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Montauk - help me out here

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:41 pm

I've been meaning to write something for a while now on the so-called Montauk Project, but it's such a huge and squishy subject I don't know where to begin. My impression of it is of a huge concretion of fantasy, delusion and disinformation contributed by multiple players who don't all have the same agenda, slathered atop something real.<br><br>My instinct says the reality is linked somehow to Wilhelm Reich, and part of the disinformation is to further discredit his work. Also, that the Montauk account of the covert military-occult sexual abuse of children points to something real, but the legends of Montauk intentionally screw up the direction finder. That is, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>something like</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Montauk's abuse of kids happened, but it didn't happen there (though perhaps victims were told that's where they were), or as described by dubious characters like Al Bielek. <br><br>(As for the "Philadelphia Experiment" aspect of the story, I'm with Vallee, that it was radar masking. "Carlos Allende" is not to be trusted, and the popularizers of the story, Moore and Berlitz, are a self-admitted disinfo asset and a mercenary hack.)<br><br>So anyone up on their Montauk, please jump in with what you know, think and feel about it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Montauk - help me out here

Postby yesferatu » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:13 am

Isn't there a Montauk/Crowley association? <br>Like he visited the area once. As if that means something. Though it is stated "In 1918 he spent the summer in a tent in Montauk. According to Amado Crowley, Aleister Crowley considered Montauk to be extremely significant."<br>And there is this " huge concretion of fantasy, delusion and disinformation contributed by multiple players who don't all have the same agenda, slathered atop something real" bit:<br><<All of the above sounded like one more wild story, so I began to look for any references to the Wilsons in Aleister Crowley's various books. None turned up. To my surprise thought, I discovered that not only had Crowley visited Montauk (in 191<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> but he had mentioned a "Duncan Cameron" in his autobiography. Subsequent to this, numerous instances of synchronocity between the Cameron and Crowley families were discovered, (these are detailed in Montauk Revisited), but I still could not find any references to the Wilson brothers.<br><br>The meaning of these various synchronicities (between the Cameron name and Crowley) began to be explained when I found out about a woman who called herself "Cameron." She is perhaps most famous for having been married to Jack Parsons, the world's first solid fuel rocket scientist and a disciple of Crowley. Together, they had participated in an interdimensional activity known as the Babalon Working (a ceremonial act which included sex magick and has been hailed by some as the greatest magical act of the century).<br><br>Through a further series of incredible synchronicities, I flew to Southern California on other business and met one of Cameron's friends quite by "accident." Soon discovering that she lived in West Hollywood, I suddenly found myself telling her in person about the Philadelphia Experiment, the Montauk Project, and the Crowley/Cameron relationship. To my surprise, she informed me that her real name wasn't Cameron at all. It was Wilson!<br><br>It now became obvious that Preston's story about being a Wilson could not be discounted nor could his general credibility be denied. Perhaps more importantly, it revealed that some very strange correspondences were at work that had to do with interdimensionality.<br><br>I would receive an astonishing letter several months later that would close the case as regards whether or not the Wilson brothers had existed. It was from a man named Amado Crowley who claimed to be an illegitimate son of Aleister Crowley. Not only did he remember his father talking about the Wilson brothers, but he also provided clues which revealed that the odds of his lying about his parentage were nil.<br><br>Amado not only verified the existence of the Wilson brothers, he gave a spectacular account of his father's whereabouts on August 12, 1943 (the day of the Philadelphia Experiment). Aleister had directed a magical ceremony at Men-an-Tol in Cornwall, England where a large donut style rock lays upright in the water. According to Amado, Aleister put him through the hole in the rock whereupon a line of rough water ran from the coast of England to Long Island, New York. In ancient times, a stone like Men-an-Tol was utilized in a ritual such as this in order to invoke the goddess. Obviously, a major occult correspondence was at work.<br><br>As Montauk Revisited went to press, another astonishing discovery was made. A photograph from the turn of the century turned up and revealed that ancient pyramids had once existed at Montauk Point. Further investigation revealed that Camp Hero, the name of the base where the Montauk Project took place, was located on sacred native American ground that rightfully belonged to the Montauks or Montaukets, the ancient ruling tribe of Long Island. Unfortunately for the Montauks, a New York State court had declared their tribe legally extinct in what some legal experts call the most flagrant case of injustice in the history of Native American relations. In a further instance of synchronicity, it was revealed that the family name of the Montauks' royal family is Pharoah.<br><br>The above information was included in the third book of the series, Pyramids of Montauk. Further connections were made evident between the Pharoahs of Montauk and the Pharaohs of Egypt. A deeper examination of Aleister Crowley's writings and the science of sacred geometry revealed Montauk Point to be an ancient grid point rivaling Stonehenge, the pyramids of Giza or the like.<br><br>It was through Montauk that the project operators sought to control the evolutionary "computer program" of planet Earth in an attempt to influence how people and other life forms think, feel and develop. This "computer system" of evolution is identified as the morphogenetic grid, an ever changing and adapting program of birth, growth, death and consequent recycling of the life force. It is this grid of evolution that certain mystery traditions seek to control. Many factions vie for the lead role in this quest to dominate. Evidence of clandestine operations at Montauk has since been demonstrated beyond that shadow of a doubt. Not only has there been testimony from personnel who participated in the project, but strange and sometimes illegal radio transmissions have been proven to emanate from Montauk Point. The local media on Long Island refuses to investigate the matter.>> found <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.worldofthestrange.com/nlv1042-1-3.html">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Montauk - help me out here

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:21 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Also, that the Montauk account of the covert military-<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>occult sexual abuse of children points to something real</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, but the legends of Montauk intentionally screw up the direction finder.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Imagine how many cast away children from NYCity there are to exploit. And immigrants and refugees coming in, too.<br><br>A perfect place for an MK-ULTRA spider's web.<br><br>aside-<br>I'd like to know more about the nearby Plum Island weapons lab which extruded West Nile Virus and Lyme Disease into the area.<br><br>(People, unclick the "use emoticons" box to keep some digits from automatically becoming those inappropriate smilies in your posts.) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Montauk - help me out here

Postby professorpan » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:27 am

Apologies for double-post. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=professorpan>professorpan</A> at: 7/26/06 12:05 am<br></i>
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Re: Montauk - help me out here

Postby professorpan » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:50 am

It's interesting as folklore, to be sure. But after expending considerable time digging into Montauk, it proved as productive as diving headfirst into Roswell -- i.e., not very. There's so much outright hoaxing, cornball science fiction, and mis- and disinformation that it feels like being stuck on an Escher cul de sac. <br><br>Yet I couldn't help but be intrigued in by Yesferatu's link. And the suggestion of synchronicity related to the names <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Cameron</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Crowley</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> inspired me to do some quick followlinking, which uncovered this from Namebase:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.namebase.org/xcri/Cameron-R-Crowley.html">www.namebase.org/xcri/Cam...owley.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Someone with the name Cameron R. Crowley who happens to be a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.<br><br>Ha -- gotta love the Trickster!<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Montauk - help me out here

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:56 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There's so much outright hoaxing, cornball science fiction, and mis- and disinformation that it feels like being stuck on an Escher cul de sac.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>lol. The joke about the optimist up to his neck in horse manure: "There's gotta be a pony under all this..."<br>Doesn't there?<br><br>I keep finding confirmation that something is important when there is that much smoke, mirrors, and haystack piled around it.<br><br>"There's gotta be a needle under all this..." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Montauk - help me out here

Postby professorpan » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:06 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I keep finding confirmation that something is important when there is that much smoke, mirrors, and haystack piled around it.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>In some cases, I'd agree. But not with Montauk. Caveat emptor. <p></p><i></i>
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Al Bielek Debunked ...

Postby Quentin Quire » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:24 am

I've read quite a lot about Montauk and it seems to me it's a huge pile of disinfo designed to cover-up Military hardware and mind control experiments.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.bielek-debunked.com">www.bielek-debunked.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> does a good job of researching the man who brought the story to light - Al Bielek. I also recall reading something about Preston Nichols - another Montauk 'survivor' -deprogramming 'Montauk Boys' by using hypnosis and masturbation but I can't recall the source.<br><br>There's something going on - but most of it seems sci-fi influenced disinfo IMHO. <p></p><i></i>
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Rediscovering Reich

Postby Bismillah » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:50 am

Jeff, I know nothing about the Montauk project, but this is very interesting indeed:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"My instinct says the reality is linked somehow to Wilhelm Reich, and part of the disinformation is to further discredit his work."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I think Reich is one of the most grossly underrecognised geniuses of the 20th century (which is - of course - not to say he was infallible); but I would have thought he's been very effectively marginalised already. So I'll be very curious to read anything you come up with about this.<br><br>Reich's cancer research is just one aspect of his work that has been terribly neglected. In recent days, months and years, I've seen more and more medical news items confirming the essential truth of "The Cancer Biopathy". Only yesterday: Stress Promotes Growth of Cancer Cells. As if this were <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>news</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->! The frustrating thing is that there is no guiding idea - no paradigm - behind all these multiple and extremely expensive research projects. Reich provided just such a paradigm 60 years ago, and it's high time it was seriously attended to.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Rediscovering Reich

Postby bvonahsen » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:54 pm

Reich's "Orgone Generator" is basically a faraday cage right?<br><br><!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END--><br>Montauk links<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Montauk Project and the Philadelphia Experiment</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/montauk.html">www.v-j-enterprises.com/montauk.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>About.com: The Montauk Project</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://ufos.about.com/library/weekly/aa123097.htm">ufos.about.com/library/we...123097.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Disinformation: The Montauk Project</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id95/pg1/">www.disinfo.com/archive/p.../id95/pg1/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Montauk Air Force Station</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/seafarer/665/index.html">www.fortunecity.com/marin...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Montauk Myths</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/seafarer/665/myth-00.html">www.fortunecity.com/marin...th-00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Montauk Survivor accounts</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.bielek.com/larry_james.htm">www.bielek.com/larry_james.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Google Maps Satellite Photo</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=montauk,+ny&ll=41.062418,-71.873953&spn=0.00091,0.002704&t=k">maps.google.com/maps?f=q&...002704&t=k</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Men-An-Tol

Postby Avalon » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:50 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Aleister had directed a magical ceremony at Men-an-Tol in Cornwall, England where a large donut style rock lays upright in the water</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>That's utter horseshit.<br><br>I've been to the Men-an-Tol -- and went through the hole in the stone -- and it is in no way near any water. It's up on the moorland of the Land's End peninsula. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Al Bielek Debunked ...

Postby pox americanus » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:27 am

" I also recall reading something about Preston Nichols - another Montauk 'survivor' -deprogramming 'Montauk Boys' by using hypnosis and masturbation but I can't recall the source."<br><br>i believe i saw that on the "disinformation" tv series. Ring a bell? Funny in a sad pathetic way. A little alarming actually, with just a dash of disillusionment. A former coworker of mine interviewed preston and ...? in 1991 for an independant documentary about montauk that he produced...he spent a few days out there with them, actually got into what was remaining of the site.(radar station?) interesting footage. really far out in my 1991.<br><br>As to this aspect (the preston factor)of the story being disinfo? i think rather it is the product of some very real illness of some other origin. If my coworker is a disinfo-ist it sure isn't paying very well. <br><br>If anyone out there (although i suspect that on this board it's not likely) has not had the opportunity to chase down the JPL story do so. It is quite a lovely tale, and, given the seeming direness of our times, has a comparative quaintness, a kind of patina that almost reassures in the way that "that old sex magic and rockets" only can. Oh, some say Parsons den of vice and frolic was where 'el ron hubbard got all dem "good" thinkin n' spiritual idears too, along with parsons wife and about $5,000. oh captain ron. hmmm, crowley, parsons, rockets, jpl, hubbard, scientology. huh. gotta be some nazis scurrying around in there somewhere.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Preston Nichols

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:54 am

I'm very curious about this guy.<br><br>On nothing more than the name, I've wondered if he's related to John Nichols and Robert Booth Nichols of Indio/Octopus notoriety. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Preston Nichols/Montauk=red herring

Postby thrulookingglass » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:28 pm

Preston obviously has no qualms about profiting from the torturous events he and the countless other time travelers went through. My favorite tales are of people being sent back in time to help the Beatles record some of their best work. Preston also claims people were even sent back in time to help make Star Wars (the movie) successful! Preston has authored/co-authored at least 6 books on the subject. I don't know what lies beneath all this obfuscation. I don't think any of us here would put it past the gov./octupus/ptb to come up with this hair brained "let's f*ck with the time continuum" scheme. It would seem Preston and Al (real classy pseudonyms guys btw) are the carney folk of Montauk. Step right up and win your lady a prize! On another note, someone had posted a link a while ago blaming the Flight 800 tragedy on the events at Montauk stating that an unsealed time rift cause the explosion of the aircraft. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Preston Nichols/Montauk=red herring

Postby Attack Ships on Fire » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:28 pm

I checked out one of the Montauk books from the library and read it. Came across like the kind of bargain sale sci-fi stories you see on the movies made for the Sci-Fi Channel. Invisible beasts, wacky time travel, the Philadelphia Experiment, the one of the kitchen sinks from the crashed Roswell UFO...<br><br>The part that really stinks of fiction is their record of the supposed Philadelphia Experiment which reads pretty much just like the lame 1983 movie that starred Michael Pere and Nancy Allen. Did the writers of the Montauk books not think nobody would remember this flick?<br><br>I think they were out to make a buck from the masses, didn't get the movie deal and instead focused on writing a series of Montauk books.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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