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Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:45 am**

I could only find this September thread on William Henry's “George W. Bush and the Seal of Atlantis” through Google and had trouble accessing it directly. It wouldn't let me post, so I thought I'd better respond to Jeff's mention of it on the main page today directly. The earlier thread: <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm12.showMessage?topicID=112.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=112.topic</a> “One thing, perhaps, they didn't count on, was the eruption of signs, for those who can see” — Jeff Wells The Higher Coincidence <a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/11/higher-coincidence.html#comments">rigorousintuition.blogspo...l#comments</a> Which doesn't seem to include William Henry, if this example of visual illiteracy of Henry's, taken at face value here, is any example. “William Henry is one of the world's cutting edge mythologists, is perhaps one of the most credible experts available when it comes to the secret sciences and technologies of our ancient ancestors. An authority on ancient mythology and the Holy Grail, he's conducted 21 years of intensive scientific, archaeological and historical research. What he's discovered is truly amazing. His working hypothesis is that Stargates and wormholes are at the center of all the world's myths and religions. William is the author of 9 books on ancient mysteries and spirituality. During this exploration of Egypt, William will be drawing on information contained in all of his books.” — meta description from source code at <a href="http://site.williamhenry.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=31&Itemid=41">site.williamhenry.net/ind...&Itemid=41</a> A primary rule of thumb: if someone online is using a visual image as being or representing something, yet that person is unable to give an accurate verbal description of what they are asking you to look at, you can bet that their conclusions that they draw will be similarly inaccurate. It's a clause that should be added to "as above, so below" -- as identified wrong, so analyzed wrong. It is a serious mistake to accept this (or any other alleged symbol) without looking at it VERY carefully. “In preparation for the president’s speech the throng of supporters on the convention floor was parted. The sea of people surrounded a red carpet ‘c.’ Inside the ‘c’ was a platform formed of concentric rings. Painted upon its flat surface was the Seal of the President of the United States. A long blue plank extended from the concentric rings… Little did any one notice that when the president gave his speech he was standing in the Seal of Atlantis combined with the early Christian symbol of the Messiah.” <a href="http://site.williamhenry.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=31&Itemid=41">site.williamhenry.net/ind...&Itemid=41</a> If William Henry was the “credible expert” he claims to be, he’d be able to talk coherently about what he is seeing on both a mundane and symbolic level. His claims in “George W. Bush and the Seal of Atlantis” are so wrongheaded it’s hard to know where to start. When questioning whether arcane symbolism is being used in this political context, you need to be able to ascertain whether the alleged symbols are being described accurately, and what their meaning might be in this context. Let’s compare the two images presented, that of the so-called “Seal of Atlantis” and that of the central dais from the 2004 Republican convention. “Seal of Atlantis”: 6 concentric rings Convention platform: 10 concentric rings “Seal of Atlantis”: St. Peter’s Cross overlaid Convention platform: No cross overlaid. Blue walkway appears to be part of dumbbell shape “Seal of Atlantis”: Cross offset on concentric rings so that checkerboard pattern occurs Convention platform: No checkerboard “Seal of Atlantis”: Black and white Convention platform: Polychrome William Henry description: “red carpet ‘c’.” Reality: red carpet seems to totally surround platform with no break, and extend further back under the blue walkway. This is not a C shape. William Henry has not shown any congruence whatsoever between the “Seal of Atlantis” and George W. Bush’s 2004 convention dais on a strictly visual level. Let’s see if the alleged symbolic issues show any more clarity. The upside down cross is also known as St. Peter’s Cross. Peter was said to have requested that his crucifixion be in that position. It is not, as William Henry says, a symbol of “the Messiah,” but of St. Peter. I don't know if you all are naively thinking there is some sort of mystical occult symbol called the "Seal of Atlantis," but a Google search of the millions of postings on the newsgroups gives no mention of it at all. Searches of webpages show that other than a stationery design by Lonnie Weems and a Danish website titled “Indiana Jones and the Seal of Atlantis,” the only mention besides William Henry’s is that of Jiri Mruzek's pet sacred geometry hobbyhorse, a hideous, tortured attempt to link Nazca with paleolithic Europe and Atlantis. As happens so often with many self-proclaimed breakthroughs in esoteric analysis, Mruzek doesn’t value his work enough to get it its own website. As a consequence, most efforts to view his work will be met with a stern admonition from Geocities that he has overspent his bandwidth allowance and you will have to wait an hour to view it. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5586/seat1.htm">www.geocities.com/CapeCan.../seat1.htm</a> Mruzek’s “Seal of Atlantis” seems to be based on frenzied electronic crayoning and diagramming of sketches of what are likely to be poor black and white reproductions from the 1950’s or 1960’s of engraved slabs from the caves at La Marche. As Mruzek has not credited the source for his image drawings, we must assume that they are probably ripped off in some way from the original publication in the Bulletin de la Societe Prehistorique de France . The stone slabs themselves are not on public view at the Musee de l’Homme in Paris. Two other sites with versions of the same “Athena” [sic] image from which Mruzek draws his conclusions can be found at <a href="http://www.atlantisquest.com/CaveDrawing.html">www.atlantisquest.com/CaveDrawing.html</a> and <a href="http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Lussac.html">www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Lussac.html</a> It’s instructive to look at all three offerings of the same sketches of paleolithic engravings to see what sort of objective information can be gleaned from them. The answer, alas, is “not much,” other than as cautionary material. Working only from someone else’s sketches puts the viewer at the mercy of the artist’s ability to accurately draw what they are seeing. There is no way of determining from the sketches what lines are truly artifacts of human work, and what are naturally “incised” lines in the rock or attempts to indicate rock contours. As you see, these three sites above pick and choose which lines they are going to use to illustrate their points, take parts out of context, and speculate far beyond where the data can honestly lead them. Without accurate information to start with, there is no chance of making accurate assumptions based on the flawed original information. Garbage in, garbage out. All that these claims show me is that William Henry ‘s scholarship is both sloppy and shoddy. “George W. Bush and the Seal of Atlantis” is not work that leads me to want to look further into his research. If any of you have any information on a “Seal of Atlantis” that doesn’t have such bogus roots, please do post illustrations and citations here. So far, there is nothing available online that supports William Henry’s claims. For the record: Indiana Jones and the Seal of Atlantis from a Danish website <a href="http://medlem.jubii.dk/torben5544/">medlem.jubii.dk/torben5544/</a> Seal of Atlantis by Lonnie Weems <a href="http://www.ellenmilliongraphics.com/fantasyart/emgproduct.php?id=315">www.ellenmilliongraphics....php?id=315</a> And while I am fact-checking William Henry, I should point out that while he claims that his first book, the 1992 Junior Cosmic Egg “won rave reviews,” not a single review is to be found on the Internet, it is not listed on amazon.com even as a used book, and a search of the comprehensive addall.com rare book database turns up no copies whatsoever. <a href="http://www.addall.com/SuperRare/submitRare.cgi?author=henry&title=Junior+Cosmic+Egg+&keyword=&isbn=&order=TITLE&ordering=ASC&dispCurr=USD&binding=Any+Binding&min=&max=&timeout=20&match=Y&StoreAbebooks=on&StoreAlibris=on&StoreAntiqbook=on&StoreBiblio=on&StoreBiblion=on&StoreBibliophile=on&StoreBibliopoly=on&StoreBooksandcollectibles=on&StoreHalf=on&StoreILAB=on&StoreMaremagnum=on&StorePowells=on&StoreStrandbooks=on&StoreZVAB=on">www.addall.com/SuperRare/...oreZVAB=on</a>

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:39 am**

I wasn't too convinced either... when it was first posted I too noticed the lack of the inverted cross, without which you've pretty much just got some circles! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Still, that photo of of the dais is pretty sinister, looks like something from a sci-fi movie... or one of Matthew Barney's films... Is it usual to stand on the presidential seal!? Seems odd/disrespectful to use it as a round floor.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:53 am**

I think Indiana Jones should be a valid source. He's cool and he hates Nazis. That aside, I wondered about this as well...the only "hint" of a cross is that two bodyguards stand one on each side. It is, however, clearly a fascist-inspired design and was clearly channeled from the ghost of Leni Riefenstahl. Very mystical looking and very much creating a sense of power. I'm just REALLY glad Bush is so UNcharismatic or I think we'd be in even more trouble. They really picked wrong with him.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:40 pm**

...but that didn't work out and now he's simply a HUGE embarrassment. --MaryK

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:47 pm**

Nobody willing to corroborate William Henry's so-called Seal of Atlantis symbol being what he says it is? Has he no supporters here? Going once, going twice...

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:20 pm**

I have no vested interest in this, since I don't believe in Atlantis as presented by most of our modern mythmakers, but I think the rings have to do with the concentric walls around Atlantis <img src="http://remacle.org/bloodwolf/textes/atlantis.jpg" style="border:0;"/> "Plato wrote of an island of five stades (925m) diameter that was surrounded by several circular structures - concentric rings - some consisting of Earth and the others of water. We have in the photos concentric rings just as Plato described," Dr Kuehne told BBC News Online. http://www.crystalinks.com/atlantisnews.html it's irrelevant, of course, whether Atlantis was real or to what other uses it has been put, when discussing it's use as a fascist symbol. That is, I think the line of thought is that "Hyperboreans" descended from the North and populated Atlantis, etc. It's not the fault of Atlanteans, of course, if they ever existed, that their homeland has been taken up by Nazis. Currently, my interest is the Eurasian fascist movement that posits a battle between "Atlantists" (influenced by Atlantis, but also, more generally, ocean countries, U.S. and England) and Eurasianism. Interestingly, this puts the Atlanteans as the bad guys...and if the article I link to below is true on this point (more fascist eurasian propaganda for the most part, of course) Blavatsky taught that Atlantis was ruined by evil magicians. If this is the case, and since the Eurasian fascists don't like, or at least pretend not to like the Atlanteans, then such a symbol could have been a code...like a gang sign or something. Could there be various factions at work here for control of the world? <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Atlantism Verses Eurasianism Secret societies and the teachers of occult wisdom consistently trace their origins back to the very dawn of civilisation. Within Judeo-Christian culture, the secret schools speak of Adam, Seth, Moses and the Patriarchs as initiates of a divine wisdom carefully passed from one generation to the next. Other occult groups look back beyond ancient Egypt and the Mystery schools of Greece, to the lost continent of Atlantis. Still others trace their lineage to Sumeria or Babylon and the mysterious plains of Tartary. Examining mankind’s myths, legends and arcane stories we encounter countless references to a vanished primordial civilisation. The brilliant French metaphysician Rene Guenon wrote of a great Hyperborean culture that flourished around the Arctic Circle and of its outposts Shambhala in the East and Atlantis in the West. Plato wrote of Atlantis, describing it as the heart of a great and powerful empire which, due to the indiscriminate mixing of “the sons of God” with “the children of men,” suffered “violent earthquakes and floods” and “disappeared beneath the sea”. According to occult tradition, Atlantis came to an end after a lengthy period of chaos and disaster brought about, in the words of Madame Blavatsky, because the “Atlantis-race became a nation of wicked magicians.” Atlantis was destroyed by a conspiracy of evil magicians who had seized control of the mighty continent. Long before the final end of Atlantis, great migrations took place to different centres of the earth. In one legend we are told of a righteous remnant journeying from the Arctic Circle to Shambhala, in the remote fastness of Central Asia. Other legends suggest Atlantean survivors established the ancient Egyptian civilisation. Victoria LePage, the author of one of the most comprehensive studies of Shambhala explains how Atlantis and Shambhala are more than mere geographic locations: In folklore Atlantis and Shambhala are implicitly linked together as charismatic images of heart’s desire, two shining mirages that lie on the farthest horizon of human longing, unattainable, always receding as we reach for them; at best no more than ideal states of consciousness never realized. But their association seems to have a far more real and historically concrete basis than that. Initiatic tradition affirms they have both genuinely existed, one in the western sea, the other in the eastern mountains, as lynchpins of what was once a network of Wisdom centers located on a great power-grid extending around the globe. Further, Shambhala still exists within a framework that awaits reactivation.3 In order to identify the historical activities of secret societies we need to appreciate the origin of a most powerful idea. Occult lore speaks of Shambhala as the positive centre of the Brotherhood of Light, and Atlantis the negative centre of the evil magicians, the Brothers of the Shadow. Wherever we look we see the division of secret societies and occult endeavours into these two opposing ‘Orders’. All occult movements and teachings inevitably serve either the “Order of Eurasia” or the “Order of Atlantism”, with their respective symbolic centres of Shambhala and Atlantis. Concealed behind a multitude of different forms and represented by an array of unsuspecting agents of influence, these two centres – Shambhala and Atlantis – represent two different impulses in human evolution. <hr></blockquote> Now, I don't buy any of this literally, but this appears to be a sort of "spin" that posits the occultists of Eurasia as the good guys and the "Atlantist" occultists as bad guys. So you know, goooo, Eurasians! Of course, they are freaking fascists too, so that sucks. And here's that banner I kept trying to get to show up in earlier posts on Dugin. This is Dugin's creation, I think, but I'm not sure. Anyway, it's on his "mystical" site, http://www.arctogaia.com/public/eng/. print it, just so everyone's clear what's going on over there! <img src="http://arctogaia.com/public/images/Trad_Rev.gif" style="border:0;"/>

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