SERPO.org

[yesferatu]

I found these quotes there: <br>"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."<br><br>Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, in a lecture shortly before he died<br><br>"I printed all the information... and provided [the retired USAF Colonel] a copy... I watched his eyes and facial expressions. After he was finished, he stated, 'Oh my God, who on this Earth would release such classified material?' I then asked him if all this information was real. His simple answer was, 'Yes, all real'."<br><br>Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, currently assigned to the Pentagon (name supplied) <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.serpo.org/">www.serpo.org/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>They have another installment of "released data" on 8/21 and 8/24 <br>The "site is intended to facilitate the gradual release of confidential documents pertaining to a top secret exchange program of twelve US military personnel to Serpo, a planet of Zeta Reticuli, between the years 1965-78"<br><br>Before any of the usual suspects feel compelled to throw cold water on this for whatever "personal" reasons they have, I submit this thread in this spirit:<br>"Separating fact from fiction and looking at the fear and fun of contact with extraterrestrial visitors is part of our lives in the 21st Century, whether we like it or not."<br>Until recently, I would not have had to qualify the thread in such a manner here at RI, but there has been a rash of so-called "rationalist" cold water thrown on any subject which has unusual aspects that have been introduced here . I am not sure what these few peoples intent is at such a blog as this, but oh well....<br>Anyway, sorry for that.<br><br>Some more background on SERPO is found <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=12702">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>there has been a rash of so-called "rationalist" cold water thrown on any subject which has unusual aspects that have been introduced here . I am not sure what these few peoples intent is at such a blog as this<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>For my part I can tell you my intent is to discover (un-cover) the truth. A good healthy debate is an important part of the process, so is instinct, intuition. There has to be a balance though, take a look at how our country is being run. George Bush rules entirely by his intuition, his "gut" as he calls it. Doesn't seem to be working so well.<br><br>However I do not believe that there is only one path to truth or even one kind of truth, ie hard scientific truth. I'm not even sure that I know what that means any more. I do believe in the process and part of that has to be asking tough questions. And we should always be respectfull to one another. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Question:<br><br>What's with the 'gradual release'? I mean, if you have information that's explosive, wouldn't you want it ALL disseminated as soon as possible? <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>

[novistador]

I thought they'd stuck a fork in this one.<br><br>Not to be too much of a rationalist, but here's the short of it: known disinfo peddlers are intimately involved in the sites content(Doty is one of them, google <"Paul Bennewitz" falcon>). The content itself is just an embellishment on the more widely disseminated UFO lore, and nothing has been released which can be verified or cross-checked. Email of the 'sell us the publishing rights or die' variety gets sent to the serpo admin from above%top%secret<dot>com*, and is then forwarded to Laura Knight-Jadczyk from someone masquerading as the serpo admin, who is, in actuality, working for ATS... and the whole scene devolves into a shit-throwing contest.<br><br>Anyways, here's a link to a 'serpo' search on LKJ's blog, and another to the SOTT forum discussion where they dissect the emails. Note that Jadczyk is, I believe, the founder of the Cassiopaean movement, the folks who channel people from the future.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://search.blogger.com/?as_q=serpo&ie=UTF-8&ui=blg&bl_url=laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com&x=315&y=11">search.blogger.com/?as_q=...x=315&y=11</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=626">signs-of-the-times.org/si...php?id=626</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Now, it could be that Doty and the rest saw the light and got their contacts in the DIA to release actual information, and the intrepid debunkers of ATS are roping the Cassiopaeans into it to solidify the thesis in their forthcoming 'serpo is a hoax' book. Or maybe it's a ploy to increase the traffic at ATS and sell more "Conspiracy Master" membership accounts. Or maybe it's just another kick in the nuts to a UFO community that _really_ wants to believe.<br><br>*ATS threatens legal action against anyone who badmouths them. tossed the %'s in to fend off google <p></p><i></i>

[ivanbo2003]

In my opinion,Laura Knight-Jadczyk is more delusional than Tom Cruise and his Scientology stuff....<br>Her "channeling information" is either a proof of her schizophrenia or some sort of possesion by a dark side <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>As for that Serpo.org thingie,I think it's been debunked months ago.Hoax all over it. <p></p><i></i>

[yesferatu]

I was more interested in the dots to be connected with SERPO and other disinfo outlets, with the idea that there may be some tidbits to be gleaned out of it. <br>Not necessarily concerned with the minutiae of the "data releases", as I am with getting an overall picture of what is going on here, with an eye towards government involvement and the various loose threads of which SERPO definitely seems to be one. <br>As far as debunked, anything with such claims as this is obviously not to be taken seriously as a source for "alien messages", but rather, to watch for the names and faces that crop up within the labyrinth. <br>Yet there may be pieces of the so-called "data releases" that may prove worthy of more research.<br>I certainly do not discount zero point R&D, nor do I dismiss out of hand alien technology. <br>I do dismiss blatant disinfo campaigns like SERPO, just as long as I am not dismissive of possible clues and hints within such.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=yesferatu@rigorousintuition>yesferatu</A> at: 8/27/06 11:16 pm<br></i>

[Fat Lady Singing]

I have met and spent time with Laura K-J, her husband, and her fans/followers/whatever you want to call them. I feel rather lucky to not to have been in contact with her and her group for quite some time. They can be very vindictive and pesky when they feel they've been attacked. Defensiveness is a priority.<br><br>But she really isn't nuts--to the contrary, she's astonishingly rational, and despite (or, who knows, perhaps because of) being mostly an autodidact she's come up with some very sophisticated analyses of history, linguistics, religious texts, physics, and more. She's a definite personality.<br><br>At the time I was involved with them, one of her/her group's primary goals was to root out COINTEL operations and uncover hoaxes. They were also big into debunking competing parapolitical ideas and/or spiritual ideas that were a different flavor from theirs. She had an especially rancorous blow-out with another author with whom she had been associated...let me just say this: you don't want to get on her bad side.<br><br>What's interesting at this moment is that it just now occurred to me that she may herself have been a MC victim or even perpetrator. She liked to hypnotize people--I watched her do it as a demonstration to a group of people, even. She'd done a lot of research on it. Back in the old days, you had to read your way through about 1000 pages of what she'd written on various parapolitical, scientific, and spiritual subjects before they'd let you join their mailing list, and there was a lot in there about Greenbaum and hypnotism. Hm.<br><br>At any rate, it does not surprise me to hear of her/their involvement in this. And for the record, although they downplay it now (or at least they did the last time I visited their site about a year ago, for old times' sake), yes, at one time she claimed to channel what seemed to be beings from the future from Cassiopaeia--through the use of a Ouija board. Hundreds of pages of session transcripts used to be on their site (maybe they still are--I don't know).<br><br>Seemed like I saw somewhere that she was recently reinterpreting her "communications" as messages from her subconscious, which I actually once suggested to her, years ago. Or perhaps that's what they portray to the uninitiated (they were very much into alchemical philosophy and esoterica), but those who survive their bath of fire to become enlightened are given different information. <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Her "channeling information" is either a proof of her schizophrenia or some sort of possesion by a dark side<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is not schizophrenia, which is a real mental illness and can be subject to a proper diagnosis. Armchair diagnosis is a very dangerous game. One can be delusional without being schizophrenic. Tom Cruise would be a good example. He is deluded by his religious belief system but by no means is he schizophrenic. <p></p><i></i>

[novistador]

Sorry, I misinterpreted the tone of your post.<br><br>I spent a good chunk of time ferreting the serpo thing out back in march. When the posts stopped (about the time LKJ figured out who was impersonating the serpo admin), I was glad to see it go. It was such an entertaining plot, and such an obvious trap, I really didn't want to stick around to see the endgame.<br><br>As for what to take and what to leave, I'd personally like to see a complete UFOlogy reboot. Not that it's all bunk, but the 'top-secret' documents and anonymous govt. contacts have been pulling researchers off the same cliff for a long time. And what truth might be in these sources should be rediscovered from a path more akin to actual research, not just waiting for your spooked up sugar-daddy to hand you the goods.<br><br>Fat Lady Singing, I got the same impression of LKJ from her blog posts, rational but _out there_. I hadn't heard that she got the Cassiopaean communications from a Ouija board, all I can get of the transcripts are snips from the sott forum. Does she have any connections to other channeling sects or the remote-viewing crowd, or was this a spontaneous 'voice from the sky' like Sarfatti? <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

If anyone is curious to read a mightily interesting thread we had going on LKJ and the Casiopaeans awhile back, check this out: <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm11.showMessageRange?topicID=328.topic&start=21&stop=40">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...21&stop=40</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Fat Lady Singing]

Hi Gouda - very interesting, esp. as one who was sort of an insider. Thanks for pointing me in this direction. Say, does anyone know the address for Dream's End's blog? There's an interesting DE post alluding to an article on his/her blog, but I have no idea what the blog's name is. TIA.<br><br>Also, as for LKJ and Cassiopaeia: they're a bunch of very, very paranoid folks. I sincerely doubt they're major players of any sort, although they really really want to be. If they're getting money from Soros I'd be very surprised. Very. At least until the time I was no longer involved with them, they were pretty darn poor. I was actually in their home in Florida and noted holes in their floor through which I could see the dirt underneath (it was sort of built up off the ground, like a lot of Florida homes, without a foundation). It was a ramshackle place, comfortable but without luxury. And they were *always* asking us for money. One reason I left was because of the arm-twisting--aimed at the mailing list in general and me in particular--to "donate" on a monthly basis. So unless the Soros connection came up after I left, I'd have to say it wasn't there then, or it was extremely well hidden. [Aside: there were several mailing lists of increasingly inner circle membership; I don't think there was much arm-twisting of the outer circle mailing list for money--just those of us who were...let's just say "fans."]<br><br>I was a little alarmed at the suggestion in the thread Gouda linked to that they're funnelling names of dissidents to quasi-governmental types. Maybe...but I don't know. If that's so, it's a really, really elaborate set-up. Not saying it's impossible, but there's so much...stuff. Uh... the sheer volume of "backstory," if that's what it is, would seem to rule out a set-up.<br><br>Another thing, about LKJ and anti-Semitism: I do believe at one time she claimed to have been reincarnated from someone who died in the Holocaust. That of course doesn't obviate being anti-Semitic, but perhaps for those who are interested in the group's P.O.V. on the subject, it's an angle to consider.<br><br>In summation, I'd say that LKJ and the group of people who have accreted around her are masters at synthesis on just about any subject. They're relentless researchers, tend to be a logical bunch, and will smash to bits any argument that smacks of BS (except their own, of course). They present some good information...and some really bad information, too. And some really wacky stuff that I personally can't say one way or the other if it's good or bad or somewhere in between. They have a semi-dangerous "with us or against us" attitude, and by the time I left the group, it seemed to me they were an incipient cult (boy would they HATE to see that--cult accusations are the thorn in their side). Not necessarily of the Heaven's Gate kind--more like of the Scientology kind. <br><br>You could learn a lot from them--just keep your wits about you as you delve deeper. All that...text...can just suck you in. <p></p><i></i>