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Flying dreams.

Postby slimmouse » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:12 pm

<br><br> Just for a change of topic.<br><br> Last night, for the first time in about 30 years, I had a "flying" dream. <br><br> Ive never been big on dream interpretation or any of that stuff, but even prior to last night, Id never forgotten the amazing feeling of the "flying" dream.<br><br> Any dream experts out there ?<br><br> And just to put things into perspective, I can well remember the horrors of the being unable to run or escape the bad guy dream. A while since Ive had one of those too. Hope Im not tempting providence.<br><br> What Im trying to say is, both such "dreams" feel so fucking real, its almost uncanny. Feedback anyone ? <p></p><i></i>
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I can relate

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The simplest explanation...

Postby marykmusic » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:53 pm

...of a flying dream (and that includes SW's one with the horse) is Astral Projection. It feels real because it IS real. Although we're not in our physical body when this sort of things happens, we are aware on some level and can remember... even if our interpretation of the event is that it's a dream.<br><br>I astral-project with horses all the time, and they are doing it, too. One very old and crippled horse I had used to love to go running and jumping over hills with me, as if he were young and healthy (and as if I wasn't afraid to go above a trot anymore.) --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The simplest explanation...

Postby slimmouse » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:12 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>of a flying dream (and that includes SW's one with the horse) is Astral Projection. It feels real because it IS real.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Thats exactly what my mentor ( as I like to call him ) told me.<br><br> I explained that I suddenly had to wake up because I suddenly 'inverted' and couldnt see where I was going.<br><br> He said that you must harbour no fear in such situations.<br><br> That, he said was my problem. He also spoke of suggesting where I wish to fly to the next time it happens....lucid dreaming ........hope to get another chance lol.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The simplest explanation...

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:31 pm

Slim, did your dreams include a knowledge that if you flew below a certain level, say 8 or 10 feet above ground, you would crash-land, as if you would be grabbed by gravity below that level? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The simplest explanation...

Postby slimmouse » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:47 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Slim, did your dreams include a knowledge that if you flew below a certain level, say 8 or 10 feet above ground, you would crash-land, as if you would be grabbed by gravity below that level?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> Cant remember anything like that.<br><br> Here was the scenario. I suddenly found myself talking to an old friend of mine, and asking him to come to this particular location where something "strange" was taking place.<br><br> It was a wierd area where you could observe a strange red sunset. He said he didnt notice anything particularly wierd.....at which point I attempted to illustrate my feelings by "flying". I can distinctly remember the difficult part being the "taking off", but after that ........I was away lol......until I went into the upside down reverse mode......at which point ..i had to "bail out" lol. <p></p><i></i>
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Haven't had a real flying dream in a long time...

Postby banned » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:51 pm

...probably because I've felt very trapped in my life for some time.<br><br>I did have real flying dreams, especially as a kid, but mine were more levitation/ascension than exactly flying. As a kid I would just go up up up through the roof and into the starry sky. When I was older I would dream that I would raise my right hand, and some power would raise me up about ten feet off the ground. Then sometimes I would walk that distance off the ground. I realized when I was in my 40s and saw my first Tarot deck that in the dreams I would stand in a pose similar to the Magician in the Rider-Waite deck, hand upraised. The thing is, I knew it was not me that had the power to rise, but that I was opening myself up to a power that was pulling me up.<br><br>I've always had amazing dreams...some terrifying, some ecstatic or exultant. All vivid and all very important to my psychospiritual development.<br><br>I know I have some psychic gifts but because of my emotional hypersensitivity and inherited mood disorder, I have to be really careful. If I don't live a very stable life--sleep regular hours, get enough fresh air, eat balanced meals, I quit drinking alcohol almost 18 years ago, don't do any other psychotropic or recreational drugs, avoid interpersonal dramas as much as I can (which isn't always possible of course) I can flip out easily either into depression or hypomania, and once I do it takes a long time to regain my emotional balance. That doesn't mean I am close-minded or not interested in the far horizons of the mind, only that I do better imitating Ozzie Nelson than Arthur Rimbaud <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> . It's fine to espouse systematic derangement of the senses if your senses aren't easily deranged just in living day to day. I read about the lives some artists and writers have lived, boozing and drugging and seeking out extremes of sexual and emotional and paranormal experience...two weeks of it and I'd be gibbering in a padded cell. I remember in my teens when people were trying to get me to take psychedelic drugs, I said "Look, I have enough trouble coping with the world as it is. If a chair turned into a dragon or I saw God in my bowl of Wheaties I'd be done for." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Haven't had a real flying dream in a long time...

Postby gaj86 » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:54 pm

HOW many times do I have to type this out??/<br><br>- Do flying dreams really mean astral projection??<br>I've been able to fly in my dreams since I can remember. When I was a child, it was much easier. As I grew up, it got harder to "steer", plus I would either fly too high, get scared and wake up - or get pulled back down towards the ground. <br>Lately I seem to be able to do it a bit more freely again. In fact I tend to fly places instead of walking... I'm even lazy in my dreams! ^_^<br>In Psychology, however, it represents freedom or innocence or something like that <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Haven't had a real flying dream in a long time...

Postby slimmouse » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:37 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In Psychology, however, it represents freedom or innocence or something like that<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> Ah, one of the 'ologys' says that huh ?<br><br> Its probably a crock of nonsense then <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> How about synchronicity/ coinkydinky ? What does anyone think about that ? I send someone an IM on here, and but a few posts later, someone else refers to the very stuff I included in my IM.<br><br> Or is that something else too ? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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coinicidence?

Postby michael meiring » Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:12 am

QUOTE,<br><br><br>'''I send someone an IM on here, and but a few posts later, someone else refers to the very stuff I included in my IM'''<br><br>------------------------------------------------------<br><br>no forum seems immune from the trackers, even one such as this with a minscule amount of registered members.<br><br>You can spot the 'insiders' a mile off, helpful hints are the ones that cling to known liars and government institution crackpot, wackos theory at all costs.<br><br>How can anyone genuine, cling to known liars explanation of things?<br><br>when bush and his cronies and government agencies and sponsored institutions regurgatate the same fantasy about 19 saudis, doing 9/11,etc etc etc, and the same regular posters come on here and defend that with ever increasing intensity, i would have thought thats a dead giveaway. Just dont mention their name or call them misinfo agents on here, that it likely to get you banned, call them all other names under the sun apart from the z word and that seems to go.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: coinicidence?

Postby robertdreed » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:39 am

Ever since I found out that my computer had two Back Orifice programs on it, I've stopped worrying about being surveilled. Those things can move your mouse around, so to speak...who knows what all I've had planted on my computer. <br><br>I'm an utter computer illiterate...I think I was on the Internet for a year and a half before I learned how to "cut" (or "copy") and "paste." And I still occasionally get into one of those weird places where I lose a space for every keystroke, eating my post if I try to insert any textual revisions. And then there's what happens if I let my finger rest too long on the "shift" key...this weird Bizarro World program called "StickyKeys" comes up, and everything flips out...it's like having the "caps lock" key stuck on permanently, only worse. Text begins highlighting itself, and I don't know what all...excuse my Francais, but it's total fucktitude. Worst of all, the only way to fix it is to shut down the computer and start over...it's like a joke, when StickyKeys first gets engaged, a box comes up supposedly providing me with the option to turn it off. But it never works! What's up with that? <br><br>Yeah, flying dreams, I've had them before. Concentration is important. I've learned a few techniques to make it easier. Another thing that's important is to be living a spare, clean life with a minimum of worries and loose ends to intrude from waking life into your dreaming mind. A tidy life- no outstanding debt worries, no having to take your work home with you, no stresses from relationships, no pressing school projects or exams...as close to a monastic existence as you can get, to free up the energy. I was never much for "dream analysis"- ordinary dreaming is too incredibly chaotic to apply a concretized symbol set a la Freud/Jung, in my opinion- but I am in agreement with the newer theories that dreams act as a way of "processing" material from one's recent waking life. I don't place much importance in that processing, personally- because I've had some horrid dreams on occasion, serious nightmares that I wanted to forget as quickly as possible. It seems to me that if you decide to take your dreams seriously as "portents", you can't pick and choose. You have to take both the good ones and the bad ones seriously. Not me. When I wake up, it's a new day. I re-set the counters. <br><br>Ironically, the typical chaotic imagery that makes up ordinary dreaming is what you <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">don't</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> want, if you're seeking lucid dreams and flying dreams. You want to be as much present as you can. So the closer you get to living a calm, uncluttered life with a lot of inner peace, the fewer impressions from your waking life are likely to tie tin cans to your tail, so to speak. External quiet helps too, and total lights-out darkness. <br><br>The most frustrating thing about lucid flying dreams is not being able to fly when you wake up. It isn't a transferable state...therefore, if you begin to prize living in that world over waking life, going to sleep becomes the high point of your existence. At least in my case, I couldn't bring myself to prize the experience that much. It's absurd, the idea that life would be about maintaining a body in order to seek the peak experience of lucid flying dreams...I can't do that, it's intolerable. I've never been a bounce-out-of-bed early riser, I like my sack time, but still...let's not be ridiculous. That can't be what life is for, sleeping. But oh yeah, it was fun. I used to fly all over downtown Sacramento...once in flight, it was about finding the perches. Move by aiming- treetop to treetop, or electrical pole...<br><br>But the thing is, ultimately it isn't that important. It would be better if there was a way to share it with other human companions, but I've never had that happen. I've flown with birds, but we don't have much to communicate to each other. Not even "hey, neat, we're flyin' again." They're jaded about it, so to speak...I dunno, I get the impression that they're trying to be polite, but I'm a wannabe to them, a poser. Okay, that's probably just me, projecting...the fact is, human and birds don't share much bandwidth, especially verbally. So we're aloof from each other- which just leaves me, flying around town, a lone scout. Like a lone hiker..it's okay, even thrilling and wonderful at times. But the lucid flying dream experience would be better with companionship, other human consciousnesses to interact with. My ordinary dreams often feature other human company, intertions, and conversation, in the form of weird montage vignettes...I've never gotten that from a lucid flying dream. It really is a lot like solo hiking or biking on a scenic trail, the way you're alone with your thoughts...<br><br>Frankly, it's been quite some time since I've had a lucid flying dream. I can't recall the last time it happened...every 1-2 years, I'm thinking. And that was the thing- it "happened" to me, rather than me pursuing it. But there was a stretch of time when I was actively into getting it to happen, and I had a lot of success with it. But my life got too cluttered, among other things, I went off to university and other priorities took over...and that's what I wanted, no regrets. But, if anyone wants to stake me the $$$ for a meditation retreat, my calendar should be clear for next summer some time...as an escape from reality, doing a few weeks of lucid flying dreams is completely non-toxic. Beats holing up in a motel with a nitrous tank, or a big chunk of crack, as far as I'm concerned. But, to each their own...I know full well that there are yuppies out there who look forward to doing that, as their vacation getaway. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/30/05 7:05 am<br></i>
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puter

Postby jenz » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:02 am

RD so impressed you can't do puter either. eating words I finally sussed is an icon somewhere on screen called OVR which turns itself on every time you hit a sequence of keys which is the shortcut microcrap assigned to it. find it and try to change it back - hey presto you can type again.<br><br>but, on subject of back orifices . reason I don't use my own machine for the internet now is that I watched a prog. a few years ago in which a former French counter espionage officer assured the viewers that a part of the Windows packages in the later than 95 versions was subcontracted to a firm which was in the thrall of scientologists, and said bit of software was trojan horse. <br><br>consequently, being paranoid and skinflint, I never updated, and when broadband finally came to this place I live in, and the ISP would not deal with early versions of Windows, I decided to use someone elses machine. (I suppose machine is wrong word actually)<br><br>it seems ridiculous really to worry about access to one's own data, but someone being able to put stuff on the computer of which you have no knowledge has implications for maintaining liberty. Probably these scare tactics are designed to interfere with the free exchange of information on the internet, and get us to accept it as a commercial tool only.<br><br><br>but it is so long since I flew ... I can only look on in envy. <p></p><i></i>
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computer surveillance

Postby robertdreed » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:07 am

I take it for granted that every keystroke of mine is monitored by multiple intelligence agencies, and the odd freelance cracker...pretty egotistical, eh? <br><br>I've thought that ever since I got a computer and went on-line...1998, I think that was. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/30/05 7:09 am<br></i>
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Re: puter

Postby israelirealities » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:50 am

A week ago Bill Gates visited Israel. One of the news websites implied that Windows has trojan horse components, in the service of the CIA. It makes a lot of sense, and then if anyone can find out which "hooks" there are, they can use them too. <br>I think that a large part of my victimization via MC went through something in the internet, but it was more than trojan horse/tracking, it was like someone almost reads my mind and responds to "thoughts" i have, let alone emails or such. There was also a lot of sexual type hacking (like bringing up offensive stuff on my screen) At that point I filed a complaint with the police, and it was very strange, because once they had the names from the providers )of the hackers) they closed the complaint and made the names confidential. I was assisted by thje largest women's organization in Israel, and that didn't help as well. I appealed the decision to the AG here, and received the weirdest reply that the reason they are not reversing the decision is because I refused to tell the police who I suspect of doing it. The truth was I did share my suspicion, that it was government people. <br>Two months ago, we had here a scandal, when UK police arrested an Israeli guy and his wife for distributing a "magic trojan horse" something that resembles what I was victimized by. IT was big here, so I decided to write again to the AG, and renew my appeal (from 5 years ago) saying that perhaps now when they know the technology, they will reopen the investigation. In response they wrote that the decision remains "because I didn't say who I suspect" (again !) BUT they are now willing to divulge the names of the suspects, which they didn't back then. <br>I didn't go yet to the police to look at the names. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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bad flying dreams too

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