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Time to “wipe Bush off the map.”

Postby KaBoom » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:46 pm

I am looking for more information on Bush family connections to Khomeini or Iran, other than the usual Iran-Contra, October Surprise info. There has to be more juicy dirt there somewhere to dig into. We know that both François Genoud and Ahmed Huber were admirers of Khomeini and that Genoud subsidized Khomeini's prolonged exile in France when Iran was governed by the Shah. I am working under the theory that the Americans are not so much “fighting the insurgency” in Iraq as “training” a new generation of Mujahideen in the art of asymmetrical warfare to be used in future operations, i.e. against Israel.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Iranian connection

Postby nomo » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:18 pm

Can't help you with the Bush-Iran connection, but there's an interesting mention of Iranians in last Sunday's entry on Baghdad blogger Riverbend's "Baghdad Burning" blog:<br><br><br>My parents, like many Iraqis of their generation and educational background, discouraged too much tv. When E. and I were younger, they were vigilant about the type of shows and movies we were allowed to watch. They didn't like for us to be exposed to propaganda- Arab or Western- and any programs containing excessive violence, foul language or sexual content were prohibited. On the other hand, all types of books were encouraged. I grew up reading books by authors ranging from Jane Austen to John LeCarre, from Emily Bronte to Maxim Gorky to Simone de Beauvoir... nothing was ever off-limits.<br><br>Where movies and television were concerned, there were times when something would slip through their censorship- or rather, there were times when WE would slip through their censorship and watch something at a friend's house or at a relative's house, etc.<br><br>I believe everyone remembers a movie or two, seen during childhood, that remained ingrained in their memory for years. For me, there were two such events. One was a movie, the other was a recording or documentary- I can't remember which.<br><br>In my memory, neither of them have a name and neither of them have a place- I don't remember where I saw either one. The images, however, play themselves over in my head with the clarity of an original DVD being shown at the highest resolution.<br><br>The first one, I remember, was a movie about the Holocaust. It was fictional but obviously based on actual events. I saw that film sometime in the mid-eighties. The image that horrified me most was of a little girl, no more than six or seven years of age, being made to run by Nazi guards and try to scale a very high wall. She was told that if she could scale that wall, she would be free. As soon as she started running towards the wall, her little feet stumbling in the rush to cover the distance between her captors and freedom, the guards set free three large, ferocious, black dogs on her. I don't remember exactly what happened next, but I remember a symphony of terror- her screams, the barking dogs and laughing guards.<br><br>The second movie/film/actual footage had no actors- they were real people acting out atrocities. We were visiting Iraq and I was around 8 years old. I walked in on someone, somewhere, watching what I thought at first was news footage because of the picture quality. It showed what I later learned was an Iraqi POW in Iran. I watched as Iranian guards tied each arm of the helpless man to a different vehicle. I was young, but even I knew what was going to happen the next moment. I wanted to run away or close my eyes- but I couldn't move. I was rooted to the spot, almost as if I too had been chained there. A moment later, the cars began driving off in opposite directions- and the man was in agony as his arm was torn off at the socket.<br><br>I never forgot that video. Millions of Iraqis still remember it. Every time I hear the word "aseer" which is Arabic for POW, that video plays itself in my head. For weeks, I'd see it in my mind before I fell asleep at night, and wake up to it in the morning. It haunted me and I'd wonder how long it took the man to die after that atrocity- I didn't even know human arms came off that way.<br><br>The horrors of what happened to the POWs in Iran lived with us even after the war. The rumors of torture- mental and physical- came back so often and were confirmed so much, that mothers would pray their sons were dead instead of taken prisoner in Iran- especially after that video that came out in either 1984 or 1986. Every Iraqi who had a missing relative from that war, saw them in the agonized face of that POW who lost his arm. SCIRI head Abdul Aziz Al Hakim and his dead brother Mohammed Baqir Al Hakim were both well-known interrogators and torturers of Iraqi POWs in Iran.<br><br>There isn't a single Iraqi family, I believe, that didn't lose a loved one, or several, to that war. There isn't a single family that didn't have horror stories to tell about the POW that came home. They were giving back our POWs up until 2003. In our family alone, we lost four men to that war- three were confirmed dead- one Shia and two Sunnis- and the fourth, S., has been missing since 1983.<br><br>When he left for the war, S. was 24 and engaged to be married within the year- the house was even furnished and the wedding date set. He never came back. His mother, my mothers cousin, finally gave up hope that he'd come back in 2003. With every new group of POWs returning from Iran, she'd make phone calls and beg for news of her darling S. Had anyone seen him? Had anyone heard of him? Was he dead? With every fresh disappointment, we'd tell her that in spite of the long years, it was possible he was still alive- there was hope he'd come back. In 2002, she confessed to my mother that she wished someone would come along and crush the hope once and for all- confirm he was dead. In her heart, a mothers heart, she knew he was dead- but she needed the confirmation because without it, giving up hope completely would be a form of betrayal.<br><br>The agony of the long war with Iran is what makes the current situation in Iraq so difficult to bear- especially this last year. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The occupation has ceased to be American. It is American in face, and militarily, but in essence it has metamorphosed slowly but surely into an Iranian one.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>It began, of course, with Badir's Brigade and the several Iran-based political parties which followed behind the American tanks in April 2003. It continues today with a skewed referendum, and a constitution that will guarantee a southern Iraqi state modeled on the Islamic Republic of Iran.<br><br>The referendum results were so disappointing and there have been so many stories of fraud and shady dealings (especially in Mosul), that there's already talk of boycotting the December elections. This was the Puppets' shining chance to show that there is that modicum of democracy they claim the Iraqi people are enjoying under occupation- that chance was terribly botched up.<br><br>As for the December elections- Sistani has, up until now, coyly abstained from blatantly supporting any one specific political group. This will probably continue until late November / early December during which he will be persistently asked by his followers to please issue a Fatwa about the elections. Eventually, he'll give his support to one of the parties and declare a vote for said party a divine obligation. I wager he'll support the United Iraqi Alliance - like last elections.<br><br>Interestingly enough, this time around the UIA will be composed of not just SCIRI and Da'awa- but also of the Sadrists (Jaysh il Mahdi)- Muqtada's followers! For those who followed the situation in Iraq last year, many will recognize Muqtada as the ‘firebrand cleric', the ‘radical' and ‘terrorist'. Last year, there was even a warrant for Muqtada's arrest from the Ministry of Interior and supported by the Americans who repeatedly said they were either going to detain the ‘radical cleric' or kill him.<br><br>Well, today he's very much alive and involved in the ‘political process' American politicians and their puppets hail so energetically. Sadr and his followers have been responsible for activities such as terrorizing hairdressers, bombing liquor stores, and abductions of women not dressed properly, etc. because all these things are considered anti-Islamic (according to Iranian-style Islam). Read more about Sadr's militia here - who dares to say the Americans, Brits and Puppets don't have everything under control?!<br><br>Americans constantly tell me, "What do you think will happen if we pull out of Iraq- those same radicals you fear will take over." The reality is that most Iraqis don't like fundamentalists and only want stability- most Iraqis wouldn't stand for an Iran-influenced Iraq. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The American military presence is working hand in hand with Badir, etc. because only together with Iran can they suppress anti-occupation Iraqis all over the country. If and when the Americans leave, their Puppets and militias will have to pack up and return to wherever they came from because without American protection and guidance they don't stand a chance.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>We literally laugh when we hear the much subdued threats American politicians make towards Iran. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The US can no longer afford to threaten Iran because they know that should the followers of Sadr, Iranian cleric Sistani and Badir's Brigade people rise up against the Americans, they'd have to be out of Iraq within a month.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Iran can do what it wants- enrich uranium? Of course! If Tehran declared tomorrow that it was currently in negotiations for a nuclear bomb, Bush would have to don his fake pilot suit again, gush enthusiastically about the War on Terror and then threaten Syria some more.<br><br>Congratulations Americans- not only are the hardliner Iranian clerics running the show in Iran- they are also running the show in Iraq. This shift of power should have been obvious to the world when My-Loyalty-to-the-Highest-Bidder-Chalabi sold his allegiance to Iran last year. American and British sons and daughters and husbands and wives are dying so that this coming December, Iraqis can go out and vote for Iran influenced clerics to knock us back a good four hundred years.<br><br>What happened to the dream of a democratic Iraq?<br><br>Iraq has been the land of dreams for everyone except Iraqis- the Persian dream of a Shia controlled Islamic state modeled upon Iran and inclusive of the holy shrines in Najaf, the pan-Arab nationalist dream of a united Arab region with Iraq acting as its protective eastern border, the American dream of controlling the region by installing permanent bases and a Puppet government in one of its wealthiest countries, the Kurdish dream of an independent Kurdish state financed by the oil wealth in Kirkuk...<br><br>The Puppets the Americans empowered are advocates of every dream except the Iraqi one: The dream of Iraqi Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen... the dream of a united, stable, prosperous Iraq which has, over the last two years, gone up in the smoke of car bombs, military raids and a foreign occupation.<br><br>Source: Baghdad Burning<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#113122752015115028">riverbendblog.blogspot.co...2015115028</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Part of the problem is that the Muslim world...

Postby banned » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:34 pm

...isn't in exactly the same century as the Anglo-European one.<br><br>I read somewhere that there have been fewer books from European languages translated into Arabic in the last 100 years than were published last year in SPAIN alone.<br><br>I realize that many Muslims from various countries are highly educated and travel to or live for extended periods of time outside their own culture, but many more do not for economic reasons. One has to wonder how anyone can conceptualize the world we live in with so little background. This is in fact my beef with the fundamentalists in the US--so you home school a kid on creationism and whatever else passes the filter, and then you wonder why he's a narrow minded son of a bitch who wants his women barefoot and preggers, on their backs with their legs open and their mouths shut.<br><br>Truth is, the Islamic fundies and the Christian fundies have more in common than they have differences--ill educated, living in a truncated world cut down to what they want to hear. <p></p><i></i>
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Emory on Iran

Postby albion » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:39 am

You might try Dave Emory's Radio Free America #31-2:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Pt. 3.2: An Interview with Farah Mansoor (RFA 31-2)<br>(Originally broadcast 1987; 450 minutes)<br><br>This series of interviews covers the landmark research of Farah Mansoor, a member of the Iranian resistance whose historic research on the rise of the Khomeini regime documents the decisive role of the United States in developing Islamic fundamentalist forces in that country as the anti-communist successors to the Shah's government. Farah has documented that U.S. Ambassador to Iran, Richard Helms, learned that the Shah had cancer in 1974. Former Director of Central Intelligence Helms promptly informed the CIA and Department of State with the result that, by 1976, George Bush's CIA was actively supporting and grooming the Khomeini forces. The subsequent takeover of the U.S. embassy in Teheran, the withholding of the U.S. hostages until after President Carter's defeat was assured, the Khomeini government itself and the Iran-Contra scandal proper were all outgrowths of this profound and long-standing relationship. It should be noted that parts of this relationship have been misunderstood as what has become known as "the October Surprise." Although there was, massive collusion between the Reagan-Bush campaign and the Khomeini forces during the 1980 election campaign, there was no "deal" cut during the campaign. Rather, the "deal" was part of a covert operation begun years before and the collusion during the campaign was an outgrowth of it. These interviews are also part of RFA program number 38 (Part 5).<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rfasummary.blogspot.com/2004/12/rfa-29-34-iran-contragate-scandal.html">rfasummary.blogspot.com/2...andal.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>As far as I can tell, it's not online, you have to buy a tape or CD ROM. <p></p><i></i>
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Thanks !

Postby KaBoom » Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:23 am

Thank you. You guys are f**** awesome. A real diamond in the rough. I'm touched.<br><br>I was afraid I might have gone a bit overboard with the title of this thread and that it might scare people away or get deleted. <br><br>Then I found out that a reference to "wiping Bush off the map" is made on John Edwards campaign site. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.winwithedwards.com/support.html?state=CA">www.winwithedwards.com/su...l?state=CA</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Being overly emotional and paranoid is an all too easy thing to do these days.<br><br>Anyway, the best I could find so far: <br><br>How the U.S. & Iran have Cooperated to Sponsor Muslim Terror<br><br>(And this while loudly denouncing one another in public...)<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/deja.htm">emperors-clothes.com/analysis/deja.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Thanks !

Postby dbeach » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:04 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm">www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>1.Unauthorized biography of ghwbush<br><br>2. 'American Dynasty' by Kevin Phillips<br>3.'One way ticket to crawford texas' by Karl B. Schwarz <br><br>4.'Price of Loyalty"<br><br>5.'bush/cheny NWO' by Marl Crispen Miller<br><br>Many facts worth knowing<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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So then it all makes sense now-

Postby lilorphant » Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:27 am

Carter was on the progressive side (though not necessarily less dictatorial, but the Shah was interested in modernity) and everything was going swimmingly until the Khomeini regained power. The question for me is how far back does support of Islamic fundamentalism go with the Neo-thugs? There certainly was much to be gained by Islamo-fascism in Saudi Arabian oilfields, (where all 9/11 terrorist hailed) so why not "support" Khomeini, even if it was to win an election?<br><br>Perhaps Bin laden is simply the reworking of an old plan. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: So then it all makes sense now-

Postby OnoI812 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:07 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Carter was on the progressive side (though not necessarily less dictatorial, but the Shah was interested in modernity) and everything was going swimmingly until the Khomeini regained power</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br>Not quite....before the Shah full powers were restored...there was this democratically elected Prime Minister...he was trying to rework US/British oil agreements. He wanted a bigger cut of the oil revenues so he could help the Iranians. He wasn't real happy with the 95%/5% split, so the parliment nationalized the oil industry. Well talk like that gets you labeled a Commie right quick. So in 1953, for about a million $ USD the US CIA plotted a coup against the democraticly elected PM, and they installed the more amicable SHAH and kissed goodbuy to democracy they supposedly treasure so much that they are now currently spending $44BPY to US intelligence services.... to"protect". <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/politics/08budget.html">www.nytimes.com/2005/11/0...udget.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><br>Well, democracy will never show up in Iran again...and Irany of Iranies is....had they left the PM in place...that would mean no iran/iraq war...and if they had given him more of the oil proceeds , we'd likely now have a more modern and stable Iran than ever before.....<br><br>Instead we've got the underground Reich stirring the pot...and I'm yet to be convinced that it is not by design.<br><br>more from an Iranian expat professor...<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=1785.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...1785.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>and more on the PM<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Mossadegh</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 11/9/05 6:51 am<br></i>
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Re: So then it all makes sense now-

Postby Seventhsonjr » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:19 pm

I think John Loftus' "Secret War Against the Jews" has a very solid history of the Bush cabal and the Islamo-Oil-fascists going back pre WWII.<br><br>It has evolved since then and his more recent perspectives are not in synch with mine on many issues (book was written in 1994) - but the oil alliances in that area have always been important and the ties to Naziism and fascism are tight in that whole bunch. The Intel community has been a pawn of the oil/wall streeet cartels in all this and still are. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Time to “wipe Bush off the map.” (Not cool)

Postby Seventhsonjr » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:27 pm

This kind of language is, in my opinion, inflammatory and should be deleted. <p></p><i></i>
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