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<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>PHYSICISTS IN JAPAN PLAN TO CREATE NEW UNIVERSE IN LAB</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br>USING THE HIGGS FIELD, SCIENTISTS THEORIZE IT IS POSSIBLE TO CAUSE A 'BABY UNIVERSE' TO BREAK OFF FROM OUR OWN, SAFELY</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>2 August 2006<br><br>A radical new project could permit human beings to create a "baby universe" in a laboratory in Japan. While it sounds like a dangerous undertaking, the physicists involved believe that if the project is successful, the space-time around a tiny point within our universe will be distorted in such a way that it will begin to form a new superfluid space, and eventually break off, separate in all respects from our experience of space and time, causing no harm to the fabric of our universe.<br><br>The project takes as its starting point two basic theories about the foundations of our universe: the big bang and inflation theory. The big bang theory, as many readers are well aware, observes that all objects in the known universe appear to be moving away from one another, suggesting that the universe was jump-started when all matter and energy were concentrated in an inconceivably tiny space, allowing them to overcome binding forces and causing a cosmic explosion.<br><br>It is well-tested and consistent with all currently accepted models for general cosmology, as tested against advanced theoretical and observational physics. But it is only one piece of the puzzle. Inflation is a key theory, developed in 1981, when MIT physicist Alan Guth observed that there appeared to have been a period immediately following the big bang when the universe "inflated" rapidly, allowing distinct regions of matter and energy to function comfortably free from any forces that might cause them to collapse against each other or disrupt each other's evolution.<br><br>This project is not exactly theoretical physics at work. It is closer to a physical application of observed phenomena, in combination, with the aim of achieving an as yet untested physical effect. Inflation theory helps provide the means of understanding how that effect might be brought about.<br><br>As reported by the New Scientist: "Inflation theory, subsequently modified by Linde, relies on the fact that the 'vacuum' of empty space-time is not a boring, static place. Instead, it is subject to quantum fluctuations that cause strange bubbles to appear at random times. These bubbles of 'false vacuum' contain space-time with different —and very curious— properties."<br><br>The space-time inside these false vacuums is organized and kept constant by a phenomenon known as the 'Higgs field'. It is believed that with the constant provided by the Higgs field, these bubbles of 'false vacuum' can be induced to withstand contact with the high pressure exterior vacuum and subsequently to expand through a kind of cosmic inflation like the one which followed the big bang at the beginning of our universe.<br><br>The key is a monopole, a unique sperical particle with only a north or south pole, only one charge. Adding mass and energy to this already extremely dense particle, could cause it to expand "eternally", providing the trigger needed to make the bubble of false vacuum into an ever-expanding universe, akin to our own, but entirely separate and likely to develop its own physical properties, laws and materials.<br><br>Here is the key to the "new universe" paradigm for the project. It would not be simply an extension of our own universe, a space where strange things happen. The New Scientist reports physicist Nobuyuki Sakai's discoveries regarding this process as follows:<br><br>"[T]he baby universe has its own space-time and, as this inflates, the pressure from the true vacuum outside its walls continues to constrain it. As these forces compete, the growing baby universe is forced to bubble out from our space-time until its only connection to us is through a narrow space-time tunnel called a wormhole..."<br><br>Eventually, the "umbilical" connection between our space-time and the baby universe would be effectively cut, and the baby universe would enter into its own unique process of unending expansion. From our perspective, it would be lost inside a microscopic "black hole", which will not appear to expand into our space-time. Hawking radiation will be emitted and the tiny black hole will "evaporate", sealing the separation between the two universes.<br><br>Ultimately, this evaporation is what makes the project possible, but is also, perhaps, its most serious obstacle. It is expected that the separation between our space-time and the baby universe would occur so quickly, it might be impossible —within the limitations of our physical universe— to observe its having been created.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.casavaria.com/sentido/science/2006/06-0802-new-universe.htm">www.casavaria.com/sentido/science/2006/06-0802-new-universe.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>While it sounds like a dangerous undertaking, the physicists involved <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>believe</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>if</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the project is successful,<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Why is it whenever I hear Science use the word belief I get the creeps?<br><br>What are your personal thoughts on this article, Jeff? <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

haha yes, slightly worrying...<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>While it sounds like a dangerous undertaking, the physicists involved <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>believe</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>if</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the project is successful, the space-time around a tiny point within our universe will be distorted in such a way that it will begin to form a new superfluid space, and eventually break off, separate in all respects from our experience of space and time, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>causing no harm to the fabric of our universe.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> that sounds like a pretty big "IF" to mess around with to me!!!!! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Pretty amazing/crazy idea tho... I'm all for it... proper movie Mad Scientist science! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

the perfect gift for the man who has everything.<br><br>don't ya just love it when supreme psychopathic arrogance becomes the dominant hegemony.<br> <p></p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>What are your personal thoughts on this article, Jeff?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I'm half-persuaded it's a hoax. The other half hopes it is. There seems waaaay too much uncertainty there, given the stakes may include space/time itself. <p></p><i></i>

Billions of years from now some beings will never figure out that the demiurge responsible for their lousy universe are long dead japanese scientists. I guess they will keep praying to their creator nonetheless, and eventually will have scientists of their own who will create another baby universe.<br>And on and on.<br><br>I read that prior to setting off the first atomic bomb, there were scientists who thought quite possibly the chain reaction would not cease....they were of the opinion our atmosphere would continue to consume once the process began. There were scientists who were prepared for the end of the world upon testing of the first bomb.<br><br>At least these guys are assured nothing could possibly go wrong. I hate assurances. <br>I am assured of chaos theory. <p></p><i></i>

Yesfer good one.<br><br>Wonder who our Jap scientists are?<br><br>But re the atomic bomb. Do you really think the scientists actually involved in the building of the bomb, and the Manhatten project REALLY thought that?<br><br>They were the ones doing the stuff, and they must have known the limits of what their work was.<br><br>I had a friend who dropped out of a postgrad career in genetics to work in an organic co op. He said some amazing things, like a story he heard about that was done with the idea of engineering plants to consume more CO2 and put out more oxygen. Grasses I think. Mitigating Global Warming was the plan<br><br>Once they had worked out how to, someone did some maths and worked out that the possible consequences included the chance of a planet wide 100 degree increase in surface temperature's within 5 years. So the project was shelved.<br><br>i dunno whether that makes scientists look cautious or crazy, but if the story is true (it did inspire my friend to drop out, and he was an excellant student) its pretty wild.<br><br>BTW There are some pretty crazy looking structures in the physics world. <p></p><i></i>

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But re the atomic bomb. Do you really think the scientists actually involved in the building of the bomb, and the Manhatten project REALLY thought that?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't believe it was more than a couple scientists who theorized that the outcome could be such. There were those who were in trepidation of the test. To them, the outcome was unknown, and I guess they were projecting worse case scenarios.<br><br>I will see if I can find the info.<br><br>on edit:<br>Good ol' wikipedia.<br><<Test predictions<br>Betting pools were set up among the observers for the results of the test. Some predictions ranged from zero, a dud, to 18 kilotons of TNT (predicted by I. I. Rabi), to destruction of the state of New Mexico, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>to ignition of the atmosphere and incineration of the planet (fortunately, this result was calculated to be almost impossible beforehand, though for a while it caused some of the scientists some anxiety)</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. As it turned out, Rabi won the bet.[3]>><br><br>Well, I guess I need to down-grade my description of their states of mind from trepidation to merely "anxiety". Though world-ending incineration was a possible scenario some were leaning towards, so their anxiety may have been somewhat acute, wouldn't you think?<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_site">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_site</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=yesferatu@rigorousintuition>yesferatu</A> at: 8/4/06 10:08 pm<br></i>

It's <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://e3.uci.edu/clients/bjbecker/SpinningWeb/lecture14.html">true</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br>sortof...<br><br><br>Bethe and Teller clashed repeatedly, and Oppenheimer had to play referee. <br><br>More important, all but Teller had agreed that the project would narrow its scope toward the construction of a fission bomb. Teller decided that they should go well beyond that toward a thermonuclear device, a fusion bomb. <br><br>His constant attempts to get support for the "Super," as he called it, were seen by many, including Oppenheimer, as a distraction. He became even more of a distraction when he produced equations that showed the possibility that a fission weapon could ignite the world's atmosphere. It was later discovered his calculations were wrong—and a dozen other men made similar mistakes later—but work stopped until the flaw was found. <br><br>On July 16, 1945, the atomic bomb was tested at Trinity Site, near Alamagordo, N.M. <p></p><i></i>

IN consulting my list of really bad ideas....yes, this idea is on the list. If you have a copy of the list, it's just after "reality television" and right before malathion spraying. <p></p><i></i>

I have a better chance of blowing a new universe out of my ass. <p></p><i></i>

There was a guy at last year's TED Conference talking about this. <br><br>Sounded like a tosser to be honest. I'll see if there's a link out there. <p></p><i></i>

would we get to design life on this universe? <p></p><i></i>

That "believe" bothered me too.<br><br>I wish men would stop over-compensating for not being able to give birth... <p></p><i></i>

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