Babalon in the stage show). I think Blair's stuff, is sometimes "deep" for the outsider, but for people who study the occult, this is probably the best primer towards a modern "non-sanctioned" (it violates our law to BE sanctioned)Thelemite's course of study. (There is lots more to this stuff, and I know from experience that Mr Blake will usually respond to emails that get his attention) Happy Hunting. Love is the Law, SHCR

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:57 pm

I never got anything more out of DMT than a gaping glimpse of my own "assembly code", personally. Funny with super-psychedelic visionary experiences- the more all-encompassing they are, the less volition I have...I feel bigger and more comprehesively interrelated than the galaxies, yet I'm too dumbstruck by the phenomenon to do so much as scratch my ear, or even notice whether it itches...there really isn't an "I" left, in terms of my general apprehension of my identity, even in terms of body image. I never got much of anything of lasting value out of DMT. As an experience, it feels more like a particularly bizarre frat prank than anything particularly profound. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/21/05 7:51 pm

by **thumperton** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:01 pm

so you're freely admitting you're a satanist? <img src="http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/hsugh.gif" style="border:0;"/>

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:03 pm

I hope you aren't talking to me. I've self-identified as a self-styled Christian several times, and don't feel it necessary to belabor the point unnecessarily. Yeah, I'm a "self-styled" one. That's what Presbytery is all about. Ironically, I found that out long after my aplying that self-description to myself. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/21/05 6:06 pm

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:14 pm

I've been reading <a href="http://www.rickstrassman.com/" target="top">Rick Strassman's</a> DMT: the Spirit Molecule this week, and I've meant to write something more about the congruence of some of its attributes with the experience of the High Weird, but I've got no further than photoshopping some mantids. Thanks for the link, I'll be interested to read that.

by **antiaristo** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:20 pm

Robert, I did it once, ten years ago. Love to do it more. It was amazing, but everything was normal. I got into a conversation with a regular at the Bluebird Cafe in Amsterdam. He told me so much about occult powers. I'd never thought about that much in relation to my own difficulties, but it shaped my direction and has turned out to be accurate. I saw him again a few months later when I was NOT under that particular influence, and he had nothing to say. It was most disappointing, he was a different man. Which brings to mind the Mark Twain remark about his father.

by **thumperton** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:32 pm

sorry, I meant homeless halo

by **bamabecky** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:50 pm

But I too chicken to to click on any of those links. I'm not a satanist that for sure. But I really don't know what I am. I have been a Christian most of my life....well all of it actually till I started reading David Icke and started wondering..... I would like to know more about the powers, but not for personal use.....just to try and understand what the appeal is.....seems that HH is calling himself thelema....seems that he would say he is a satanist if he was? I'm too dumb to know the difference. Bama Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.

by **Homeless Halo** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:11 pm

Satanist? What, pray tell, gives you this inane notion? Been reading supermarket tabloids again? You'll have to explain yourself. I think I've been over this one before. I do not believe in Satan. Therefore, it would be difficult for me to be a Satanist. Normally, the two go together. Except for the LaVeyans. Where did I say I was a Satanist?

by **professorpan** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:36 am

Oh, Lord, can we safely assume that calling someone a Satanist (tm) is a one-way ticket to the Fire Pit? I hope so. Re: tryptamines. The Strassman book is excellent -- glad to hear you're reading it, Jeff. I love the Alex Grey cover -- he's clearly been to the "dome." Another interesting tryptamine is melatonin. It's not as mind-flippingly bizarre and ontologically shattering as DMT, but it has the benefit of being legal and available at almost any pharmacy or health food store. A majority of people who take it notice their dreams becoming more vivid and intense. I personally experienced a bizarre sleep paralysis incident while taking melatonin, which I've posted. I awoke with a six-fingered handprint on my chest. Definitely one of the oddest experiences I've ever had, and one that still baffles me. Some tryptamines (DMT and melatonin notably) appear to work as chemical keys. Experiencers describe encounters with entities and of being transported to other places. Melatonin is produced in the pineal gland, the so-called "third eye." When melatonin first became available, it was sold in dosages as high as 9mg. Now, the consensus is that microgram levels are more appropriate. The dream intensification seems to occur at 3mg. or higher.

by **professorpan** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:41 am

By the way, thanks for the pointer to that article, Homeless.

by **robertdreed** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:24 am

Melatonin helps produce serotonin, which helps switch on human growth hormone, for cell repair and renewal during sleep. One key to maximizing natural production of melatonin is achieving as close to total darkness as possible during sleep. That means that if you fall asleep with the lights on, you're a lot better off if you get up as soon as possible to switch the lights off before dozing off again. Try it and see if it doesn't help. The next two hours of sleep will feel like honest rest- more refreshing than 4-6 hours of dozing with the lights on. Something about total darkness and theta sleep waves...

by **Homeless Halo** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:27 pm

The 3V chemistry is fascinating, but not the only application of this way of thinking. I posted in mostly to show the thinking of modern non commissioned Thelemites. Blair also happens to be fairly well known via the TOOL newsletters. He has always seemed to me to be fairly straightforward in his intentions, and more importantly, lacking in belief. I always found that Salvia Divinorum, in high concentrated doses can be far more potent than DMT. ITs context in the article referred to is more interesting because Crow never got the chance to try DMT. Poor bastard. SD comes in an extract form called "Lucid Dragon". Taking peak dose (by bodyweight) induces OBE. What's more, is that this drug, unlike many weaker hallucinogens is legal in USA, and pretty much anywhere else. I can buy it at the store down the block. As a peson with disjointed brain chemistry who can use all the Melatonin I can get, I second the admonition to turn off the lights. At least the OTO can't sue you for discussing third wave Thelema, as they claim to not have any knowledge of its existence. Their "sex magick" is the top of their Tree of Life, and the heighth of their arcana. Cui Bono?

by **km artlu** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:34 pm

I think that my main source for this was the book which Jeff mentioned; but it's been awhile since reading that. If I remember correctly, DMT is the only endogenous psychedelic. The identical molecule is manufactured by, or in the vicinity of, the pituitary gland. Implying that fluctuations in the intensity of its production contribute to 'naturally occuring' altered states. I had a large dose once in the sixties. Sort of 'accidentally', as in "here man, check this out." Ah, youth... This resulted in twenty minutes of mesmerizing communion with a palm tree in a parking lot. I can't speak for the species or genera, but that particular palm had some deep thoughts going on. To be honest, there were also erotic overtones to our little chat. Impossible to describe, really. All of that took place in the here and now. No trans-dimensional elements, but things would possibly have gone in that direction had I been alone in the dark.

by **professorpan** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:41 pm

Salvia divinorum is also a very interesting plant. At high dosages (especially with the 5x and higher extracts), it does indeed take many people not only out of body, but out of time and space altogether. It is *not* for the inexperienced. Anyone curious about it should start on the low end, preferably either smoking the un-enhanced leaf or chewing a quid of fresh leaf. That's good advice for any substance you're unfamiliar with -- learn everything you can and start low. While the highly concentrated extracts have their uses, I think it's sad that they are marketed in head shops to neophytes. That's a recipe for disaster. And S. divinorum is not legal in all U.S. states. It is illegal in Louisiana, and restricted in Missouri. It is illegal in Australia, Italy, Spain, and several other countries. The most authoritative information source is Daniel Siebert's excellent site: <a href="http://www.sagewisdom.org/">www.sagewisdom.org/</a> Anyone considering using this extraordinary plant should read the articles on the site, especially the user's guide. If using any of the enhanced products, make sure to have a sober sitter with you.

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