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Bush says he needs more power

Postby Inanna » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:41 am

Ok, I am just going to lose it. Someone please tell me this isn't as nightmarish as it seems to me in this moment. He is using Katrina to destroy any power the state might have in protecting citizens.<br><br>Posted on Tue, Sep. 13, 2005 <br> <br>Bush says he may need more power in disasters<br><br>He wants Congress to look into whether presidential authority should be expanded in times of catastrophes like Katrina<br><br>By STEWART M. POWELL<br><br>Hearst Newspapers<br><br><br>WASHINGTON — President Bush on Monday urged Congress to examine whether the White House needs stronger powers to deal with catastrophes like Hurricane Katrina.<br><br>Bush’s backing for the congressional inquiry raised the possibility that lawmakers might expand presidential authority to:<br><br>• Order mandatory civilian evacuations<br><br>• Dispatch U.S.-based armed forces for emergency search-and-rescue operations<br><br>• Grant wider leeway for active-duty U.S. military personnel to carry out law enforcement operations.<br><br>“It’s really important that as we take a step back and learn lessons — that we are in a position to adequately answer the question: ‘Are we prepared for major catastrophes?”’ Bush said during a tour of hurricane damage in New Orleans.<br><br>He said if there was a terrorist attack with weapons of mass destruction, such as germ-warfare agents, “we’ve got to make sure we understand the lessons learned to be able to deal with catastrophe.”<br><br>Asked whether the federal government needed broader authority to “come in earlier or even in advance of a storm that (is) threatening?” Bush replied: “I think that’s one of the interesting issues that Congress needs to take a look at.”<br><br>Bush’s comments came as outside experts urged a variety of changes they said could improve the federal government’s ability to respond to natural disasters or terrorist attacks.<br><br>Richard A. Falkenrath, a former homeland security adviser at the White House during Bush’s first term, said officials “need to look very, very closely” at expanding presidential authority to override “a delayed and ineffective evacuation order at the state and local level” that he said had occurred before the hurricane.<br><br>“It’s entirely possible we would need such authority in a biological weapons attack and the destruction of a chlorine tanker and nuclear weapons attack, where local and state capabilities would be instantaneously overwhelmed, and so it would be good to get this one sorted out,” said Falkenrath, now a scholar at the Brookings Institution.<br><br>Michael O’Hanlon, a national security scholar at Brookings, said the White House ought to create an emergency response team within the armed forces that could be rushed to disasters “where every hour counts.”<br><br>O’Hanlon said it had taken too long to get Navy and Air Force helicopters into the New Orleans area to assist early search-and-rescue operations by police and the U.S. Coast Guard.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/12629945.htm">www.thestate.com/mld/thes...629945.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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We don't fail to plan. We plan to fail.

Postby DrDebugDU » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:48 am

The president needs more power. For what?? To be three days late??<br><br>There goes Posse Comitatus (the law restricting the militar from carrying out domestic policing) <p></p><i></i>
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There goes more than that

Postby Inanna » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:52 am

This means he can come up with any pretext, declare martial law, and "evacuate" us. Oh, and then seize our property under eminent domain. Am I over-reacting? <p></p><i></i>
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No

Postby DrDebugDU » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:58 am

You are not overreacting.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/policestate.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=drdebugdu>DrDebugDU</A> at: 9/14/05 1:59 am<br></i>
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not over reacting

Postby jenz » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:01 am

one thing to ask for specific powers in time of specific emergency, for definite duration, another entirely to ask for blank cheque. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: not over reacting

Postby * » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:05 am

<br> He always asks for a blank check but more importantly(ominously), Congress has always given it to him.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Well

Postby Inanna » Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:18 am

This can only be proof, we are screwed.<br><br>This whole thing has been planned. They are always a few steps ahead though. I never would have imagined he'd say this following his statement earlier today - never.<br><br>I was over at DU and it seems he's always had these powers, according to a poster, so I wonder why he is doing this. I am not a member of DU, so I voice my comments here. <br><br>All of a sudden I am really paranoid about a Trojan virus that was discovered on my computer and the link had 911 in it. Does anyone know if they are downloading these viruses to see where we surf? I still have it and one other, as I don't know how to get rid of it. I am not tech savvy and figure since my anti virus didn't delete it, maybe it's not a big deal. <br><br>I want the blue pill at this point. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Well

Postby AnnaLivia » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:06 am

Inanna,<br><br>Sweet Angel,<br><br>We are not screwed. We have plenty of work to do, but we are not screwed.<br><br>Truth has not disappeared. Love has not disappeared. Kindness has not disappeared. Light and goodness and strength and beauty, have not disappeared. The power inherent in the good has not disappeared. Ability has not disappeared. Resolve has not disappeared. Laughter has not disappeared. Happiness has not disappeared.<br><br>We don’t just find these things; we grow them.<br><br>You are in shock right now.<br><br>That will disappear.<br><br>As we drive a car but are not our car, so we live in bodies but are not our bodies. The likes of a little fraction of a man like georgie bush may inflict suffering on others, yes (until we stop him), but the only soul he can dishonour is his own. He cannot harm the you that is the ever-living you.<br><br>All is well in the universe, Dear One, when you zoom out for the big-picture view.<br><br>Stay with us, and we will help you carry the burden of knowing, help you gather your strength and resolve…and together we will put even more love into the world. In the end, you won’t want the blue pill. It tastes like steak, but the red pill tastes like…all of the good things that never get old.<br><br>We hold each other’s heads while we go mad in here, and then we recover and get on with it.<br><br>That silly saying “life is like pizza…even when it’s bad, it’s good”<br><br>That’s true.<br><br>Why, I witnessed a miracle just this morning. The Sun rose in the East today…<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Well

Postby dbeach » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:18 am

he needs more power and so do we..power to expose his sisnister agenda...<br><br>congress is either totally part of the problem or scared to act..either way EVERY member of Congress needs to meet Fitzie and if the Grand jury says bush stole 11/00 election ..then it becomes an official Constitutional crisis..<br><br>Only Congress can declare war..so both bush wars are illegitimate <p></p><i></i>
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The Power Behind The Throne

Postby RollickHooper » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:14 pm

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Re: The Power Behind The Throne

Postby AnnaLivia » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:31 pm

let me guess. she rented a Whoopi Goldberg movie to brush up on her race relations? <p></p><i></i>
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re: Bush needs more power

Postby BlueCherub » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:08 pm

Ah, the real reason behind Bush taking "responsibility". So he can sweet talk congress into agreeing with him and handing him more power! Oh man, am I sickened by this! It just gets worse and worse and worse. How much power does he want?! <br><br>Enough to make himself King of America! <br><br>The writing is on the wall. Face it folks, we are all peons and pawns to be used and disposed of by the Bush cabal! <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush says he needs more power

Postby antiaristo » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:25 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Michael O’Hanlon, a national security scholar at Brookings, said the White House ought to create an emergency response team within the armed forces that could be rushed to disasters “where every hour counts.”<br><br>O’Hanlon said it had taken too long to get Navy and Air Force helicopters into the New Orleans area to assist early search-and-rescue operations by police and the U.S. Coast Guard.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>What about the USS Bataan? <p></p><i></i>
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Repost from DU: Posse Comitatus, Yesterdays' news...

Postby Project Willow » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:32 pm

Senator Warner (R-Va) fires first shot to revise/repeal the posse comitatus act & the insurrection act. <br>seconded by Senator Snow (R-Maine).<br><br><br><br>"POSSE COMITATUS ACT" (18 USC 1385): A Reconstruction Era criminal law proscribing use of Army (later, Air Force) to "execute the laws" except where expressly authorized by Constitution or Congress. Limit on use of military for civilian law enforcement also applies to Navy by regulation. Dec '81 additional laws were enacted (codified 10 USC 371-7<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> clarifying permissible military assistance to civilian law enforcement agencies--including the Coast Guard--especially in combating drug smuggling into the United States. Posse Comitatus clarifications emphasize supportive and technical assistance (e.g., use of facilities, vessels, aircraft, intelligence, tech aid, surveillance, etc.) while generally prohibiting direct participation of DoD personnel in law enforcement (e.g., search, seizure, and arrests). For example, Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachments (LEDETS) serve aboard Navy vessels and perform the actual boardings of interdicted suspect drug smuggling vessels and, if needed, arrest their crews). Positive results have been realized especially from Navy ship/aircraft involvement.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/comrel/factfile/Factcards/P...">www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/comrel/factfile/Factcards/P... </a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br> <br><br>The Insurrection Act <br>§ 332. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority<br><br>Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://matewan.squarespace.com/journal/2005/9/7/the-ins...">matewan.squarespace.com/journal/2005/9/7/the-ins...</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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re: Bush sez he needs more power (to 'protect' us!! OMG...)

Postby Starman » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:41 pm

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Good GAWD, it's like there's no bleedin' END to this Rabbit Hole, it just keeps gettin' kinkier and more awful and outrageously absurd and infinitely-even stupider and horrifically uglier and tragicomically insane and idiotically bizarre --<br><br>Just like 911 -- Remember, the broken-brain congress and career-incompetant Pentagon and corporate-owned White House said they needed 'more authority' to prevent a massive covert terrorist attack. It turns out, abundantly corroborated, that the 'attack' could have been foiled by simply making use of existing laws and the resources in-place and the information already available and intelligence-gathering capability already organized -- for which more than 30 billion dollars is budgetted annually -- but for a duplicious bureaucracy that put obstacles in the path of insuring National security, for the repeated interference of top CIA and FBI officials that shut-down investigations, that failed to act on intelligence, that deliberately obstructed justice, that provided cover and excuses for suspected terrorists to act without impediment, that prevented agents from putting pieces together and cooperating on investigations, that ignored results of Echelon and Carnivore communication monitoring and detailed real-time futures-market indications of suspicious activities, and that didn't heed more than a half-dozen urgent warnings by the top heads of foreign states and foreign intelligence experts about an impending hijack-airliner threat attacking key infrastructure targets -- <br><br>For chrisakes, all the tools and mechanisms and organization and assets and laws were in place and available! It wasn't a 'falure' of intelligence, it was a failure of leadership and downright criminal misfeasance and negligence!<br><br>And if THAT isn't damning enough, it's evident there was highly-organized complicity in the top levels of government, the Pentagon and the Intelligence Services -- since coincidence and circumstance is NOT enough by itself to explain how 19 Arab terrorists directed from a cave in Afghanistan could POSSIBLY have pulled off history's most daring, complicated conspiracy with nothing more sophisticated than box-cutters and stolen identities.<br><br>The President's suggestion he may need more power in emergencies has GOT to be the biggest gawdamned idiotic outrageous criminal frAUD in the last, oh, what, say 12 hours? I'd say it's almost predictable -- but it's no less shocking for the persistant arrogance of this Traitorous war-criminal Federal Mafia Kleptocracy Syndicate to bamboozle a brain-dead ignorant public by using their monstrous failures and mistakes as pretext for further abuse of authority and dismantling the Constitution.<br><br>Besides lies and fraud and abuse of power and mismanagement and theft and killing and destruction and defiling what is good and decent and honorable, one OTHER thing this Administration is good at -- I'm finding my capacity for contempt keeps expanding to keep-up with their ability to offend and outrage and disgust me.<br>So, what's 'next' on the agenda -- A constitutional crisis to suspend elections and impose indefinite martial law, as a way for the ruling-elites to forestall their EVER being held accountable for their monsterous crimes?<br>Starman<br>****<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/hiddenterror.html">www.nexusmagazine.com/art...error.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>The Hidden Face of Terrorism<br>by Paul David Collins © 2002, Nexus Magazine, Volume 10, Number 3 (April-May 2003)<br>--excerpt--<br>It is possible that the September 11 attack represents a tangible enactment of Shackley's third option. Bin Laden's ties to the intelligence community certainly reinforce such a contention. Were al-Qa'ida and bin Laden considered part of a third option to facilitate political and social change in the United States?<br><br>Consider a conversation that took place between former DEA agent Michael Levine and a CIA agent. It suggests that the CIA is ready and willing to use the third option in America. This discourse is recorded in The Triangle of Death (Levine, p. 353):<br><br>"How can you be so good at what you do and have so little understanding of what really pulls your strings? Don't you realize that there are factions in your government that want this to happen--an emergency situation too hot for a constitutional government to handle."<br><br>"To what end?" I asked. <br><br>"A suspension of the Constitution, of course. The legislation is already in place. All perfectly legal. Check it out yourself. It's called FEMA. Federal Emergency Management Agency. 'Turn in your guns, you antigovernment rabble-rousers. And who would be king, Michael?" <br><br>"CIA," I said. <br><br>Terrorism in the United States is one of the methods employed to generate the changes desired by Levine's CIA friend. It has provided a pretext for the introduction of draconian laws and measures previously unthinkable. Representative Henry Gonzalez recognised this fact when he made the following comment (Cuddy, p. 164):<br><br>The truth of the matter is that you do have those standby provisions, and the statutory emergency plans are there whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism, apprehend, invoke the military, and arrest Americans and hold them in detention camps. <br><br>Add to the list of "statutory emergency plans" the Patriot Act, passed in response to the September 11 attacks. According to Washington Post staff writer Jim McGee (pp 1-2), this law:<br><br>... empowers the government to shift the primary mission of the FBI from solving crimes to gathering domestic intelligence. In addition, the Treasury Department has been charged with building a financial intelligence-gathering system whose data can be accessed by CIA.<br><br>Most significantly, the CIA will have the authority for the first time to influence FBI surveillance operations inside the United States and to obtain evidence gathered by federal grand juries and criminal wiretaps. <br><br>The Patriot Act is designed to transform America into a surveillance society. Wiretapping has been expanded to invade the privacy of a larger portion of the populace. In the name of fighting terrorism, the prying eyes of the government can now watch those merely deemed "suspicious". Furthermore, wiretaps are no longer just a tool in criminal investigations. Under the Act, they become a means of gathering information on the citizenry. Unfortunately, the surprises do not stop there. The Act also lifts many of the constraints on the CIA's power. McGee writes (p. 4):<br><br>The new law also gives the CIA unprecedented access to the most powerful investigative weapon in the federal law enforcement's arsenal: the federal grand jury. The grand juries have nearly unlimited power to gather evidence in secret, including testimony, wiretap transcripts, phone records, business records or medical records ... <br><br>The new law permits allow the FBI to give grand jury information to the CIA without a court order, as long as the information concerns foreign intelligence or international terrorism. The information can also be shared widely throughout the national security establishment ... <br><br>All of the above points to a very frightening conclusion: there are some factions of government that consider terrorism to be a tool of social engineering. The direction society is being steered by this "tool" is even more frightening.<br><br>Terrorism: A Tool of the Ruling Elite<br>Terrorism is being used to keep the rabble in line on behalf of an elite that wishes to maintain and expand its power. In The Power Elite, sociologist C. Wright Mills introduces these powerful individuals (pp. 3-4):<br><br>The power elite is composed of men whose positions enable them to transcend the ordinary environments of ordinary men and women; they are in positions to make decisions having major consequences. Whether they do or do not make such decisions is less important than the fact that they do occupy such pivotal positions: their failure to act, their failure to make decisions, is itself an act that is often of greater consequence than the decisions they do make. For they are in command of the major hierarchies and organisations of modern society. They rule the big corporations. They run the machinery of the state and claim its prerogatives. They direct the military establishment. They occupy the strategic command posts of the social structure, in which are now centered the effective means of the power and the wealth and the celebrity which they enjoy. <br><br>Talk of oligarchs might tend to conjure pictures of mediaeval feudal lords. However, a Federal Reserve study points out to elitism being alive, well, and existing in the "Land of the Free", the United States. In his Secrets of the Temple, former Washington Post editor William Greider quotes the study (p. 39):<br><br>... 54 percent of the total net financial assets were held by the 2 percent of families with the greatest amount of such assets and 86 percent by the top 10 percent; 55 percent of the families in the sample had zero or negative net worth ... <br><br>This concentration of wealth in so few hands certainly suggests that there is a ruling class. It is highly naive to believe that this elite does not wield a great deal of influence over civilisation. In her book, Beyond The Ruling Class: Strategic Elites In Modern Society, Professor Suzanne Keller states (p. 3):<br><br>The notion of a stratum elevated above the mass of men may prompt approval, indifference, or despair, but regardless of how men feel about it, the fact remains that their lives, fortunes, and fate are and have long been dependent on what a small number of men in high places think and do. <br><br>Former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency William Colby recognised the existence of a network of bluebloods. When former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero John W. DeCamp was looking into elites' involvement in child abuse, drug running, gun running, and satanic ritual-murder, Colby warned him of the hidden aristocracy and their power (DeCamp, pp. ix-x):<br><br>"What you have to understand, John, is that sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful, with so much at stake for other people or institutions, that you cannot do anything about them, no matter how evil or wrong they are and no matter how dedicated or sincere you are or how much evidence you have. That is simply one of the hard facts of life you have to face. You have done your part. You have tried to expose the evil and wrongdoing. It has hurt you terribly. But it has not killed you up to this point. I am telling you, get out of this before it does.<br><br>"Sometimes things are just too big for us to deal with, and we have to step aside and let history take its course." <br><br>Probably the greatest source of "insider" information comes from Oxford professor (and mentor to former President Bill Clinton) the late Carroll Quigley. After being close to the pro-British, Anglophile faction of the elite, Quigley wrote (p. 950):<br><br>There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it and to many of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. <br><br>I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies (notably to its belief that England was an Atlantic rather than a European Power and must be allied, or even federated, with the United States and must remain isolated from Europe), but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known. <br><br>Quigley also informs us that the ruling class has a very low opinion of the common people. He voices this elitist sentiment when he refers to the commoners as "the petty bourgeoisie ... " (pp. 1243-1244).<br><br>So why is the great mass of human civilisation unaware of the oligarchs' presence among them? In The Architecture of Modern Political Power, Daniel Pouzzner explains why (p. 16):<br><br>The establishment cloaks itself in cultural camouflage, employing tactics for which it almost seamlessly maintains plausible deniability. Subtle, ubiquitous, often implicit propaganda fosters a broad public acceptance and embrace of the authority of the establishment, and of the establishment's definitions of good and evil, preventing the public from seriously contemplating the reality that the establishment is itself quite often evil by its own definition. The establishment reiterates the mantra that the President of the United States is "the leader of the free world", but a free world has no leader. The President of the United States is simply the most obvious spearhead of the authority of the establishment. He gathers strength at the expense of the world's freedom.<br><br>Generally, an errant public attributes the results of the establishment's meddlesome actions to happenstance, or to motives viewed as essentially innocuous or virtuous. The design is irrefutably evident only in the pattern of results, or by actually showing proof of meddling. The public has been systemically conditioned to ignore such patterns, and to condemn those who draw attention to them (derisively calling them "conspiracy theorists"). Thus, controlling access to and dissemination of information that constitutes proof of meddling suffices in large part to protect the establishment program from exposure. The compartmentalization of the establishment's covert apparatus assures that those exposures which do transpire cause only limited damage. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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