Ever hear of Spiricom?

[Attack Ships on Fire]

While trudging through the internet in search of interesting subject matter, I came across something related to the world of electronic voice phenomena (EVP) called Spiricom. From what I'm able to gather, the claim is that a device was constructed that allowed for two-way communication between the living and the dead. By that, I mean actual question and answer kind of communication, not the kind of recordings of what sounds like ghostly words a la EVP.<br><br>It gets better. Circa 1980, one of the Spiricom pioneers supposedly contacted a spirit that was formerly a doctor. Said ghost doctor then helped the Spiricom engineer, one George Meek, upgrade the device so that it's supposed to work better.<br><br>There's a two hour recording of Meek allegedly "talking" with this spirit, Dr. George J Mueller, at a website: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ghostpix.com/spiricom/spiricom.html">www.ghostpix.com/spiricom/spiricom.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> . It's weird to listen to at first, as the Spiricom sounds like someone talking using robot voice, but after a while you can make out what's being said. There's also a website that has some transcript of the Meek/Mueller conversations *and* a diagram that's supposed to show how you can make your own Spiricom device: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.worlditc.org/k_06_spiricom.htm">www.worlditc.org/k_06_spiricom.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> .<br><br>I did a quick search on RI and didn't come across any discussions about the Spiricom. Myself, I'm on the fence about whether ghosts exist. These days I lean towards the possibility that there is an afterlife of sorts but that comes from my research into other facets of our reality. Still, I've never seen a ghost, never spoken to a spirit so it's all interesting to read but it may be bunk. Still, what drives my interest level up a notch or two about the Spiricom claims is that this is supposed to offer actual real-time communication with the dead. So, if this thing was made in the 1980s, and the diagrams are out there, why haven't any EVP people made their own Spiricoms? Nornally that's a smoking gun that the Spiricom is nothing but a hoax, but like I said, I've never heard of it before this week. Have any of you come across anything that debunks this device or the claims of Meek?<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=attackshipsonfire>Attack Ships on Fire</A> at: 7/6/06 2:47 am<br></i>

[Gouda]

Ken? Ken? Ken, do you read me...Ken? <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

Sorry Ships, crack above not meant to belittle a discussion of Spiricom...I intend to look into it later today if time...just could't resist the Ken thing. <p></p><i></i>

[Sepka]

I've never seen that done with discrete tone generators, but a lot of EVP techniques will inject some subaudible white noise as a 'base'. The theory is that the white noise (or here, I suppose, the tone generators) provide a nearly audible base for a low strength signal to build on. The white noise is almost enough to hear, and that little extra bit of modulated energy from the signal pushes it over the threshhold of perception.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

We have an attic fan....really handy but VERY loud. When it is on, I hear all kinds of things...voices, music...whatever. Even though I know it is a result of my own mind's determination to seek patterns in chaos (so we could spot the bunny or the lion in the bush way back in the day), it can still freak me out. I've had to turn it off before. So I've not been impressed with white noise based voices from the dead. This other sounds like it must either be a fraud or really interesting. <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

Ever seen a disturbing little movie called <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0090069/">Static</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->? From the IMDB plot summary: "A quirky, out-of-of place worker at a crucifix factory in the Bible Belt invents a device he claims can show pictures of Heaven. Discouraged and confused by the inability of those around him to see anything but a screenful of static, he charismatically hijacks a bus of friendly elderly people in order to get media attention for his invention." Minor spoiler: it doesn't end happily.<br><br>I haven't come to a conclusion on EVP. Though since there are often electrical phenomena associated with boundary experiences, I think it's possible that disincarnate or exohuman entities could use electrical devices for communication. (Though I'd be disinclined to believe anything they say.)<br><br>Haven't heard of Spiricom before, I'll have to check it out. Thanks. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/6/06 9:14 am<br></i>

[Gouda]

I do like the folksy "old time radio" quality of it all. Not sure what is going on there, but you certainly can hear something resembling human speech patterns, with all due respect to Dr. George J Mueller, RIP. After some time listening, I could make out specific words in the didgeridoo-like responses after notable pauses during questioning. <p></p><i></i>

[Sepka]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> Ever seen a disturbing little movie called Static?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That sounds interesting. It's not on DVD, of course. I've heard of people setting video cameras to feedback into a blank or staticy screen, and treating the result as a sort of visual analogue of EVP. I've never done that myself, although I should probably try it.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

I saw <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Static</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> when it was "released." (Don't think it saw much more than a few art houses.) What's curious is that the year of its release, 1985, is apparently <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.aaevp.com/examples/examples_video.htm">the same</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> in which video noise was first used to capture purported paranormal communication. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 7/6/06 1:59 pm<br></i>

[JD]

I find it very interesting what movies are made and when.<br><br>Consider that the process from inception to production must be at least 2 years.<br><br>Is it not a bizarre coincidence that two movies relating to meteor impacts on earth are released within months of each other?<br><br>Or animated features about animals escaping the New York Zoo (Madagascar, The Wild) within a year or so?<br><br>This is without considering the themes and ideas that are presented, and how "timely" they often are.<br><br>A person could spend some time on this topic and mine some interesting facts for sure.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Attack Ships on Fire]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We have an attic fan....really handy but VERY loud. When it is on, I hear all kinds of things...voices, music...whatever. Even though I know it is a result of my own mind's determination to seek patterns in chaos (so we could spot the bunny or the lion in the bush way back in the day), it can still freak me out.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is what most EVP sounds like to me, and so I make the mental jump that it's the mind playing a trick, seeking out a familiar pattern (in this case, a human voice) amongst static; the audio version of the Rorschach test.<br><br>The quality of the Spiricom recordings and that you can plainly hear what the so-called spirit is saying leads my skeptical mind to think that it's gotta be a fake. After all, if this device is *that* good at recording spirit voices, why haven't any other EVP researchers built their own? The plans are out there on the web.<br><br>Still, just because these things have turned out to be fake before doesn't mean that it's not weird, or that it has the slightest chance of being legit. I haven't built a device nor have I examined one, and I know for a fact that there are stranger things in our reality than what the mainstream believes.<br><br>At least spirit Mueller wasn't recorded saying "We are transmitting from the year one-nine-nine-nine...."<br><br>Re: Static the movie. Never heard of it before today. Interesting that it's directed by Mark Romanek, a fairly well known music video director from the 80s and 90s and who also directed "One Hour Photo". He's got a good sense of style. I'll keep an eye out open for it. Three more recommends back at ya, unrelated to EVP but in the same vein of disturbing, next-to-totally-unheard-of movies that I like: The Reflecting Skin (or: how childhood is worse than the average David Lynch film), Miracle Mile (you must already know of this one, but if you don't, it's not exactly a date movie) and The Last Wave (haven't seen it, read a bunch about it, right up the 2012/apocalypse sub-genre).<br><br>I came across a page which apparently shows Meek investigating paranormal phenomena, and, strangely, claims to show a photo that his dead wife sent him from the otherside -- and included in the photo is an image of a fairly well known film producer! What immediately struck me about the photo is that it's got the same...pre-Photoshop collage look, for lack of a better word...as one of the old 1890s fairy photos. Link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ghostpi.com/What%20is%20ITC%20page.htm">www.ghostpi.com/What%20is...20page.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>From the page in question: <br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Jeannette Meek died in the spring of 1990, and George soon received a letter from her, via computer, which she had sent from her new home in the spirit worlds. The letter was sent to our world by the Timestream spirit group, a collaboration of hundreds of dedicated people in spirit working hard to open communication channels with the Earth, and they delivered it through the Harsch-Fischbach computer in Luxembourg while George was home in North Carolina . Jeannette told George she missed him and awaited his arrival in the coming years, but emphasized that there was no hurry. Life there was absolutely beautiful, and she had much to keep her busy. It seemed that she had just arrived, and she was already acting as a guardian angel of kindness for victims of war—men, women and children who were coming across the veil in terror from the Persian Gulf Crisis. Jeannette's job was to calm them and get them settled into their new lives. This was not just channeled information; it was the result of objective reports from a woman who had died, then found a way to deliver clear, unfiltered messages to her husband through a computer on Earth.<br><br>Within a year, Timestream sent a picture of Jeannette in the higher or subtler reaches of the astral realm. She was posing in a stunning landscape, along with their daughter Nancy Carol, who had died at the age of two weeks and was reunited with Jeannette shortly after Jeannette's death. Also in the picture was the film producer Hal Roach.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I'm assuming that's supposed to be the first Hal Roach, the legendary film producer who's got over a thousand credits on IMDB (his son is Hal Roach Jr., and he died in 1972). If I come across a photo of either Roach looking precisely like they do in that Timestream photo, then I'll know this is the spirit world's equivalent of Billy Meier.<br><br>All of this is just fascinating to me, especially how it seems to be totally ignored by modern EVP researchers.<br><br>Thanks for the replys and comments so far. <p></p><i></i>

[Avalon]

So do you age in the afterlife, or is Nancy Carol going to be a telepathic baby with a conceptual vocabulary more advanced than that of the usual two week old infant? <p></p><i></i>

[thurnandtaxis]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> I find it very interesting what movies are made and when.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Pearl Harbor (2001) !!<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0213149/">www.imdb.com/title/tt0213149/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>cue: HMW<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>also here's a link to a page of pdf downloads of various sound art essays, scroll to the bottom for an excellent piece on Electronic Voice Phenomenon.<br><br>Rorschach Audio: Art & Illusion for Sound<br>by Joe Banks<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/leonardo_music_journal/toc/lmj11.1.html">muse.jhu.edu/journals/leo...j11.1.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thurnandtaxis>thurnandtaxis</A> at: 7/6/06 2:50 pm<br></i>

[Attack Ships on Fire]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Is it not a bizarre coincidence that two movies relating to meteor impacts on earth are released within months of each other?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Are you referring to "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon", both released in the summer of 1998? Actually, there was another doomsday meteor movie in development too, with "Titanic" director James Cameron behind it, but it never made it out of development.<br><br>Disney and Dreamworks have a close and cruel rivalry with each other since the formation of DW in the early 1990s. I personally write it off to the defection of Disney second-in-command man Jeff Katzenberg to Dreamworks. Katzenberg was in charge of Dreamworks Animation from the start, and since he was intimately involved with Disney's animation department, he knew what Disney projects were in the pipeline up to a decade ahead of time. Disney and Dreamworks would come up with their own "counterprogramming" movies to try and play off of the other. For example:<br><br>1998: Antz (Dreamworks), A Bug's Life (Disney)<br>2000: The Road to El Dorado (Dreamworks), The Emperor's New Groove (Disney)<br>2001: Shrek (DW), Monsters Inc (Dis)<br>2002: Treasure Planet (Dis), 2003: Sinbad (DW)<br>2003: Finding Nemo (Dis), 2004: Shark Tale (DW)<br><br>..and so on.<br><br>The truth is, movie studios ride on the coattails of other studios to attract audiences to similar films released by their rivals. Great and relevant case in point: Warner Bros. just released Superman Returns. WB is spending $100 million dollars on a huge ad campaign, creating visibility of their product. 20th Century Fox is releasing My Super-Ex Girlfriend later this month, a comedy about what it's like breaking up with a female superhero. The buzz of Superman will lend itself to creating more buzz for Super-Ex GF. If Superman turned out to be a blockbuster, it would only help Super Ex too.<br><br>In short, I don't believe that these are coincidences, nor do I believe that it's a sinister agenda at generating a psyop hatched by some quasi-black ops division of the government. It's show biz, and it's about making a buck more than the other guy is making. Instead of focusing on the important things (a good story, good storytellers behind the lens), it's easier for Hollywood to lock into zeitgeists and producing similar product to the other company's releases.<br><br>Hell, it'd be easier to accept that bad movies are the result of a psyop agenda screwing up the filmmaking process, but the sad reality is that most movies suck based on their own (lack of) merits.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Attack Ships on Fire]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So do you age in the afterlife, or is Nancy Carol going to be a telepathic baby with a conceptual vocabulary more advanced than that of the usual two week old infant?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Thank you, thank you, thank you for mentioning this because it seems to be a verboten area for all mediums and spirit contactees to bring up and address, like it's one part of their story that they never bothered to think about. Assuming that the spirit world is real, what would happen to an infant that died in our world when they arrived at the afterlife? Do they age there? Does their "soul" suddenly manifest adult characteristics?<br><br>I have never seen it addressed, probably because it's disturbing to even think about a baby or a young child dying in the first place. I did see the concept touched on once in fiction, and quite brilliantly too: there was once a popular and critically acclaimed comic book series called The Sandman in which the character of Death goes around the world doing her duty, collecting souls and sending them on to the "Shining Realms". As we follow Death doing her job, she stops at a baby's bedroom. The Mom has just left the room and we heard (via word balloons) that the infant is very young. Death touches the child and it passes, and in the next moment the child is being held by Death and asking rational, adult questions: "Is that all? Don't I get any more?"<br><br>Funny how those that claim to know what lies beyond death forget to explain how the system works over there.<br> <p></p><i></i>